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WAhunter
October 8, 2011, 11:54 PM
I have a PT 24/7 in 9mm and love it but i have heard a lot bad mouthing about taurus so what are your opinions on taurus.

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Fleet
October 9, 2011, 12:06 AM
I've had one great and one so-so. The great is my PT-1911, the so-so was a Millenium 9mm. Had a horrible trigger.

JEB
October 9, 2011, 01:02 AM
all of the taurus handguns i have shot i would say were great. no problems with perfectly satisfactory accuracy. i voted "ok" though because, although i have never had a problem, i have heard enough reports of spotty quality and poor customer service that i would be a little hesitant to buy one.

QUICK_DRAW_McGRAW
October 9, 2011, 01:38 AM
my pt1911 has been perfect until i decided to have a trigger job done with a STI trigger and wilson combat skeleton hammer. now its perfection and pretty

exavid
October 9, 2011, 01:41 AM
Within the past year I purchased three new Taurus pistols, a TCP .380, a 740 Slim .40S&W and a 24/7 PRO .45 DS. All three were very good shooting, good triggers, accurate, easy to strip and clean, all three had good ergonomics and easily handled recoil. So far so good.

My TCP had a kaboom. The slide separated at the ejection port into two pieces. The portion ahead of the port flew off forward and the rear part hit a friend whom I'd let fire the pistol in the jaw cracking a tooth. The pistol had fired approximately 400 rounds of Wally World white box Winchester ammo. Examination of the shell that was fired in the accident didn't show anything abnormal. I sent it to Taurus and eventually accepted a 740 Slim in it's place because I didn't feel comfortable with the 740 though I really feel it was a fluke and not likely to happen to another TCP.

The 740 Slim is an excellent pistol, compact, very good sights, good trigger and very accurate. Recoil in such a compact handgun is very reasonable. I shot approximately 500 rounds through this pistol then had a problem with the recoil spring assembly. There's a little flange on the end of the thicker part of the rod that partially broke off allowing the end of the recoil spring to jump over the end of the middle of the assembly not allowing the pistol to be racked fully back. A new recoil spring from Taurus was received promptly after contacting the company and the 740 is back in action.

The 24/7 .45 at first seemed like a very good gun, recoil was light, accuracy was good and the ergonomics very good. The magazine held 12rds which was another bonus. Unfortunately after about 150 rounds fired through the pistol the rounds in the magazine tended to take a nose dive and jam nose downward instead of feeding into the breech. The load ramp had been factory polished to a mirror finish but there was a mismatch between the frame just under the lower end of the feed ramp that caught round nose bullets and jammed them about twice per magazine. I read on the Taurus forum of another 24/7 that had the same problem and was corrected by Taurus exchanging the pistol with another new one.

I opted to trade mine in on a Ruger P345 which I like much better.

So far the 740 is performing well and it's my second favorite carry gun. I have a spare spring assembly just in case but actually think the problem was a uncommon problem because no one has reported this kind of failure on the 709-740 models on any forums I can find. I hope this one continues to work as well as it is now because I don't think you can find a .40S&W in such a slim and compact package. Very easily concealed for carrying.

My opinion on Taurus is that they actually design good firearms but have some serious quality control problems. If one is lucky and gets a good one it will function well and be very reliable. Taurus was good to me in correcting what is necessary to make it work right. Several people on the forums have had guns replaced at no chagethat operated as they should. The downside is the time lost shuttling guns back and forth. Taurus would be ahead of the game if they spent a little more on quality control and testing even if they had to raise prices a bit.

MachIVshooter
October 9, 2011, 01:45 AM
They're not the worst out there, but by and large cost considerably more than they're worth.

Arcticfox
October 9, 2011, 02:07 AM
Mine never had a problem. Was my hiking companion, and was glad to have it. A S&W knock off, but not as good as the real thing.

Nushif
October 9, 2011, 02:52 AM
Have a PT911 and a PT92 ... Had a PT145 by proxy and a 905 for a while too.
And every single last one of them has been trouble free and functioned perfectly.

WaltonS
October 9, 2011, 03:05 AM
I've got a Model 85. I don't see why there's so much hatred for these things. The only issue I've had is the screw holding the cylinder release lever backed out a bit after repeated trips to the range. So I put a tiny bit of Loctite 242 (blue) on that screw. Problem solved.

BigN
October 9, 2011, 03:46 AM
I had no experience with Taurus until I actually bought one this year. I won't buy another. After 2 trips back to the factory, you can depend on it firing at least 3 rounds before it locks up. Lesson learned, get what you pay for. Next time I'll kick in a few extra bucks and buy quality. I take it to the range to play with but I wouldn't depend on it firing when you need it to.

weregunner
October 9, 2011, 06:14 AM
I own 17 Taurus revolvers and at least 8 Taurus pistols. I also own Beretta, Springfield, Ruger, and SIG products.

All of these give sterling service. No problems here.

All my Tauri are durable and reliable.

I've notice that those who do not own Taurus anything are the chronic complainers. Add to that anecdotal evidence with little or no details posts, but the whinging goes on and on and on and on....

There is also the "anointed ones" who know all,see all, and consider themselves above everyone else. The actual owners' results don't count and THEY are what count. It's more about them than the subject.

The actual owners' mental state is disparaged and called into question. No need for it.

I've seen it documented at many of the gun forums and here.

