Boston U. organizes fight against gun "epidemic"


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Bill Hook
January 28, 2004, 02:29 AM
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dinosaur
January 28, 2004, 04:57 AM
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Jonesy9
January 28, 2004, 08:54 AM
" Pocket Rockets: The Gun Industry's Sale of Increased Killing Power


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This 25-page study details how the gun industry has increased the lethality of its products by producing larger caliber, higher capacity and more readily concealable handguns in order to boost sales in a stagnant market. Reports by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) and others show that handguns move relatively quickly from the legal trade in firearms into the hands of criminals and youths. Predictably, crime gun tracing data show that as manufacturers have heavily marketed pocket rockets, these tiny but deadly pistols are moving into criminal use at a dramatically increasing rate. "



what a fine peice of investigative research this must be LOL! yup, them pocket guns and larger caliber guns be brand new! ;)

benEzra
January 28, 2004, 09:09 AM
That sounds like it's straight from the VPC hash. Is it? (I thought the VPC's Sugarmann was the one that coined the idiotic term "pocket rockets" in hopes of coming up with another evil-sounding label for sound bites.) IIRC, the VPC's list of these "new and dangerous" firearms includes the 3913, which has been around for, what, 20 years?

It's actually a little amusing that the hoplophobes are getting so riled up about compacts, since THEY were the ones that started the trend--by banning magazines over 10 rounds, they killed one of the primary incentives for making the handgun larger, i.e. to accomodate a full-cap magazine. If you are limited to 10 rounds anyway, you might as well have a Glock 26 instead of a Glock 17.

ReadyontheRight
January 28, 2004, 09:43 AM
:uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh: :barf:

Know thine enemy:

One of the links from the above site

http://www.vpc.org/studies/hoseone.htm

Bullet Hoses
Semiautomatic Assault Weapons—What Are They? What's So Bad About Them?
Ten Key Points about What Assault Weapons Are and Why They Are So Deadly
This study documents the following 10 important key points.

1. Semiautomatic assault weapons (like AK and AR-15 assault rifles and UZI and MAC assault pistols) are civilian versions of military assault weapons. There are virtually no significant differences between them.

2. Military assault weapons are "machine guns." That is, they are capable of fully automatic fire. A machine gun will continue to fire as long as the trigger is held down until the ammunition magazine is empty.

3. Civilian assault weapons are not machine guns. They are semiautomatic weapons. (Since 1986 federal law has banned the sale to civilians of new machine guns.) The trigger of a semiautomatic weapon must be pulled separately for each round fired. It is a mistake to call civilian assault weapons "automatic weapons" or "machine guns."

4. However, this is a distinction without a difference in terms of killing power. Civilian semiautomatic assault weapons incorporate all of the functional design features that make assault weapons so deadly. They are arguably more deadly than military versions, because most experts agree that semiautomatic fire is more accurate—and thus more lethal—than automatic fire.

5. The distinctive "look" of assault weapons is not cosmetic. It is the visual result of specific functional design decisions. Military assault weapons were designed and developed for a specific military purpose—laying down a high volume of fire over a wide killing zone, also known as "hosing down" an area.

6. Civilian assault weapons keep the specific functional design features that make this deadly spray-firing easy. These functional features also distinguish assault weapons from traditional sporting guns.

7. The most significant assault weapon functional design features are: (1) ability to accept a high-capacity ammunition magazine, (2) a rear pistol or thumb-hole grip, and, (3) a forward grip or barrel shroud. Taken together, these are the design features that make possible the deadly and indiscriminate "spray-firing" for which assault weapons are designed. None of them are features of true hunting or sporting guns.

8. "Spray-firing" from the hip, a widely recognized technique for the use of assault weapons in certain combat situations, has no place in civil society. Although assault weapon advocates claim that "spray-firing" and shooting from the hip with such weapons is never done, numerous sources (including photographs and diagrams) show how the functional design features of assault weapons are used specifically for this purpose.

