[Michael R.]

hello,
i have a question on how effective the 22 magnum would be for coyotes. i am looking to get a savage model 93g and using it against these nuisances. most of my shots would be within 75 yards. also, what loads do you prefer? i have heard the cci game point is pretty good.

[Frozen North]

Some will tell you you need a .223, but inside 75 yards, a .22WMR works fine for me.

I use the Federal 50gr HP ammo. It hits pretty dang hard for a rim fire.

As with any rifle in any hunting situation, shot placement is critical for a clean kill.

[Onmilo]

My buddy still kills them out to 100 yards with an old Erma lever action .22 magnum rifle.
He isn't all that particular about brand name of ammo he uses either.
As long as it is "40 grain hollopoint" he uses it.:)

[DoubleMag]

wouldn't hesitate with any 22mag ammo out to 100yards. provided you do practice:)

[Michael R.]

thanks guys, so it all about practice and shot placement.

[CraigC]

Both the .17 and .22 rimfire magnums work well on coyotes out to 100yds.

[PapaG]

Not a big fan of the 17HMR for coyotes. 22 Mag works fairly well. 223/222 better yet. Not many 40 grain 22lr hps around but the CCI Velocitor at 1435fps is great. FAr as I'm concerned, a dead 'yote is a good 'yote, at least around my farm. The deer "highways" have become "dog" highways. I hope I don't break a leg in the back 40 cause the dogs will get to me before my kids do.

[JohnM]

Boy, you guys must have some dumb coyotes. :D
No self respecting coyote in this country will show himself in the open under 300 yards and usually way further out.

[snakeman]

Im with john. Thats exactly how they are here.

[jimmyraythomason]

No self respecting coyote in this country will show himself in the open under 300 yards and usually way further out. While I don't doubt this to be true in your neck of the woods,most of our coyotes are taken at less than 50 yards,mostly while we're deer hunting(at least that is true for me and those who hunt with me). Many are taken with 12 ga. buckshot. The trick isn't getting them that close,it's being able to get a shot off BEFORE they make it into the next county after you realize they are there.

[JFrame]

If you go to rimfirecentral.com and do a search on "coyote" and ".22 magnum," you will see a lot of discussion there also.

The vast majority of respondents seem to feel that the .22 WMR is quite adequate, provided the shooter knows the limitations of the round vis-a-vis distance, and has the skill to place his shots with reasonable accuracy.


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[22-rimfire]

I suspect that the OP is talking about "shots of opportunity". You're fine to 125 yds or so.

[Bobson]

Boy, you guys must have some dumb coyotes. :D
No self respecting coyote in this country will show himself in the open under 300 yards and usually way further out.
Guess they must be pretty dumb then. I work security at a small "satellite" campus of a community college. We have a 3-5 acre plot of desert land to the south of the campus that we have to walk regularly on the lookout for brush fires.

I was out there the other day, and a yote ran past me at 20 yards or so. I go through some brush, cut across a small ravine, and back up, and there's the same yote trotting along his same path, and a second one about 30 yards away. I'm standing there watchin em for a minute or so, and turn around, and there's a third yote in the brush not 10 feet away, staring off at nothing. I reach for my phone to snap a pic of him, he turns and sees me, and sprints away. :rolleyes:

Works for me though. I'm gonna try my hand at bowhunting them, starting this evening actually.

[1911Tuner]

I guess I'm the odd man out. I don't feel that the .22 Magnum is adequate for Coyote unless I'm sure of a head shot...mainly because I want to do all that I can to kill quick. I don't want to cause suffering...even with a sick, mangy 'Yote. Too much opportunity to cripple and have him run off to die slowly.

If the distances are within 150 yards, the nearly forgotten and vastly underrated .22 Hornet or Khornet is just about perfect for dispatching the Little Wolf. Much beyond that, and we're into .223 territory, and I won't take a shot if it's more than 300 yards...and only at that distance if the wind is light.

Just my 2% of a buck.

[Michael R.]

the reason im asking this is because coyotes come through our backyard a lot during winter and we have neighbors so i dont want to be shooting a 223 and getting calls from our neighbors.

[1911Tuner]

At close ranges...out to 50 yards...the .22 Magnum will work fine.

[Justin Holder]

I've killed them out to 106 yards with 40gr. jhps. Under 75 yards is perfect.

[HGUNHNTR]

I've used the 22 mag on coyotes and I would not recommend it. I have too much respect for those resilient little canines to blast away at them with a rimfire. Use a 22 hornet at minimum.

