[wannabeagunsmith]

Any other members out there?

[alsaqr]

Not this guy. NAGR has been in operation since about 2002. NAGR made no monetary donations to candidates until 2010. NAGR and its self serving owner Dudley Brown are a joke.

Contributions to political candidates by gun rights organizations in 2010:

1. The NRA
2. An organization many gunowners have never heard of.
Last. NAGR

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/industry.php?txt=Q13&cycle=2010

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Recently, this thread on AR15.com popped up in which a poster accused the National Association of Gun Rights of lying about the current law in order to generate money for the organization (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1269051_Scam_being_run_by_the_National_Association_for_Gun_Rights.html&page=1).

The letter went like this:

I’m in a bind.

It’s illegal for me to tell you which candidates the National Association for Gun Rights PAC supports. The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and the Federal Election Commission (FEC) expressly forbid me from telling you which candidates are so solid on gun rights that I want you to help us help them.

It sounds crazy, I know.

But the anti-gun Obamacrats who run the federal government don’t want gun owners and activists like you and me to be organized going into the 2012 election.

That’s why the IRS/FEC will only let me tell “a restricted class” of “legal members” of the National Association for Gun Rights who they should –– and shouldn’t –– support in the election.

The good news is, I’ve found a loophole around their legal gag, and frankly it’s pretty easy.

All you need to do is chip in at least $5 (or more), and take a positive pro-gun action, and you can then be counted as part of our “legal membership.”


Mr. Brown gives his response in the thread and I found it lacking in a great many respects. Since his alerts regularly get reposted to this forum and the organization has been discussed several times in the past, I thought it would be worthwhile to share the AR15.com thread so other Second Amendment supporters can form their own opinion of the organization and decide whether it warrants their support.

[alsaqr]

Yep, Dudley Brown stirred it up on that forum. Every gun rights organization out there backs candidates for political office.

IMO: Dudley Brown is a self serving shyster whos made a career of bashing the NRA. Beware of any so called "gun rights" organization that has a "donate now" on its homepage. Brown finally made a very small monetary contribution to our gun rights in 2010. It's much too small to show up on this chart:

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying.php?cycle=2010&ind=Q13

[LawScholar]

Yep, Dudley Brown stirred it up on that forum. Every gun rights organization out there backs candidates for political office.

IMO: Dudley Brown is a self serving shyster whos made a career of bashing the NRA. Beware of any so called "gun rights" organization that has a "donate now" on its homepage. Brown finally made a very small monetary contribution to our gun rights in 2010. It's much too small to show up on this chart:

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying.php?cycle=2010&ind=Q13

+1. My email address got sold and I got his email for awhile. Blatant fearmongering for cash. The NRA sometimes is guilty of that, but at least they DO something with the money.

Oh, and as someone FROM Wyoming, he severely oversells his work on Constitutional Carry here. It was never an uphill battle, and I never even heard his name until I saw him in the signing picture.

Edit:

HOLY COW. I just read that whole thread on AR-15 where, for pages, he refused to even address an outright lie in his fundraising email.

Any doubts I had about his lack of scruples are gone.

[wannabeagunsmith]

Hey, that message is the same as his email he sends me every few days....I always thought it sounded strange....

[JimPage]

Brown is either an idiot or a con man.

He seems too smart to be an idiot. :D

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Mr. Brown has acknowledged his PAC is not prevented from yelling you who they endorse.

[Don Wills]

I'm a newbie to THR. I have a somewhat different take on the issues discussed in this thread. I've never met Mr. Brown. I have no idea what his motives are. NAGR is not directly involved in Wyoming gun rights issues.

Wyoming Gun Owners Association, which has a loose association with NAGR, was the organization responsible for putting the pressure on Wyoming legislators to enact the Wyoming FFA in 2010 and the license-free concealed carry law (Constitutional carry) in 2011. GOA and the NRA were missing in action in each of those legislative battles.

Don Wills
Laramie County, Wyoming

[LawScholar]

I'm a newbie to THR. I have a somewhat different take on the issues discussed in this thread. I've never met Mr. Brown. I have no idea what his motives are. NAGR is not directly involved in Wyoming gun rights issues.

Wyoming Gun Owners Association, which has a loose association with NAGR, was the organization responsible for putting the pressure on Wyoming legislators to enact the Wyoming FFA in 2010 and the license-free concealed carry law (Constitutional carry) in 2011. GOA and the NRA were missing in action in each of those legislative battles.

Don Wills
Laramie County, Wyoming

Man it's nice when a fellow Wyomingite helps dispel that "NAGR got con-carry in Wyoming" myth.