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Kaeto
October 3, 2011, 10:31 PM
I just made arrangements to purchase a .455 Webley for $350.00. The cylinder has been cut to accept moon clips. It comes with whats in the picture.

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waidmann
October 3, 2011, 11:17 PM
Looks like you did well in the $ department. You may wish to look at the respective operating pressures and handload .454 lead not .452 jacketed in your Webley at around 650 fps. While it was a popular conversion it may have not been the smartest. A Webley is not an S&W or Colt, both realistic candidates for this alteration (in the past before collector prices soared).

Kaeto
October 3, 2011, 11:57 PM
Can I fit .454 lead projectiles in .45 ACP brass?

OldCavSoldier
October 4, 2011, 05:40 PM
In my experience, "thin-walled" .45ACP brass, yes. But, seat slowly, with a decent bell to the brass.

Kaeto
October 4, 2011, 05:52 PM
Is it safe to use .45 acp lead rounds?

waidmann
October 4, 2011, 09:09 PM
I use 250 grain .454 lead in ACP cases with a light flair/re-size. Using any .452 in a .455 will result in some blow-by, the loss of pressure is why so many got by with it for so long.

You're asking the piece to do something it wasn't meant to. After the World Wars there were many thousands of revolvers released from service, needing homes. To make them more attractive to U.S. buyers they were converted to U.S. cartridges. In the case of Colt and Smith .455s conversion to .45 ACP or .45 Colt was not a problem since they had enginneering to spare. In the case of the Webley not so, its a stretch. After WWII a lot of S&W Victory Models in .38-200 (.38 S&W) were reamed out to accept the more powerful but smaller diameter .38 Specials. Not the optimum choice but..............

You may get away with something for years, but you will probably not get the best accurracy etc. If you must shoot factory .45 ACP lead bullets is a better choice than jacketed, but is it the correct one?

Kaeto
October 4, 2011, 10:32 PM
How much and what kind of powder?

Kaeto
October 4, 2011, 10:41 PM
On the Webley the guys grandfather brought it back from england, then used it as his sidearm when he was a cop.

Deaf Smith
October 4, 2011, 10:41 PM
Kaeto,

You might want to see if a gun parts company has a orgiional .455 cylinder. You could restore it to .455 that way.

If not, use .45 Autorim brass, Star Line Brass has them, and then any .454 lead slug made for the .45 LC. Richard Lee's "Modern Reloading" has load data for the .455 Webley.

http://www.loaddata.com/ also has .455 reloading data.

I'd keep the charges the same as they recommend due to the age of the old top break.

Deaf

Kaeto
October 5, 2011, 03:05 AM
So where can I find the .454 lead projectiles?

waidmann
October 5, 2011, 11:57 AM
.454 is the original diameter for the .45 Colt. I use 250gr. speer when I am not casting bullets.

Check published data against 4.5 grs. of Unique. I shoot that in a MarkI.

I either use AutoRim hulls or I know lead in a .45 ACP at my house =.455 class.

If you're not up to the joy fooling with dinosaurs, you got in light, turn a profit, buy something else.

Kaeto
October 5, 2011, 12:23 PM
I just checked the Speer website and they don't even offer a .454 dia. All the ones in the .45 range are .452. And I love fooling with dinos I'm a Cap and Ball shooter.

Kaeto
October 5, 2011, 12:34 PM
Will a .45 cal Lee loader handle .45 autorim?

Just ordered .455 lead slugs and .45 autorim brass from Buffalo Bullets

Deaf Smith
October 5, 2011, 07:02 PM
I just checked the Speer website and they don't even offer a .454 dia. All the ones in the .45 range are .452. And I love fooling with dinos I'm a Cap and Ball shooter.
http://www.thebulletworks.net/Default.asp but just .452

http://moyerscastbullets.com/pricelist.html

They have .454 slugs.


http://www.montanabulletworks.com/page14.html they even have .455 slugs!

Deaf

Kaeto
October 6, 2011, 12:42 AM
Went to Cabelas today and wonder of wonders they had .455 Webely ammo. It was $19.95 per box of 20.

Deaf Smith
October 7, 2011, 08:25 PM
Near where I live a pawn shop has a S&W N frame .455 with a long barrel. RCMP it was.

I'm sure in .455 it didn't kick much. But we are talking over $1000 bucakroos so no thank you. It's been there for years.

Deaf

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