[DM~]

I have NO problem with shooting coyotes out to 100 yards with my 22WMR. I use 40 grain HP's, and a lung shot does the trick.

DM

[jimmyraythomason]

I've used the 22 mag on coyotes and I would not recommend it.Why not?I have too much respect for those resilient little canines to blast away at them with a rimfire.A view I do not share. These are ruthless killers of wild game and young livestock,raiders of wild turkey nests(along with raccoons and 'possums the leader predators of wild turkeys). Anything that is legal that makes them dead is GTG and a .22 mag does that very well.

[Vern Humphrey]

I use the .22 Hornet for coyotes, and with a max load of Hodgdon's L'il Gun behind a 35-grain Hornady V-max it will take them out to 200 yards. I have a very accurate .22 Mag (a Ruger 77/22M) but I do not like if for coyotes.

[castingdonkey]

I agree with post #20 Jimmy is right on I have had to watch yotes ripping fawns apart and eating them alive. If you hit the yote in the gut and it takes a while for him to die way over yonder all the better you don't have to mess with the carcass.

[Vern Humphrey]

I agree with post #20 Jimmy is right on I have had to watch yotes ripping fawns apart and eating them alive. If you hit the yote in the gut and it takes a while for him to die way over yonder all the better you don't have to mess with the carcass.
Welcome to the SPCA -- the Self-Propelled Carcass Association.;)

Deer-killing dogs can benefit from the same treatment.

[jimmyraythomason]

Deer-killing dogs can benefit from the same treatment. Agree! The only problem with that for me is that here in Alabama the Beautiful it is a felony to shoot/kill a dog. For these feral game (and pet)killers the 3S rule applies. Oh,and a .22 magnum works on them too! Not that I would know since it is illegal to shoot a dog here ;)))))

[castingdonkey]

SPCA Love it! ROFL.

[Vern Humphrey]

The only problem with that for me is that here in Alabama the Beautiful it is a felony to shoot/kill a dog.
In Arkansas, the law is ambiguous -- you aren't supposed to shoot dogs (a felony) but you have the right to shoot any animal that is "depredating or about to depredate" on your land.

For these feral game (and pet)killers the 3S rule applies.
Yep -- no call to be talking about it, just do it and cover it up.

[CSA 357]

the 22mag with proper ammo is a coyotes worst night mare!

[HGUNHNTR]

view I do not share. These are ruthless killers of wild game and young livestock,raiders of wild turkey nests(along with raccoons and 'possums the leader predators of wild turkeys). Anything that is legal that makes them dead is GTG and a .22 mag does that very well.
Ruthless Killers? You've been watching too many Disney movies. They are a vital part of a healthy ecosystem, they just so happen to be competition for game you want to kill. Sounds like you need to become a better hunter. Just kill all of the predators off so we can have an abundance of prey animals so amateur hunters with no respect for nature can blast away. Great plan. Our ecosystem is about balance, not setting up an outdoor channel experience for everyone that steps intot he woods.

[castingdonkey]

No don't kill all the coyotes, but dang near all keep the suckers on the brink of the endangered list. Just maybe after a few years of that I can get one single deer tag per year instead of waiting 3 years in between tags. Lion's, bobcats, coyotes, bears, just keep popping them with rounds and if the population of deer goes up well issue more tags. After all we are hunters right. I believe in being a good steward but my definition falls different than others. I believe that we can help the deer populations out and cattle. That will put lots more hoofed food around for us too in case we ever really need it . rabbits, quail, pheasant, chukar, turkeys, elk, deer, goats, sheep, antelope. All of the populations have deminished in Colorado. Some blame oil and gas production,global warming, other human pressures. This coinsides with teh government tightening the restictions on predator hunting. Coyotes are all over the highways run over and there are a lot more does running around without fawns. SO to stay on subject shoot a coyote at 70 yards with a 22 mag and send us some pics of the damage cause it's gonna be awesome what that round can do.

[jimmyraythomason]

Ruthless Killers? You've been watching too many Disney movies. They are a vital part of a healthy ecosystem, they just so happen to be competition for game you want to kill. Sounds like you need to become a better hunter. Just kill all of the predators off so we can have an abundance of prey animals so amateur hunters with no respect for nature can blast away. Great plan. Our ecosystem is about balance, not setting up an outdoor channel experience for everyone that steps intot he woods.
Where did THAT come from? Since the introduction of coyotes in my state a couple of decades ago there is been an explosion of their numbers. They have killed family pets,calves and their mothers during birth as well as contributing greatly to the reduction of bobwhite quail numbers. It's a good thing they don't root like hogs or they would be even more destructive.I don't watch Disney (because of "Bambi") but it seems anyone who did would defend what qualifies as vermin here rather than revile them.