Yes, there are going to a few that get by QC. That's true for any gun maker.

S&W seems to be having some troubles with the new 290 of sorts. Not dumping on S&W as they make class products. To me so does Taurus.

One bad actual variant does not broad brush stroke a whole brand,make, or model.

If one had many supposed bad Tauri why did the person who bought them not do actual gun checks for handguns that we all should do prior to buying? That for a majority of the so called problems. Goes for some of the one time purchase people as well.

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/taurus-complaints/1792-taurus-accomplishments.html

They work for me.

weregunner
October 9, 2011, 06:15 AM
Oh,yes. Welcome to the forum.

ojibweindian
October 9, 2011, 08:43 AM
I have a PT 24/7 in 9mm and love it but i have heard a lot bad mouthing about taurus so what are your opinions on taurus.
They're okay, for the most part. Owned a 608 that was pretty good; wish I still had that one. Also had a PT92 that was okay.

If I could find another blued 608 with a 6.5" barrel, I'd gladly trade one of my XD9's for it.

MMCSRET
October 9, 2011, 09:25 AM
Have several in my possession, several thousand hand loads thru each, never a problem. Accurate, reliable, and attractive in appearance and price. I like'm; alot!!!!!!!!

3KillerBs
October 9, 2011, 09:31 AM
I love my 709 Slim, but honestly would have chosen the Ruger LC9 if it had come out at the same time. Both Tauruses and Rugers fit well in my hand and I'm not afraid of Taurus quality but I think more highly of the Ruger name.

oldfool
October 9, 2011, 01:44 PM
cannot vole.. other than all of the above
true of most "brands", truer of Taurus than most
some great, some ok, some bad, some pert-near horrible

I honestly believe you will get far more meaningful recommendations if asking about very specific model/caliber/vintage.. it tends to vary over time you know, true of any/all brands
Absent such specifics, I really do not see how or why anyone should take such a poll seriously... sounds a lot more like just an invitation to a heated argument, aka.....

"those who do not own Taurus anything are the chronic complainers."
plainly a FALSE statement; beware the woobie bear

"why did the person who bought them not do actual gun checks for handguns that we all should do prior to buying?"
AGREED
(but the reason why many ask others on gun forums for opinions is that a on-the-glass counter inspection goes just so far - ultimately, if you haven't actually run the gun, there is just so much hedging of your bet that you can do at the retail LGS, much less the ever more common on-line buy.. and asking opinions on forums IS one of the "actual checks" many prudent buyers often do)

forum woobie bears come in all brand flavors, true
but it still beats flying deaf, dumb, and blind

gearhead
October 9, 2011, 01:48 PM
I have a 709 and a 24/7 DS Pro C .45. Both have been perfect so far, and I see no issues with the general workmanship. I do thoroughly strip and clean the gun AND all magazines when they're NIB, they seem to have a lot of thick preservative inside them. The molding quality on the magazine followers is iffy too, there's usually a pretty rough parting line around the follower that I hit with a file.

DeepSouth
October 9, 2011, 01:50 PM
I think it depends a lot on which model you get.


I have shot several, and know many people who own them. Some love them, some hate them. Of the ones I've shot some were okay and some felt like a toy, none were what I would call high quality, I have never bought one so I didn't vote.

Redneck with a 40
October 9, 2011, 02:35 PM
I've had two Taurus handguns fail, a Taurus Tracker 357 mag using factory loads, cracked forcing cone and a Taurus PT-140 Pro that sheared off the disassembly pin, don't know how. I won't buy any more Taurus handguns.

TYFOOON
October 9, 2011, 02:50 PM
I also had a Tracker .357 and also a PT140.

The Tracker locked up twice while loaded and had to be sent back. Barrel was machined out of center on the gun. Threw that darn gun in the lake. No joke. I would not offer it to anyone and feel right about it.

The PT140 shot ok but was a POS. Read sight spun around, would not stay in place, and I was still pissed at the Tracker. Sold that to a friend that wanted it for $50.00. He had problems with it also but I lost track of him and the gun over the years.

I will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER buy/recommend Taurus products to ANYONE. There are to many better manufacturers out there. Lately I have been impressed by FN Herstal's quaility and affordability.

Fooon

WAhunter
October 9, 2011, 03:20 PM
Thank you all for the comments so far they have been very informative.

PT92
October 9, 2011, 05:21 PM
I have shot many but owned only three in my time. In particular, those three would be A) PT-92 B) PT-25 C) 24/7 OSS Tactical. I am 'apparently' one of the fortunate ones in that I have never had a single problem with any of the aforementioned (nor with either the range guns I rent or my friends guns). What I like about them for me is that I get good quality guns absent breaking the bank which at this point in time is critical.

-Cheers

MMCSRET
October 9, 2011, 05:23 PM
I've traded away more handguns of other brands than I've had Taurus problems because of the same kind of problems that people claim Taurus is so guilty of. S&W has been much more of a problem for me, but I still buy a S&W from time to time, altho I've never owned a new Smiff.

PT92
October 9, 2011, 05:53 PM
I own 17 Taurus revolvers and at least 8 Taurus pistols. I also own Beretta, Springfield, Ruger, and SIG products.

All of these give sterling service. No problems here.

All my Tauri are durable and reliable.

I've notice that those who do not own Taurus anything are the chronic complainers. Add to that anecdotal evidence with little or no details posts, but the whinging goes on and on and on and on....

