Well Hoss Pucky, this ain't gonna work???


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Iggy
October 7, 2011, 09:49 PM
I recently picked up a purty decent 38/44 Outdoorsman.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/Outdoorsman-1.jpg?t=1317944944
I done a little scoutin' around and found out there ain't a lot of factory ammunition for this critter layin' around.

Well I been reloadin' for over 50 years so this ain't no problem.

So I gits my gear all set and runs one thru the ol RCBS single shot and I'm ready to test her out.

Don't know where I went wrong here, but I don't think this is gonna work....
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/Pistolcartridge.jpg?t=1317945105
It's a 38/44 dagnabit, why don't it fit?
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/Bign.jpg?t=1317945096

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hammerklavier
October 7, 2011, 09:52 PM
Maybe that's a 44/38.

rcmodel
October 7, 2011, 09:55 PM
Well ya done wrong when ya tied to load them in the back of the cylinder like usual.

I thought everyone knew you load 38/44's in from the front of the cylinder.

BTW: Pretty neat!! :D

rc

Jim K
October 7, 2011, 10:05 PM
I detect the sound of a chain being pulled, but FWIW, the .38-44 S&W Special for that Outdoorsman is just a heavy loaded .38 Special. Any .38 Special cartridge will work fine. The guns and cartridges were called that because it was a .38 on the .44 (N) frame.

There is some confusion because of the old .38-44 S&W Gallery round for the New Model No 3 target revolver, but don't worry about that; it hasn't been made since the 1920s.

BTW, that Outdoorsman is a nice gun; it and the other .38-44 revolver, the Heavy Duty, were used in the experiments that led to the .357 Magnum.

Jim

F-111 John
October 7, 2011, 10:07 PM
LOL! I think you need to adjust your sizing die because you're suppose to seat the bullet all the way down to the cannelure

Iggy
October 7, 2011, 10:10 PM
To make things a bit worse, that bullet is actually a 350 grain 457 caliber.:evil:

JimK,
Yup when you shoot those old ODs and HDs with rounds loaded to the original 38/44 specs, it'll make a 357 mag check it's hold cards.

daorhgih
October 7, 2011, 10:12 PM
it would definitely be a 44-32-38.

Dr.Rob
October 8, 2011, 12:28 AM
Definitely one for the cartridge collector

RNB65
October 8, 2011, 02:32 AM
I believe they call that a wildcat load! :neener:

Sam1911
October 8, 2011, 10:09 AM
Iggy, that's just awesome! :D

CajunBass
October 8, 2011, 10:22 AM
Awww shoot. If it was easy, someone other than Iggy would have come up with it. ;)

robert garner
October 8, 2011, 10:40 AM
ONE BEAUTIFUL GUN THO
robert

Old Fuff
October 8, 2011, 10:47 AM
Gee... Do I have to tell you everything!!!??

Go get the chamber throats reamed. :uhoh: :D

1911Tuner
October 8, 2011, 10:55 AM
Yup when you shoot those old ODs and HDs with rounds loaded to the original 38/44 specs, it'll make a 357 mag check it's hold cards.

True...for today's 158-grain .357 offerings. Not for the original .357 load, though. I have some of the old ammo, and it's hot with a capital OMG! I clocked it at just a tick over 1400 fps through my 4-inch 681, and it bumped 1450 in my 4.625-inch Blackhawk...about 200 fps faster on average than current loadings.

If memory serves me, the advertised velocities for the .38-44 ammunition was 1200 fps from a 6-inch barrel. Not something that you'd want to shoot a lot in a Model 10...and don't let it get within sniffin' distance of a J-Frame.

Guillermo
October 8, 2011, 10:58 AM
out-freaking-standing

Iggy
October 8, 2011, 11:06 AM
Fuff,
Yessir, *G* Actually that is a 350 grain .457 orginally destined for a 45-70 rifle.
I may be strecthin' things a mite on that old OD.

Tuner,
Yup the originals were hot. I've loaded some up from time to time and shot them in a 6" Highway Patrolman. Impressive to say the least. Purty effective out of an old Remington Rolling Block Carbine too.

1911Tuner
October 8, 2011, 11:13 AM
Iggy...I can almost duplicate the original load with 2400 and home cast 160s before I start to get sticky cases. Although I've fired a few in my K-frames, I'm very hesitant on that front. I reserve it for occasional use in the 681 and pretty much as I please in the Blackhawk when I feel like showin' the young'uns what the .357 Magnum once was.

Incidentally, the original .44 Magnum loading with the 240-grain high antimony gas-checked SWC was a wrist wringer, too. Whew!

BossHogg
October 8, 2011, 11:52 AM
Always good to start the day with a good laugh, well done Iggy. Very nice looking 38/44 also. Have fun with that thang.

Remllez
October 8, 2011, 12:21 PM
Very nice revolver Iggy, as usual....the round looks like a frigging missle!! It's certainly a conversation starter. I look forward to a range report once you work up a load that fits inside the cylinder....:)

madcratebuilder
October 9, 2011, 08:14 AM
Gee... Do I have to tell you everything!!!??

Go get the chamber throats reamed. :uhoh: :D
reamer heck, that's gonna need a boring bar.

GP100man
October 9, 2011, 10:37 AM
1 word ---- anneal first !!

Wait --that`s 2 words !!

Kinda Kool though & nice revolver !!!!!!

stevekozak
October 9, 2011, 12:28 PM
I recently picked up a purty decent 38/44 Outdoorsman.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/Outdoorsman-1.jpg?t=1317944944
I done a little scoutin' around and found out there ain't a lot of factory ammunition for this critter layin' around.

Well I been reloadin' for over 50 years so this ain't no problem.

So I gits my gear all set and runs one thru the ol RCBS single shot and I'm ready to test her out.

Don't know where I went wrong here, but I don't think this is gonna work....
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/Pistolcartridge.jpg?t=1317945105
It's a 38/44 dagnabit, why don't it fit?
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/Bign.jpg?t=1317945096
Funny stuff!!

Walkalong
October 9, 2011, 05:20 PM
That took talent.

Great pick up. :)

g.willikers
October 9, 2011, 09:54 PM
What's all the fuss about?
That looks just like the reloads for my trusty ole' .44.
Geeze, have you guys seen the prices for .44 brass?
Iggy, you're just trying to install that round in the wrong gun, is all.

Iggy
October 9, 2011, 10:16 PM
Ya s'pose that 38 case will fire form to 44?:what::evil:

g.willikers
October 10, 2011, 10:52 AM
Heck yeah, that's what's called a Balloon Head.

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