[DT Guy]

I agree coyotes are bad mojo, especially in numbers and near habitation, and hunting them is good policy. But the whole 'ok to let them suffer because they're evil' thing is just odd; they're ANIMALS, and doing what they do. Attributing evil intent to an animal killing and eating is an odd perspective for a human hunter.....


Larry

[castingdonkey]

I don't think anyone recommended gut shooting coyotes, just saying that if it was to happen then I wouldn't lose sleep over it like it was a game animal. For instance having a 22short in hand when one comes along and gettting crumby shot on a coyote is better than no shot at all. Go watch a coyote take down a fawn and tell me what is cruel and what isn't.

[Mike1234567]

^^^ Yes, someone did recommend gut-shooting coyotes so they run off and die slowly. But this isn't the first thread in which I've seen such cruel nonsense directed at coyotes.

[HGUNHNTR]

So taking a risky shot on an animal is ok because the way in which they take game seems cruel to you? They are animals, they can't use firearms to make a quick kill. Not losing sleep about maiming an animal is sinking below animal level yourself. By your same logic, we should pay no mind if we saw a pack of coyotes taking down a human, afterall, humans are willing to take questionable shots at coyotes. Rediculous.

Game animal, varmint, whatever label you want to put on them, as sportsmen and women we should treat all animals with respect.

[castingdonkey]

I agree with post #20 Jimmy is right on I have had to watch yotes ripping fawns apart and eating them alive. If you hit the yote in the gut and it takes a while for him to die way over yonder all the better you don't have to mess with the carcass.

Thats what I said "IF" I guess I could have been more specific. But either way I don't have sympathy for coyote's. I definitely will not be tracking one all over to make sure I got a good shot if it runs off. They are regular merciless killer of the game I hunt and could care less about the method that anyone uses for their removal from a hunting area or residential. Pellet guns are fine by me and legal in some state's.

[HGUNHNTR]

^you really don't understand nature.

On the same line of thinking we should eradicate
all predatory animals to increase your chances for success in the woods.

agree with post #20 Jimmy is right on I have had to watch yotes ripping fawns apart and eating them alive. IF you find this behavior (which is totally natural to coyotes), so objectionable, why are you promoting the same behavior? Your post is pure hypocrisy.

[castingdonkey]

We are all animals. That seems pretty clear to me that we are just more advanced.

Some people don't spend enough time in the hills to see that nature has no mercy. Coyote's don't take the time to kill their prey, just hurt it enough to start eating. This doesn't make me mad at the coyote it just opens my eyes to some reality. I owe no more to the coyote than it does to a deer. Unless of course it has a nice winter hide that I can make some change from.

[HGUNHNTR]

We are all animals. That seems pretty clear to me that we are just more advanced.


I owe no more to the coyote than it does to a deer Again 100% hypocrisy.

[castingdonkey]

Call me what you will I wouldn't give a coyote quarter if all I had was a wrist rocket.

[HGUNHNTR]

Good for you

[castingdonkey]

I am getting way too much entertainment out of your misery, and I also need to go shoot some coyotes on my day off. After that I think I'll club my wife and drag her back in the cave for some quality time. Have fun hugging bunnies and watching bambi. Don't forget some granola and yogurt for lunch. Maybe some humus too.

[Mike1234567]

original post deleted...

Sorry, HG. I misunderstood what you were saying. I'm with you 100 percent.

[HGUNHNTR]

I sure will, and I am definintely not miserable. Keyboard commandos like yourself are all talk. Doubtful you've seena coyote int he wild. I do love hummus, and granola. Pass on the yogurt, it gives me gas.

This is a great illustration of how sportsmen maintain their image in mainstream society. Thanks for perpetuating that negative stereotype. Hunters across the country are worse off for you opening your mouth.

I'm agreeing with you Mike. Intentionally risky shots, gut shots, all bad in my book. Intentionally injuring an animal is sub-animal behavior. Animals kill and consume by any means necessary, they are animals afterall. Humans have the ability to rationalize and hopefully make better choices, although after reading some of these posts, I doubt.

[jimmyraythomason]

Pass on the yogurt, it gives me gas.
I have to agree with you there!