There is also the "anointed ones" who know all,see all, and consider themselves above everyone else. The actual owners' results don't count and THEY are what count. It's more about them than the subject.

The actual owners' mental state is disparaged and called into question. No need for it.

I've seen it documented at many of the gun forums and here.

Yes, there are going to a few that get by QC. That's true for any gun maker.

S&W seems to be having some troubles with the new 290 of sorts. Not dumping on S&W as they make class products. To me so does Taurus.

One bad actual variant does not broad brush stroke a whole brand,make, or model.

If one had many supposed bad Tauri why did the person who bought them not do actual gun checks for handguns that we all should do prior to buying? That for a majority of the so called problems. Goes for some of the one time purchase people as well.

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/taurus-complaints/1792-taurus-accomplishments.html

They work for me.
Very well put. There will be a lemon produced in every lot of everything made everywhere in the world, be it guns, cars, appliances etc. What escapes me and what you mention as well is does that simple fact mean that all Taurus, S&W, Ford, GE etc. products are bad because I or someone I know had a bad apple? Bottom line for me, there should be no all-inclusive categorical statements that an entire line of anything is good or bad.

-Cheers

exavid
October 9, 2011, 06:02 PM
I agree that Taurus makes some pretty good guns. I've used several of their pistols and revolvers and have a couple. The only fault I have with them is that they need to improve their quality control. You don't hear so many complaints about Ruger for instance. Yes, they have problems too but not as many. My dealings with Taurus concerning difficulties with their products has been good, they've corrected whatever needed to be corrected in reasonable time. I don't know why some complain about their customer service but since there are considerable numbers complaining they should take a look at why some like me have a good experience dealing with the company and some don't. Perhaps it's just folks griping.
All firearm companies have problem guns, it's just the impression that Taurus has more than the others that needs fixed. A bit more testing on their part before shipping might reduce this and improve their image a lot. A good series of test firing wouldn't add all that much to the final price and if it caught problem guns so they could be fixed before shipping it would do a lot to improve their company image.

erazor55
October 9, 2011, 07:18 PM
+1 PT92 and weregunner.

Gladius
October 9, 2011, 07:28 PM
The only Taurus I've had experience with is my PT1911. I'd heard some of the stories of other Taurus products, and had always equated Taurus with "cheap but functional -- usually". So I never had much interest. Was intrigued by the PT1911 though, so I gave it a chance. And I do not regret it. So far I've put only about 400+ rounds though it, which may not be much in the whole scheme of things, but it proved itself totally reliable, with ball, HP's, even with some pretty weird handloads with various lead bulllets (most of which had to be well out-of-spec. These loads caused a custom 1911 to choke frequently). And accurate too -- it actually made me look like a good shot. ;)
I still don't have much interest in most of Taurus' offerings (nothing against them, just not interested), but my PT1911 is a darn good pistol for the price.

skidder
October 9, 2011, 07:40 PM
They are sloppy crackle cakes made of some kind of peanut brittle alloy. Remove the side plate to reveal the marshmallow filling. Mine had a crunchy chocolate filling inside. I will never buy another one unless they throw in a glass of milk.

firemanstrickland
October 9, 2011, 07:45 PM
I own a taurus PT1911 AR and a taurus model 605 .357 mag snubbie and i absolutely love them. In about 1000 rnds between the two of them i have had absolutely not one single problem with either. you know...its pretty funny theres over 70 votes and only about 30 posts. why dont the taurus haters come forward and tell us exactly whats wrong with our guns other than all these people say stay away from them so u jump on the bandwagon. you know just cause something is sold at a fair price does not mean it is junk

oldfool
October 9, 2011, 09:23 PM
firemanstrickland
"why dont the taurus haters come forward and tell us exactly whats wrong with our guns"

because of that crappy attitude, re:
I love my TWO (or 17), therefore anyone who says anything unkind about any Taurus ever made is an idiot or an internet commando troll
and/or
people who have unkind thoughts about Taurus handguns are only people who have never owned one

In this thread, less than 10% of posters to date who have commented failed to specifically note specific personal ownership of Taurus handguns; pretty common in most generic Taurus threads (absent naming a specific model/caliber/vintage) IMO

comment 'splits' do not look grossly out of line with total poll count percentages, comment included or not

people here are entitled to post any vote in any poll posted here
comment optional
how it is

bottom line, be careful what questions you ask, if you might not like the answers

PS
I own three I like a lot and have repeatedly recommended on this board to others.
I have handled and myself shot at least one other which I have repeatedly recommended to others (who per posts here is owned and liked by someone in this thread)
and I have handled and shot some others which I would never recommend to a stranger, much less a friend

I guess I am just a "taurus hater", leastways according to some woobie bears
(and those above who were disappointed in their purchases are probably just liars and fools too)
but I did not VOTE in the poll (how's that for a twist), also allowed

willbozz61
October 9, 2011, 09:29 PM
I have not had any problems with my pt1911, it even got me a second place trophy in a local uspsa match. So I can't complain.

Gottahaveone
October 9, 2011, 09:33 PM
You should have split the poll between auto's and revolvers. The Taurus auto's seem to be pretty decent but the last couple of revolvers I bought were junk. I didn't know which way to vote......

