Bullet Recomendations


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ljnowell
October 9, 2011, 11:24 PM
Looks like for the first time in a long time I am going to be deer hunting. Since my back injury I had pretty well given up on it, but situations have changed enough to make it very easy for me to hunt. I am planning on using a pistol, because I love to shoot handguns. I own all kinds of guns but handguns are my passion.

I have a Blackhawk in 45colt with a 7.5" barrel. I can easily hit out to 100 yards with this pistol, as I shoot it at the distance all the time. I load some pretty hot ruger only loads frequently also. I am torn between certain bullets. I have a decent supply of the Missouri Bullet 300gr LTC. The weight is there but the bullet doesnt have the best profile for hunting. I also have Missouri Bullet 255 SWC. I have thought about just saying the heck with it and using some of my hot loads of those(which are really, really, hot).

The last thought is going online and sourcing some bullets. I think that a wide flat nosed lead bullet is probably better than an expanding bullet, and to be honest, I dont know that hollowpoints are legal in my state, I have to check that.

I dont mind spending 50 bucks or so on some bullets, give me your opinions and recommendations.

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mnhntr
October 9, 2011, 11:34 PM
My 44 mag and 357 mag hunting loads for my SBH and BH are using Missouri Bullet Company bullets. Your Elmer Keith 255gr bullet for the 45 colt would be a good deer round.

ljnowell
October 9, 2011, 11:40 PM
That was my thought, a SWC makes a nice hole. We do have some big ol' deer here in IL though, so I wouldnt mind putting a little more bullet out there. I wish Missouri Bullet made a 300gr WFN bullet. I am leaning more towards the SWC right now.

mnhntr
October 9, 2011, 11:48 PM
I use their WNFP they call the 44 smasher in my 44 mag. Our deer in MN are big too but they fall hard when hit with a 158gr SWC, or a 240gr WNFP.

Arkansas Paul
October 9, 2011, 11:50 PM
Hey partner. I tried hunting with my Blackhawk last year, but didn't have much luck. Hopefully this year will be better.
I'm going to be using a load I got from you actually. I'm going to be packing the 255 grain SWC from MBC, pushed by 17 grains of 2400. It's a very accurate load in mine, and not that hot if I recall correctly. I won't be shooting anywhere near 100 yds though. I'm planning on hunting my bow stand with it and the farthest I can see is 50 yds or so. I figure that load will get the job done fine.
Happy hunting.

ljnowell
October 9, 2011, 11:57 PM
Thats a nice load, I have shot lots of those! I have loaded 255 all the way up to 22gr. At that level its quite uncomfortable to shoot, but its still very acccuate.

zxcvbob
October 10, 2011, 12:15 AM
I'm not a hunter, but I like a 255 grain RNFP cast bullet and 16.5 grains of Blue Dot. (this is a Ruger or Freedom Arms or rifle load) You can go a little higher with it, but I don't know why you'd need to.

ArchAngelCD
October 10, 2011, 12:51 AM
Make sure those bullets are hard enough to withstand those "hot" loads you're talking about. As for which bullet, I would go with the 255gr SWC. The shoulder on the SWC does a very good job of cutting flesh. A 255gr bullet should carry plenty of energy to penetrate too, even if it hit bone.

Super.45
October 10, 2011, 08:03 AM
The shoulder doesn't count; the meplat is what does the work which is why the LBT designs work well. If you want a max meplat hunting bullet in .45 try the Penn Bullets .45 270gr. Thunderhead. It has gotten a lot of favorable reviews and writeups. Check it out at www.pennbullets.com. Good people to deal with.

USSR
October 10, 2011, 10:09 AM
This is what I use for deer with my .45 Colt.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTAPjh7j2CtGxdXRiGBbUYbR9jf5nzNpdxp44tprbYImnCJjIZ1

Cast of a 25-1 alloy, the HP's weigh ~265 grains, and I load them with 18.0gr of 2400 in Starline brass.

Don

squarles67
October 10, 2011, 10:23 AM
I use the MB 255 SWC in my 45 Colt Blackhawk for Deer.