[Mike1234567]

To those of us who think gut-shooting a coyote because of their nature is a good thing...

We're not saying they shouldn't be dispatched. We're saying cruelty (intentional gut-shots) is just plain wrong. The ceaseless hunting to near extinction is selfish especially if it's just for our convenience. There's nothing sporting about any of this type of behavior.

[castingdonkey]

Hunting a coyotes is not a sport for me it is a management tool. I didn't say near extinction I said near endangered different definitions. I see coyotes on a weekly basis I work in the rockie mountains way in the back country. They are over abundant and it would be nice to have them be a treat to see.

[Mike1234567]

castingdonkey... Okay, you wrote "endangerment", not "extinction". My bad but isn't that splitting hairs? Also, you wrote that gut-shooting them is all the better so you don't have to deal with the carcass when they run off to die. That is unnecessarily cruel and humans are supposed to be better than this. Lastly, why is it you despise them so much but write that hunting them to near endangerment will limit their numbers such that it will be a treat to see one. Must something be so rare before you can put up with its natural behavior? I don't like to see animals killed either but I didn't create their predators to be the way they are. You'll have to take your argument up with someone with more authority than me.

[1911Tuner]

Yes, someone did recommend gut-shooting coyotes so they run off and die slowly. But this isn't the first thread in which I've seen such cruel nonsense directed at coyotes.

Absolutely. Coyotes proliferate and eventually become a nuisance...and often a dangerous one. I have no issues with thinning them out or keeping them moving by killing a few that are coming too close for comfort...but to deliberately cause prolonged suffering because they're simply being what they are is wrong. It's more than wrong. It's beneath contempt.

[TexasPatriot.308]

.17hmr and .22-250, two of my favorites and most effective.

[shiftyer1]

I have alot of coyote's around here, the dog keeps most away I guess. Every now and then one comes in to close for my goats or chickens. I've used a .22lr if that was what I had and a shot behind the ear worked pretty good. A .22 mag works also, i'm not one to just take any shot but I will say I have made a bad shot before and the other coyotes take care of the bad shot and leave your stock alone. I keep a .357 lever gun handy so thats whats used most.

I enjoy listening to them sing at nite so I really can't jump on the eradication bandwagon, if they are that big of a problem get a couple good dogs, I have a black lab that does well but pyrenees are GREAT for this purpose!!!! Donkeys are also very good livestock guards! If they come in to close I shoot them if I can.....thats a seldom occurance, I always figured something was wrong with the ones that came in so close.

If you take the appropriate measures stock losses are very minimal!!!! I don't love em' and I don't hate em', But i'd sure miss their songs!!!!

[DM~]

Ruthless Killers? You've been watching too many Disney movies. They are a vital part of a healthy ecosystem, they just so happen to be competition for game you want to kill. Sounds like you need to become a better hunter. Just kill all of the predators off so we can have an abundance of prey animals so amateur hunters with no respect for nature can blast away. Great plan. Our ecosystem is about balance, not setting up an outdoor channel experience for everyone that steps intot he woods.

I've spent many years in the bush, around coyotes and wolves. If YOU really believe what you wrote, you REALLY DO need to spend more time out in nature, AND i mean out in the bush, not for a walk on some cutsey trail with a bunch of other citiots.

Living in the bush opens ones eyes to things that "others" just don't experience and most times they just don't get it! Obviously, you just don't get it!

DM

[HGUNHNTR]

^ Well by all means, please explain this to me. By the way, I grew up on a farm in rural Nebraska and spent nearly every waking hour I wasn't in school, in the woods. I know nature, and respect how it works. I also understand that humans, more often than not, disrupt the balance to swing the population in favor of prey animals, then demonize the increase in predation that they themselves caused. THat is pretty much what is happening in this thread, plus add a dash of unethically gut shooting "ruthless" predators that have the audacity to kill game and eat it.

[Mike1234567]

HGUNHNTER... There's really no use trying to debate this intelligently.

"Ignorance" can be educated.

"Willful ignorance" lasts forever.

[HGUNHNTR]

^Agreed. What it boils down to is justification for one's actions. If there is no logical reason, invent one.....willlful ignorance, you found it.

[DT Guy]

I just don't understand the 'coyotes are evil, so the rules of sport don't apply to them' thing.

Hell, a friend and I once had to clear out about 100 mice that had infested a friend's summer cabin and nested everywhere-we killed them with airguns, and STILL made sure we dispatched them humanely. Them being a mouse-or a coyote-doesn't stop ME being a human, and a hunter.

