Why I like 9mm Nato


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Wildbillz
October 9, 2011, 02:28 PM
Hi All
I was thinking about this today and thought I would wright a post for it.

First reson is that there are still a lot of good used 9mm service pistols that can be had for good prices. I recently got a CZ75 preB for around $250 (if I recall correctly). I just saw some S&W M659s that I am thinking of picking one up ($300ish)

Second. Cheap brass, bullets and reloading gear. Back before the Obama scare of 08 I picked up 5k of once fired non mill brass for about $60. Cast bullets are cheap in this caliber and its not unusual to find decent FMJ for under $100. a K. I think you could find JHP for that cost. Powder? Buy an 8lbs jug of Unique for somthing in the naborhood of $125. Primers are still going to cost the same as they go in all cartridges that take a SP.

9mm has allways been pretty easy to load (for me) Fun to shoot and stores well in a 30cal ammo can (1200rnds to the can). The brass market is going to change as more and more PDs go over to the 40cals. But the USGI brass will be there for a while longer.

Pick one up and give it a try.

Wild Bill

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Walkalong
October 9, 2011, 03:46 PM
All excellent reasons. :)

Jim Watson
October 9, 2011, 03:48 PM
And you are reloading to real NATO specifications? That would be rather a lot of Unique.

KodiakBeer
October 9, 2011, 04:22 PM
Yeah, I think he meant 9mm Luger (Parabellum, 9x19).

bigfatdave
October 10, 2011, 12:27 AM
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And are you talking about the specific 124 grain high in SAMMI but not +P load, or 9x19mm in general?

Wildbillz
October 10, 2011, 01:33 PM
Nope my loads are not loaded to NATO spc. So maybe 9mm Luger is the better way to put it. Eather way I think you can understand what I was trying to say.

Yep my spelling and english gramer suck.

Wild Bill

Galil5.56
October 10, 2011, 04:59 PM
Nope my loads are not loaded to NATO spc. So maybe 9mm Luger is the better way to put it. Eather way I think you can understand what I was trying to say.

"NATO spec" is all over the map; one spec says/said 112 grain bullets at 1263 fps IIRC, Canada used 115 grain that qualified as NATO spec at one time, UK seems to have their version of "NATO spec",... Seems currently many of us feel 124 grain FMJ bullets driven to a bit north of 1200 fps is "NATO spec". I have read of folks who buy Winchester "9mm NATO" ammo with 124 grain FMJ bullets that chronographs around 1160-1190 fps fired from 5" barrels.

Now, where Unique fits into this, is that it is very capable of safely driving a jacketed 124 grain bullet 1200 fps+ from a 5" 9mm pistol. I used to load 124 grain jacketed bullets using older Alliant/Hercules std pressure, psi tested data for Unique at the time the data was published, that chronographed right at, and at times just north of 1200 fps. I still use this same data, and it works perfectly fine for me with no issues (why should there be any?). The late Stephen Camp did the same thing, and using 6 grains of Unique and a Hornady 124 grain .355" XTP-HP, got 1243 fps avg from a BHP/CZ75.

1200 fps+ with 124/125 grain cast bullets?... Child's play with Unique, and my particular lot of propellant, and my own 125 grain cast bullets (actually 128 grains) only need 5.5 grains to get 1202 fps avg from my Beretta. I agree with what you wrote, and have much respect for the 9mm "Euro-pellet" :rolleyes:.

Master Blaster
October 10, 2011, 07:06 PM
The funny thing is that some folks will claim that 9mm is a weak ineffective caliber, after all it only drives a 124 grain bullet at 1200 FPS+-. Those same folks will carry a.357magnum snubbie which drives a 125 grain bullet at around 1200 fps and they will tell you its a real man stopper..

amlevin
October 11, 2011, 01:07 PM
The funny thing is that some folks will claim that 9mm is a weak ineffective caliber, after all it only drives a 124 grain bullet at 1200 FPS+-. Those same folks will carry a.357magnum snubbie which drives a 125 grain bullet at around 1200 fps and they will tell you its a real man stopper..

And what really makes me smile when one of these people tells me this is that they only have 6 rounds and my CZ75 SP-O1 holds 20 (19+1) of those wimpy 9mm 124gr GDHP's.

BTW, Using 6.6 gr of Vihtavouri 3N37 those 124 grainers have been measured at 1250fps on my PACT Chronograph from this pistol.

R.W.Dale
October 11, 2011, 01:21 PM
I like 9mm too for many of the stated reasons. As well as a fee others.

I like it so much ironically its why I carry a 357sig. Which is nothing more than a 9mm where EVERY load = the hot NATO L7A1 subgun ammo + a little extra.

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SSN Vet
October 11, 2011, 01:23 PM
all good reasons...

I'm loading more and more 9x19 since I finally got a 9mm that I love to shoot (BHP).

I split an 8lb. jug of W231 with a friend several years ago, and like the energizer bunny, it keeps going and going....

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