My Ruger only load is 25.2 grains of Win 296 which gives me 1192 fps with ES 15.78 & SD 5.38

Recoil is heavy but it is very accurate. I didn"t start hunting with it until late in the season last year and I have yet to take a deer with it, hopefully that will change this season

Edit to add: that velocity is out of a 4 5/8 inch barrel

huntershooter
October 10, 2011, 10:53 AM
I use a Cast Performance (CP) or Beartooth 265 gr. GCWFN in my .45 Colt (Ruger) Bisley (5.5" barrel).
I run them @ 1250 fps +-, which is on the warm side but certainly not maxed out. I would be surprised if there is a Whitetail alive this load wouldn't shoot through lengthwise.
I've had good luck with this load on Ks. Whitetail.

ljnowell
October 10, 2011, 07:42 PM
Make sure those bullets are hard enough to withstand those "hot" loads you're talking about. As for which bullet, I would go with the 255gr SWC. The shoulder on the SWC does a very good job of cutting flesh. A 255gr bullet should carry plenty of energy to penetrate too, even if it hit bone.

I hope they hold up, I have been loading them for a few years now! lol. Seriously though, the bullets can handle the speed and are accurate.

The shoulder doesn't count; the meplat is what does the work which is why the LBT designs work well. If you want a max meplat hunting bullet in .45 try the Penn Bullets .45 270gr. Thunderhead. It has gotten a lot of favorable reviews and writeups. Check it out at www.pennbullets.com. Good people to deal with.

I would have to pass. I dont generally do business with people that take money and send bullets a year or two later, or never. I also do not do business with people that will attempt to attack another business owner using underhanded methods, such as planting people in message forums. As a third point, I dont do business with people that will come to a forum and threaten the members that they are attempting to do business with. So you could say that I wont be doing business with Penn Bullets.

On a related note, I notice that you link the same way the owner of Penn Bullets does, and your posts seem to point to a trend. Seems like you showed up about the time that he was shown the door too. Funny.

ljnowell
October 10, 2011, 07:43 PM
This is what I use for deer with my .45 Colt.



Cast of a 25-1 alloy, the HP's weigh ~265 grains, and I load them with 18.0gr of 2400 in Starline brass.

Don

Thats a heck of a nice bullet there. What kind of penetration and expansion are you getting?

USSR
October 11, 2011, 08:04 AM
Thats a heck of a nice bullet there. What kind of penetration and expansion are you getting?

You'll have to talk to Vern Humphrey about that, he did the testing. Started out with an alloy low in tin, and the front ends fractured during testing. Switched to a 25-1 alloy without any antimony, and Vern reported classic mushrooming.

Don

Super.45
October 11, 2011, 08:11 AM
Ljnowell, the only "trend" I see here is that this makes the 2nd time you have personally attacked me and my postings which is very clearly in violation of the rules here.
I have made no secret that I have dealt with now 4 cast bullet mfgs. products and have found all of them to be excellent. I have reported as much.
You have posted what I am sure is untrue information about a company I have had a good service and product from.
I don't know or care what the source of your problems are but please refrain from attacking me personally. I know the owners of all the companies I deal with and found all of them to be good people in my personal expierance.
It was from the recommendation from one of them (and not the one you think) that I join this forum and have enjoyed my time here untill you decided to attack me.

ljnowell
October 11, 2011, 09:16 AM
Ljnowell, the only "trend" I see here is that this makes the 2nd time you have personally attacked me and my postings which is very clearly in violation of the rules here.
I have made no secret that I have dealt with now 4 cast bullet mfgs. products and have found all of them to be excellent. I have reported as much.
You have posted what I am sure is untrue information about a company I have had a good service and product from.
I don't know or care what the source of your problems are but please refrain from attacking me personally. I know the owners of all the companies I deal with and found all of them to be good people in my personal expierance.
It was from the recommendation from one of them (and not the one you think) that I join this forum and have enjoyed my time here untill you decided to attack me.

I dont really care what you believe, right here on these forums is plenty of documentation. I can also plainly look at your posts and see what you are up to. You can mention other vendors all you want but its obvious what you are doing.

You can post about getting attacked all you want. I doubt anyone here believes it for a second.

ljnowell
October 11, 2011, 09:27 AM
BTW, if you are still wondering about sources, though you know them all to well, here you go:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=355312&page=2

and here is a good one, notice the second poster, TravisTwo, thats one of the owners accounts that he created trouble with in the past.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=501275

ArchAngelCD
October 12, 2011, 01:53 AM
ljnowell,
I see nothing wrong with your posts and I have to agree with you. Drive-by attacks against other vendors are not very High Road and you should point it out when you see it. Penn Bullets will never see a penny of my money again either.

As for good bullets, if for some reason those fantastic Missouri bullets don't do what you need to get done I have to totally agree gas checked bullets from Cast Performance (http://www.grizzlycartridge.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=catshow&ref=cp44cal) will surely make the grade. I have bought their 180gr GC bullets for use in my .357 Magnum carbine at very high velocities. Outstanding hunting bullets...