9. Unfortunately, most of the design features listed in the 1994 federal ban—such as bayonet mounts, grenade launchers, silencers, and flash suppressors—have nothing to do with why assault weapons are so deadly. As a result, the gun industry has easily evaded the ban by simply tinkering with these "bells and whistles" while keeping the functional design features listed above.

10. Although the gun lobby today argues that there is no such thing as civilian assault weapons, the gun industry, the National Rifle Association, gun magazines, and others in the gun lobby enthusiastically described these civilian versions as "assault rifles," "assault pistols," "assault-type," and "military assault" weapons to boost civilian assault-weapon sales throughout the 1980s. The industry and its allies only began to use the semantic argument that a "true" assault weapon is a machine gun after civilian assault weapons turned up in inordinate numbers in the hands of drug traffickers, criminal gangs, mass murderers, and other dangerous criminals.

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So -- watch out for proposed bans on the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil "barrel shroud"/stock forend on your 1903 Springfield or Garand.:scrutiny:

The camel is getting comfortable in the tent and he's turing up the heat on the boiling frog. We need to fight this with individual education and Oleg's fine posters.

geekWithA.45
January 28, 2004, 09:55 AM
Know thine enemy:

The problem is, every time I try to do that, I end up having to take a long shower to cleanse my body, and spend many hours in prayer, fasting and meditation to cleanse my soul.

:neener:

DonP
January 28, 2004, 10:07 AM
On the same page where they decry "pocket rockets" they have an article refenced by Tom Diaz about the new evil S&W .50 magnum that "boggles his mind". My guess is with Tommy Boy, that don't take much.

Try and at least coordinate your phoney baloney stories you weasels, are big guns bad or are little guns bad this week?

Otherwise some of us might get the idea that the real truth is that you think all guns are evil and only belong in the hands of your personal bodyguards and with other elite types.

These people are really sucking air lately. With CCW being passed in more states and overall crime down and a Presidential campaign year, I'm guessing their funding base is pretty dried up.

Are they funded by membership only or by some trust donations? Does anybody know?

I'm just wondering if there is a way to choke the financial life out of the group a little faster.

DonP
January 28, 2004, 10:36 AM
On the same page where they decry "pocket rockets" they have an article refenced by Tom Diaz about the new evil S&W .50 magnum that "boggles his mind". My guess is with Tommy Boy, that don't take much.

Try and at least coordinate your phoney baloney stories you weasels, are big guns bad or are little guns bad this week?

Otherwise some of us might get the idea that the real truth is that you think all guns are evil and only belong in the hands of your personal bodyguards and with other elite types.

These people are really sucking air lately. With CCW being passed in more states and overall crime down and a Presidential campaign year, I'm guessing their funding base is pretty dried up.

Are they funded by membership only or by some trust donations? Does anybody know?

I'm just wondering if there is a way to choke the financial life out of the group a little faster.

benEzra
January 28, 2004, 01:10 PM
I think VPC gets a lot of $$$ from the Joyce Foundation, IIRC (and lots of in-kind donations from the media, in the form of free advertising, of course).

4v50 Gary
January 28, 2004, 03:11 PM
Someone here should go apply for a job with them. Long breaks, longer lunches and very little productivity. Social welfare them :) and use the income to buy guns of course!

Standing Wolf
January 28, 2004, 03:27 PM
However, this is a distinction without a difference in terms of killing power.

Okay. Fine. Let's make fully automatic firearms fully legal.

Langenator
January 28, 2004, 04:52 PM
The only thing I agree with about calling guns an epidemic...

...they're damn sure contagious!!!! :neener:

Jake
January 28, 2004, 05:02 PM
"pocket rocket" a name for a small gun? That's a new one on me. All the times that I have heard that term it has referred to a sex toy. And I didn't know those had any "killing power".

Langenator
January 28, 2004, 05:11 PM
I've heard the term "pocket rocket" applied to factory souped up compact cars. The original VW Rabbit GTI was an example. Those have some killing power-especially when driven by idiot teenage boys.

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