WAhunter
October 9, 2011, 09:44 PM
Gottahaveone i'm sorry about that.i dont know why it did not occur to me to differentiate auto's and revolvers.

Super Sneaky Steve
October 9, 2011, 10:33 PM
I bought a brand new PT1911. It doublefed due to an out of tune extractor. I paid $40 to send it back. They replaced the old crappy extractor with a new crappy extractor.

It still would jam and doublefeed. I spent $90 on some Weigand tools to tune it right. Now it works.

I'll never buy another Taurus again.

orionengnr
October 9, 2011, 10:40 PM
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1235937

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=414483

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=95429

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=95737

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthre...ghlight=taurus

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthre...ghlight=taurus

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...ghlight=taurus

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/wheelgu...t-out-box.html

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...ghlight=taurus

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...taurus+quality

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...taurus+quality

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...taurus+quality

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=399341

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/non-xd-...lore-help.html

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...taurus+quality

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...taurus+quality

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...taurus+quality

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/non-xd-...anty-work.html

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...taurus+quality

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...taurus+quality

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...taurus+quality

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=415691

http://www.gundirectory.com/more.asp...259&gun=Pistol

I can come up with a lot more if necessary.
The biggest issues are:
1. Initial QC issues.
2. Warranty--you pay for shipping, unlike S&W or Ruger (or a number of other manufacturers).
3. Warranty--they seem to take their time on warranty repairs. Six months is not uncommon.
4. Warranty--they do not necessarily fix it the first (or second, or third) time. And you pay for shipping each time.

Many have stated that Taurus' "Lifetime Warranty" means that it will take a lifetime to get it fixed.

Do some searching before you buy. It may save you from being the next one to post a negative experience.

oldfool
October 9, 2011, 11:08 PM
sorry there onionengr, but you left out www.taursarmed.net
so it don't count ;)

Gaucho Gringo
October 9, 2011, 11:17 PM
I own a Taurus Gaucho which is a SAA clone in .357. I have had it for 4 years now and it is still working fine. I love the silky smooth hammer and trigger actions. I have had zero problems with it and am looking to buy another one eventually.

wlewisiii
October 10, 2011, 12:35 AM
I chose "Ok" on this poll, but it's probably somewhere between the OK & Great choices. I had a revolver that gave good service and I've seen very good results from their autos, especially anything originally designed by Berretta. I have never, personally, seen anything as bad as I hear moaned about here. OTOH, fit and finish are not quite up to S&W (much less Colt) standards hence not being willing to say Great.

22lr
October 10, 2011, 12:54 AM
They used to be a bargain gun company. Anymore and there prices are only slightly below S&W. So then its a matter of why buy a Taurus when you can buy a S&W for $50 more? Taurus is an ok brand from what ive seen, but I have never seen a Taurus brand gun that is on par with a S&W gun or the same variety. I prefer the quality, and so I just choose to spend the extra cash on what I really want.

Taurus guns seems to work ok, but they are still in the high low, to low mid tier of weapons. Compare a Taurus and a S&W revolver and it will be obvious to even the most novice gun owner. But if price is the key factor for you, then maybe saving the $50 is worth it for you.

carbuncle
October 10, 2011, 01:04 AM
I had an 85 that was a great little gun, no problems with it so my Taurus experience has been 100% good. Buddy of mine had one as well, same thing.

bjs1187
October 10, 2011, 01:04 AM
owned a .357. sorry I sold it.

22lr
October 10, 2011, 01:17 AM
For the record I have owned a few Taurus revolvers of assorted flavors, and a 24/7. I sold them all once I got my first S&W and realized what I was missing.

dashootist
October 10, 2011, 01:31 AM
I needed an 8-shot revolver for shooting pin match. The S&W 627 was $1000; while the Taurus 608 was under $500. I picked the Taurus. But after reading about Taurus blowing up, I'm regretting my decision. I use very hot loads to shoot the bowling pins. My buddies all shoot S&W 627 with very hot loads, and there's no problem. I hope my Taurus doesn't blow up in my face. There were a few initial problems with my Taurus. After they were revolved, I bobbed the hammer, put a lighter springs, and dry fired 3000 times. My Taurus shoots good and has a smooth trigger. But there's always on the back of my mind that it's going to blow up in my face any day now.

Rollie
October 10, 2011, 10:51 AM
I have had 4. A PT99 sold in a trade for a S&W629 for hunting season. A 85 rev. my son in law has. A .45acp 5 shot tracker that I sold to treat ( no cure ) " new gun fever " , oh how I wish I had kept that one. And a PT99 with a Jonathan Arthur Ciener .22 cal conversion. I have had NO problems. All worked as well as any other of the gun in my collection. The 22 conversion with auto-match will shoot 2" at 30 yds., and I cannot remember the last malfunction with 9mm or .22. All are fine firearms I would buy again. I also have 4 S&W's, and have had many Colt, Rugers, and Charter arms, so am not brand prejudice. However, with all that I have read, I think one would be well advised to carefully examine the actual one they wanted to buy.