Larry

[DM~]

^ Well by all means, please explain this to me. By the way, I grew up on a farm in rural Nebraska and spent nearly every waking hour I wasn't in school, in the woods. I know nature, and respect how it works. I also understand that humans, more often than not, disrupt the balance to swing the population in favor of prey animals, then demonize the increase in predation that they themselves caused. THat is pretty much what is happening in this thread, plus add a dash of unethically gut shooting "ruthless" predators that have the audacity to kill game and eat it.

I grew up on a farm too, a cow pasture isn't the bush!

I ALSO spent 25 years "living" in the Alaskan bush, and saw for myself how nature works out in the bush.... AND how coyotes, wolves and other animals work in nature... I don't think you can lecture or teach me anything on THAT subject, even though you may "try"...

DM

[Mike1234567]

I grew up on a farm too, a cow pasture isn't the bush!

I ALSO spent 25 years "living" in the Alaskan bush, and saw for myself how nature works out in the bush.... AND how coyotes, wolves and other animals work in nature... I don't think you can lecture or teach me anything on THAT subject, even though you may "try"...

DM
Thank you, Mr. Knowitall. :)

[castingdonkey]

Barf....there is some almighty stench around these parts. I think it's some of the bunnie huggin wimps that hang on this site. Some of the people on here remind me of the dirty rats that hang out in Washington D.C..


My mice die in a trap or get poisoned but hell that can't be humane poison for rats and mice what a terrible thing.

Yah know yesterday I saw an ant on the side walk and thought you know someone might step on him. So I took the time to fence the area off to make sure that one of Gods creatures didn't get hurt. God forbid someone stepped on an ant and left it paralyzed. Then it would have to sit and wait for another good stomp to put him out.

[788Ham]

I live just between 2 fair sized cities, was originally farm country, still being farmed as I write this. The 'yotes out here are seriously taking over! The 2 cities have laws about "keeping the rural part of country in place", that means you'd best not think about shooting a 'yote if your kids or animals are attacked or bitten! Each municipality has parks, trails, open space, and again, the farmland, yet they will not allow Game and Fish to come in and remove the problems, why? "Because we need to live in harmony, share our great city with everyone/everything." Heifer Dust! There have been 3 incidents this year of the 'yotes biting children, killing dogs, nothing has been done to help the residents of these cities.The G&F said they've tried trapping, but have been unlucky. You can't set the traps in the middle of a shopping mall and expect to eradicate them! Castingdonkey, I don't condone gut shooting and letting them run off, but more stringent methods need be applied here!

[TexasPatriot.308]

I kill em with my 17hmr at 100 yards or more all the time, hogs too, if you ever get a chance to take one with the .17, cut him open and look at the internal damage, pretty massive for a 20 grain hunting tip. I use it all the time but my favorite is still the .22-250.

[Steel Talon]

Ruthless Killers? You've been watching too many Disney movies. They are a vital part of a healthy ecosystem, they just so happen to be competition for game you want to kill. Sounds like you need to become a better hunter. Just kill all of the predators off so we can have an abundance of prey animals so amateur hunters with no respect for nature can blast away. Great plan. Our ecosystem is about balance, not setting up an outdoor channel experience for everyone that steps intot he woods.

:scrutiny:
Wow simply wow....

[Mike1234567]

I don't recall reading any posts in this thread in which anyone stated that overpopulated or property-damaging or aggressive coyotes shouldn't be humanely dispatched. Why are we arguing that point??

RE: Rat killing; As stated earlier, we mostly use snap traps, which "usually" snap the neck (quick humane kill) or poison (horrible agonizing death). The problem with those little rodents is there are few "effective" ways to kill them so we do the best we can. If there were more humane effective/affordable methods to kill rats then most of us would use them. At least I hope we would.

For those of us who still believe in God; Are you punishing coyotes for the way God made them? Are you judging God's creatures?

For those of us who still believe in Karma; Will it be your turn next time? Will you be given the same mercy you've given other creatures?

[Sam1911]

Nope. Not getting into religion. That's a site rule.

Not too much point in continuing to argue and insult each other over who's opinions of the circle of life, man's inhumanity to animals, or the cruelty and evilness of predators doing what they're built to do are most correct.

The developing contention over who's Backwoods Bear Big Bushy Beard is biggest looked to be interesting, but ... naaah.

Done.