PapaG
October 10, 2011, 11:09 AM
We sell a lot of Taurus firearms, both revolvers and semi-autos as well as the Rossi/Taurus line of rifles and combos. Earlier this year I ran a pareto on what guns went back to the factory most often, by brand only for the most part and by model if it was epidemic.
Number one problem brand was Taurus but mostly in the small frame model revolvers and the most common issue was the cylinder locking bolt not engaging the notch in the cylinder. Number two was the SCCY 9mm semi auto with an amazing array of problems. Number three was the Sig Mosquito, mostly feeding problems.
Since we sell Kimber, Smith, Springfield, Rock Island, Sig, Colt, Taurus, Glock, Ruger, Walther, as well as some lesser brands, I had a pile of data to mine. We have not returned a Glock, Walther, Smith, RI, or Ruger for a factory caused problem. The only Kimber we sent back was for a finish blem.
I own several Tauruses, one of which is the most accurate revolver I'v ever had...a Tracker 17. I've had a number of others with varying degrees of satisfaction.
Large frame Taurus revolvers are uniformly without problems. The autos are mostly just fine out of the box.
Everybody makes a lemon now and then. I can't for the life of me figure out how Taurus can made small revolvers with uniformly bad triggers and their partners in Braztech, Rossi, can make them so uniformly good (good, not excellent).

Patriotme
October 10, 2011, 11:43 AM
I have a 10 year old .357 Taurus that has been a great gun and it gets shot about 6-8 times per year. My Dad has a Taurus PT92 from the 1980's that has been flawless in operation as long as it's cleaned every 5 range trips and lubed every few trips.
On the other hand I have PT22 that jams every round (of course it ran great for 5 years) and a friend recently bought an 8 shot .357 that constantly locks up.
I would think hard about buying a new Taurus. The price would have to be really good and I wouldn't buy one of their 9 shot .22lr revolvers for any price. I make a decent living and am at the point where I can spend a little more and get a little better. I would try a new Taurus if I was on a serious budget but only if I couldn't find a used S&W or Ruger for a similiar price.
Sorry....I just don't have any faith in their new guns, their quality control or customer service.

wally
October 10, 2011, 12:47 PM
I think they are OK. I've really had nothing but good luck with them and I've quite a few because of their propensity for interesting designs and modest prices. Although none have seen a high round count other than my PT-92 and PT-1911 9mm.

Better QA/QC than Kel-Tec in my experience. Customer service is probably not as good as Kel-Tec but I've never had to send a Taurus back -- I'm two of five having to go back to Kel-Tec.

I have about twice as many Taurus guns as Kel-Tec guns.


I wouldn't buy one of their 9 shot .22lr revolvers for any price.

Funny, I've the 1-7/8" and 5" barrel versions. Neither has given a lick of trouble, although the round counts are low by my standards, they do well with bulk pack ammo. They were two of the first guns my wife started with, although we both prefer autos, revolvers have a lot of advantages when first learning to shoot.

daytodaze
October 10, 2011, 12:58 PM
I had a bad Taurus, and haven't heard many good stories from others (friends, gun smiths, forums, etc.). Mine was a Taurus tracker 627, and after a few cylinders, the guns performance would go to crap. Lockup, no trigger pull, hammer wouldn't cock. I was informed by another poster that I could easily fix it if I just polished and filed... But I'm not a gun smith and I really shouldn't have to finish any gun I buy. Sold it for what I bought it even though I told the guy it didn't work well dirty. This combined with the fact that there are many, many other pistol choices to choose from will probably lead me to never own another Taurus. My glocks shoot every time, my smith shoots every time. My Taurus did not shoot every time.

davelp
October 10, 2011, 12:59 PM
I have a PT-92AF that I bought as my first autoloader, I like it better than the Smith & Wesson 4516-1 I just traded. my only complaint with the Taurus is strictly personal, I have small hands with short fingers and the butt is a bit large for me. functions reliably, feeds anything. I have a Glock 26 and just traded the Smith in on a Ruger SR9. I have owned 4 Smiths over the years, 3 revolvers and one autoloader. I have none now.

GCBurner
October 10, 2011, 01:16 PM
I go back and forth between a Taurus PT-99 and a Glock 26 for shooting IDPA matches. I've never had a failure to fire or failure to eject with either one of them. The Taurus is one of the earlier models with the frame mounted safety and no decocker, and after several thousand rounds of full power 9mm FMJ, it still shoots right to the POA, and the finish shows very little sign of any wear. I've got no complaints about its quality, fit, or finish; with the rosewood grips and bright blue-black finish, it's certainly PRETTIER than a Glock. :)

Jim K
October 10, 2011, 01:20 PM
True one bad product does not mean all that company's products are bad, and I have never said all Taurus products are bad. In fact, their design (in areas where the design is not a copy) and materials appear to be excellent. But there is still, in spite of all the gunzine interviews with Taurus executives who promise change, a quality control problem in their manufacturing. Far too many (no, not just one) Taurus handguns have had serious problems that are the result of deficiencies in manufacture and inspection.

Exavid exactly expressed my findings by saying "My opinion on Taurus is that they actually design good firearms but have some serious quality control problems. If one is lucky and gets a good one it will function well and be very reliable."

The result is, of course, that some, probably the vast majority, of Taurus owners will get good service, equal to higher priced guns. They will brag about how they got a good gun at a moderate price, and vehemently denounce anyone who says otherwise. But those who have bad experiences with Taurus products are not stupid, or silly, or experiencing a "one off" problem. The problems are systemic. Somewhere in the Taurus system, their good intentions break down. Whether it is the guy on the machine who thinks a bad part is "good enough", or the inspector who doesn't want to shut down production to fix a machine, or the supervisor who would rather turn out bad guns to meet a quota than to correct a problem, or a manager who pushes a work force to turn out quantity and to heck with quality, or a combination of the above, I don't know. But Taurus really does have problems, no matter how loud the screams of Taurus dealers and Taurus fans, and they will eventually have to correct the problems or price will not make up for their deficiencies.

So far, they have an advantage in that, as a foreign company, it is almost impossible to sue them or use the law to get them to make good on their warranties, but that too may change.

Jim

daytodaze
October 10, 2011, 01:37 PM
I don't think every Taurus is bad, i just have no reason to give Taurus another chance. I live in a gun state, and all makes and models are generally available here, new or used.

Weevil
October 10, 2011, 05:54 PM
Mixed results with the two I've owned.


Had a .44spl revolver back in the '90s. Decent enough gun that worked just fine, but had a really gritty trigger that stacked badly before it broke. Nice glovebox gun but nothing to write home about.

Picked up a PT22 for the wife and it was the worst jam-o-matic I've ever had. Constant FTF problems even with quality .22 ammo. First trip to the factory and it came back as bad as ever, second trip it came back with a NIB mag and actually worked decent with top quality ammo, but now the safety would come on as you were firing it.

I gave up on that clunker and traded it to a guy that thought he could make it work. He didn't have it for long so I suspect he didn't.


That being said I came close to getting a PT911 in another trade but it fell through.

I'll get a Taurus if there's a really good deal on one but just as a range toy and plinker, I won't trust my life to one.

InkEd
October 10, 2011, 07:51 PM
IMHO they have some winners and some losers, in terms of models.

Quality control is known for being consistant. Warranty is excellent bit customer service is reportedly bad. Price is usually lower than other major competitors.

PowerG
October 10, 2011, 09:25 PM
Certainly not an expert, I've only owned two, but both were good guns.

osteodoc08
October 10, 2011, 10:04 PM
I have a model 66 in 357 mag with 6" barrel. I'll just shoot it until it falls apart. So far, so good. Cylinder is a little short, so the heavy for caliber lead boolits are sent downrange with my dads redhawk. We have some 160 lead HP boolits loaded up now that seem to shoot fair out of it. I carried it around the woods for a while until I got my ruger bisley in 41 mag. Overall, I really can't complain. It's still tight. It's more accurate than I am and it goes bang everytime I pull the trigger. I'm seriously thinking about looking for one of those 41 mag trackers in titanium just for the grins of it. Still Prefer smith and ruger though.

I voted good based on my example.

punkndisorderly
October 10, 2011, 10:25 PM
I owned one Taurus in the past and own one currently. Was happy with the first, not so much with the second.

My current one is a 970 Tracker in 22lr. Single action is fair. Not the best, but more than functional. Double action is the pits. It's inconsistant in between shots in terms of length of pull and pull weight, with the heaviest pull being about twice as heavy and much longer than the lightest. On one cylinder the hammer actually comes back and touches my hand, but only on that one. Gritty and just plain nasty as well. Worst double action I've felt. Doesn't compare to my Smith 29 or 327PD. It's also only good for about 100 rounds before it becomes impossible to eject the cases (and that's with good federal automatch ammo that's fairly clean as .22's go). I'm going to take a brush with me to see if brushing under the ejector star every few cylinders helps out. Should have paid the extra for a Smith. It just seems like Taurus takes it most of the way there, then cheaps out on finishing and quality control. You may get a good one, you may get a bad one. Seems like a lot of both get through QC.

It works, and with the stories that I've heard about their customer service, I'm hesitant to send it off. It's probably better for my blood pressure to just deal with it as is.

Back in the 1997 or so, I bought a Taurus model 44. I owned it for about three years and put maybe 500 rounds through it. Shot great in single action. No problems at all, ever. I rarely shot double action and was to much of a newbie at the time to have really known if it was good or bad.

Doubt I'll ever buy another Taurus unless it's from a buddy who I trust and I shoot it first. Definitely won't special order one. Definitely won't buy a used one of unknown history. Unless Colt tools up again for DA revolvers, Smith and Wesson is going to get my business.

gordy
October 11, 2011, 06:10 PM
I had one in the late 80's
A 357 mag with a 4 inch barrel.
Shot great in single action but if you shot it double action it would spit lead so bad. The timing was out of wack. I bought it used. And soon sold it.
Never bought one after that. Shot about 6 more at the gun range, They were ok but was never real happy with them and I will stay with my S&W.
I have fired a pair of autos, both clones of other guns and they were very good guns. Go figure.

fatcpa
October 11, 2011, 06:26 PM
I have owned several Taurus handguns over the last few years. I currently have two Model 85 Ultralites that I like as well as the S&W 442 that I owned for a while. For the most part, I liked the semiautomatics and they were relatively trouble free. I only had one serious problem with a Pt 138 (380 acp). After three trips back to Taurus, it still wouldn't feed two magazines in a row without a failure to feed. I would say that owning Taurus handguns has been mostly positive experiences. Selling them is another story. Because of the Taurus reputation, whether justified or not, I have taken a beating when selling them. I actually gave the troublesome 380 away!

napjerk
October 11, 2011, 08:10 PM
I've only owned one Taurus, a 605 stainless .357 snubby. I've fired all kinds of ammo, .38spl LRN, bonded JHP, full magnum loads, etc. The little gun shoots like a dream, and it's way more accurate than I thought a snubby could be. I carry it often and trust my life to it. Maybe I was lucky and got a good one, but it's a great little carry gun.

wep45
October 11, 2011, 08:42 PM
taurus = you get what you pay for:eek:

Dr_2_B
October 11, 2011, 09:17 PM
I voted 'ok.' I've often recounted the story of my buddy and me who bought our PT145s together... they're even consecutively numbered. Mine has been fine and his has made Jennings look like a top-shelf handgun.

Cougar
October 11, 2011, 10:07 PM
I don't have any Taurus pistols, so I cannot vouch either way of those. But I do have three Taurus revolvers. All have been trouble-free.

Of all of them, I think my '91-vintage stainless 3-inch Model 85 is my favorite and is also my CCW gun. The 96 is a target-grade 22 and I have no complaints. The Model 66 .357 is *shug* OK I guess, but I like my Dan Wesson better.

armsmaster270
October 12, 2011, 05:16 AM
I only have 2 a m-44 and a PT-145 No problems with either but I have heard the horror stories.

Lama
October 12, 2011, 05:54 PM
I've got several hand guns....Beretta, Springfield, and Taurus....

The 709 Slim is perhaps the best of them all.....it is flawless...have never jammed, and I've shot a lot of ammo through it....great sites, and I love the trigger safety. Accurate, too. It will "eat" any ammo.

Son has the PT99, which is also a great gun.

All in all, I have zero issues with them.

bikerdoc
October 12, 2011, 09:00 PM
605 revolver = great
PT 92 = great
PT 1911 9mm== great

I also own Smith, Ruger, Colt and Kimber and CZ.

Never had a problem with any of them.

YMMV

dsb1829
October 13, 2011, 09:54 AM
I have owned a few over the last couple years. When you get one that works they are fine guns. They do not have as nice of fit or finish work. The triggers are a bit heavy and gritty. But those things can be worked around.

I had a PT845 that shot 6in low at 10yd. I sold it back to the shop for a loss. I felt that fixing it would be throwing good money after bad. No love lost.

Myles
October 13, 2011, 12:06 PM
PT92 bought in 1988 - more than 30k rounds through it. I've sent it to the factory once for a broken DA return spring replacement at 15k. They did a fine job and replaced all of the internal springs - total turnaround was about 3-4 weeks. I replaced the springs myself from Numrich at ~25k - nothing was broken, I just like the crispness. It's still my favorite go-to handgun.

Darkbob
October 13, 2011, 03:00 PM
I own a PT1911. I use it as my carry gun. I have put over a thousand rounds through it. I did have issues right away with one of the factory mags. I switched to CMC mags and have had no issues since. I've had two FTF's that looked like they may be light primer strikes. One was with TULAmmo, the other was one of my first reloads. All other rounds went bang like they're supposed to.

plumberroy
October 13, 2011, 05:39 PM
They used to be a bargain gun company. Anymore and there prices are only slightly below S&W. So then its a matter of why buy a Taurus when you can buy a S&W for $50 more? Taurus is an ok brand from what ive seen, but I have never seen a Taurus brand gun that is on par with a S&W gun or the same variety. I prefer the quality, and so I just choose to spend the extra cash on what I really want.

I have a model 94 22 2" barrel stainless I was going to buy the little light wieght S&W that looks Exactly the same but wieghs 1/2 as much I think smith calls it an airwieght I shot my buddies gun rented one and tried it tried a third one at a gunshop I bought most of my stuff from at that time . All 3 you would have a hard time hitting the broad side of a barn from the inside of the barn . The little taurus is minute of popcan at 50 feet . I really like this little gun . On the other hand I bought a taurus PT-22 the barrel tip up lever broke at around 25th round after a trip back to the factory around 150 rounds it started jamming every 7-8th round. After the second trip back it lasted about a brick of ammo before jamomatic showed up. When it came back from the factory trip 3 I sold it back to the dealer he gave me full credit towards something else that is my first hand experience
Roy

bikerdoc
October 13, 2011, 07:46 PM
I did have issues right away with one of the factory mags. I switched to CMC mags and have had no issues since.

Same here with the mag for the 1911 in 9mm switched to kimber model 307 mag no problem since.
When I called Taurus the lady said the will send me new mags but are curently back ordered. I told her no rush I like the Kimbers mags better.

igousigloo
October 13, 2011, 09:02 PM
I have a 92AFS that I really like. I purchased a Ceiner conversin for it and after a lot of work got it working flawlessly. Then I started having accuracy problems.I finally identified the problems with the help of this forum as overdriving the lead bullet from too tight a twist barrel. I shot jacketed bullets without a problem, but since my main source of bullets was lead, I decided that I did not want to change bullets so I ordered a match barrel with a 16 twist from KKM. Problem solved!

shootinxd
October 14, 2011, 07:04 AM
My PT111 mil pro is one of my favorite to carry during colder months.Easy to conceal with under shirt shoulder holster and long sleve shirt.I generally practice with it several times a year,never once had a problem.

michiganfan
October 14, 2011, 08:01 AM
Every one i have ever bought new(2) has had to go back. I will say when they came back they were 100 per cent.

tinygnat219
October 14, 2011, 08:02 AM
I have a Love / Hate affair with Taurus. I love the innovation and enthusiasm they have and I like their product lines. I just hate their lack of QC and their instant ability to end production. I've personally owned 7 of their guns, all had problems of some kind or another and I've gotten rid of all of them. I am currently Taurus empty.

At any rate, they HAVE been cleaning up their act. When I owned and got rid of my last Taurus, the 905. I got a notice in the mail stating that my gun was being repaired and would be returned in 4-6 weeks to my address. 4 weeks later it was back and apparently repaired.

Their style of build tends to be one of two kinds: 1)Good, in which case you have a real bargain and something that was built on a Wednesday 6 months after Carnivale. 2) Crap, which was usually built on a Friday while someone was thinking about Carnivale. This will usually be fixed by a warranty trip. However, if you are like me, I tend to buy guns with reliability first on my mind and I lose confidence in something quickly if it doesn't work out of the box after a quick clean and lube. So, if you find a used Taurus and you don't have any problems, it's usually one of the best buys on the market.

Taurus has come a long way, but they have a long way to go.

The_Armed_Therapist
October 14, 2011, 11:00 AM
My first handgun purchase was a Taurus 445(?)... a .44 special revolver. I bought it for $229 and the guy I bought it from made fun of me for choosing it. He said if I ever wanted to sell it, that no one would ever want it and that the .44 special round was junk. He also made fun of his own price, saying it was that cheap because Taurus revolvers stink.

That store no longer exists, probably because the owner was an idiot. I shot at least 1,000 rounds through that thing without a single problem. I carried it everywhere and even fit in most pockets (2 1/4 inch barrel). I wasn't sure at the time, but now realize that the .44 special is NOT a junk round, but a terribly underrated round. Additionally, I sold it for $300 very recently so that I could buy something else. I don't regret selling it, but miss it terribly. Is it right to get rid of a gun that was so perfect? LOL

Anyways, I know that this doesn't necessarily carry over into Taurus autoloaders nor a conversation about their customer service, but I really wanted to say it. :) They don't make that model anymore, but hopefully I can find another one some day.

KRMoose
February 17, 2013, 06:26 PM
After poking around the interwebs about Taurus I figure I'll throw in my 2 cents on this old thread. First, I own 2 Taurus pistols - a PT 24/7 PRO .45 ACP and a 738 TCP .380.
I bought the 24/7 used (1st handgun!) and it looked as though it had barely been fired. I soon learned why it was traded...it had the "old" style mags which caused various stovepipe and FTE problems. I rarely got through a full mag. It was supposedly a known issue and Taurus CS swapped them for no charge with little hassle. (BTW, there was a very noticeable difference between the old and new mags) The new mags have improved the reliability for the most part, but now I think I need a new recoil spring as I still have occasional FTE issues but nowhere near as bad as it was. Overall, I like the look, feel, and accuracy of the weapon, but until I get the bugs worked out I wouldn't trust my life with it. I am considering trading it for the new SA XDS, but that's another matter.
I bought the 738 new for my wife. I cleaned it and took it to the range. After about 2 dozen rounds, the trigger began to fail to engage the firing pin. I had to squeeze with all my might to get it to engage. Not reliable and most importantly not safe. I called CS they said they would gladly repair it under warranty. Problem is, even though it was brand new they insisted I pay for 2-day FedEx ("dangerous goods") which was $50. I included a letter explaining that I was very unhappy having to pay the shipping for what was clearly a manufacturing defect on a brand new gun. They did repair the gun, which now seems to work fine after 50 rounds and no issues. However Taurus still has not responded to my letter.
In summary, I have owned 2 Taurus guns, have had problems with both, and their Lifetime Warranty has cost me $50. All I wanted was a response. I got nothing. So, in my experience I could not in good conscience recommend Taurus to anyone. There are better low-cost options, and the original XD's are comparable in price and MUCH higher quality. Thanks.

exavid
February 17, 2013, 09:58 PM
I had two Taurus pistols, a TCP and a Slim .40S&W. The .40 had some problems with FTF from light strikes. After sending it back and having it returned from Taurus I took it to the range and it went full automatic. I returned it to Taurus and they refunded my purchase price. The TCP was nice little .380, shot well, accurate, and nice to handle. Until the slide broke in two at the ejection port. One piece flew forward launched by the recoil spring but the rear half blew back and hit my friend who was trying the gun, in the cheek cracking a tooth. I sent this one along with pictures to Taurus and asked for my money back. I've had their revolvers in the past with no problem but don't think I'll buy any of their pistols again.

TheDaywalkersDad
February 18, 2013, 04:49 PM
Most of my experience with Taurus firearms has been with their older guns. My parents have a PT92 that has been shot a lot over the last 3 decades. It's a great gun once you get past how fat the grip is. They also have a Model 85 but the round count is low. No issues with either gun.
I owned one of their older 4" .357magnums for several years and put about 2,500 rounds through it (mostly .38spl). I currently own a 24/7 OSS but the round count is under 500. No issues thus far.
My wife gave me a PT22 about 10-15 years ago. It probably has less than 2,000 rounds through over the years. It began malfunctioning constantly as was recently sent back to Taurus. I got it back this month after less than 2 weeks. 100rnds were shot last week with no problems. The only complaint that I have with their customer service is they didn't include any info regarding what they did to fix the gun.
I like Taurus but they've never been my first choice. I've always gotten them when a deal presented itself and most of them have been used.

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