Super.45
October 12, 2011, 09:25 AM
I have read the links that Ljonowell provided. First off they are over 3 years old and anchient history. I object to the exaggerated claims that people waited 1-2 years and never got bullets that they paid for. Nobody in those threads lost a dime to the company.

I admit that the long wait times of up to 9 months was excessive even by my standards but I felt the owner explained the reasons for that then and I can tell you here and now that is no longer the case. I have recieved orders from all the suppliers in reasonable time as well as excellent help when needed.

I find it objectionable that when someone like myself posts a postive expeirance that someone has to attack it. Not very High Road.
I also find that in the second thread that Ljnowell himself instigated the attack against the company and has no personal dealings with the company. Yet during that time the owner was having health issues and explained his problems yet Ljnowell seems to like to kick a guy when he's down and continue to do so.
I have seen low behavior but this is really low.
I can see I am not going to win this argument and don't care. I have had my say and feel no need to drag this on any further.
I will continue to post my expierances with all the people I deal with good and bad.
Ljnowell you can spin this anyway you want and I know you will as you are that kind of person but the rest of the forum memebers can see you for the person you truly are.

zxcvbob
October 12, 2011, 09:35 AM
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ljnowell
October 12, 2011, 10:25 AM
I have read the links that Ljonowell provided. First off they are over 3 years old and anchient history. I object to the exaggerated claims that people waited 1-2 years and never got bullets that they paid for. Nobody in those threads lost a dime to the company.

I admit that the long wait times of up to 9 months was excessive even by my standards but I felt the owner explained the reasons for that then and I can tell you here and now that is no longer the case. I have recieved orders from all the suppliers in reasonable time as well as excellent help when needed.

I find it objectionable that when someone like myself posts a postive expeirance that someone has to attack it. Not very High Road.
I also find that in the second thread that Ljnowell himself instigated the attack against the company and has no personal dealings with the company. Yet during that time the owner was having health issues and explained his problems yet Ljnowell seems to like to kick a guy when he's down and continue to do so.
I have seen low behavior but this is really low.
I can see I am not going to win this argument and don't care. I have had my say and feel no need to drag this on any further.
I will continue to post my expierances with all the people I deal with good and bad.
Ljnowell you can spin this anyway you want and I know you will as you are that kind of person but the rest of the forum memebers can see you for the person you truly are.

Are you serious? You really think everyone in this forum doesnt see what you really are, especially after that post? How would you know that no one lost a dime? You can object all you want. I still have PMs from the owner threating me and others if we told the truth about his company. I never attacked Robert Palermo in that thread, just asked him why he was trying to get more business when HE NEVER SENT other peoples orders.

I think we all know who you are. Anyone can look at your posts and some others and see whats going on. Continue to attack my character all you want. I'm not the one that makes fake accounts so that I can plug my own business and try to tear down others, all the while making threats to forum members.

suzukisam
October 12, 2011, 03:59 PM
if you can use a holow point I would look at the new barnes 45 bullets..I load them in the exact same pistol.. I have had nothing but awesome performance with all barnes I've used... If your set on lead, or it is required, I have had excellent accuracy from MO bullet... and I only live a short distnace from them:neener:



and on a side note I have never heard of this penn bullet discussion on here before, but based on this thread only... super 45 seems rather belligerent, and suspect.. how would you know if no one lost money unless you were personally involved?

Super.45
October 12, 2011, 04:34 PM
suzukiasm, I am only responding to what Ljnowell has said and he pointed to two threads after he said that people waited 1 -2 years for bullets and were charged and never recieved them. In neither of those threads do I see evidence of that.
If you are going to claim something then show me the proof of that claim because its not in either one of those threads. So wheres the proof of his statements?

I am not being belligerent but being annoyed (twice now) by Ljnowell when I have made favorable comments about Penn. He has never commented on the other suppliers I have mentioned so I must be suspect.
The fact is I have tried 4 diffrent mfgs of bullets and have found all of them to be quite good.
I do however find differances in performance among them. Not all bullets from any one mfg have performed the best in all my guns which I find most curious. Right now the best 9mm bullets I have found are coming from Mastercast in IL.
Penns .45s have been the best so far and the Dardas in .38s is doing really well for me.
I am currently trying some Laser Cast but haven shot enough to form a detailed opnion.

ljnowell
October 12, 2011, 05:07 PM
suzukiasm, I am only responding to what Ljnowell has said and he pointed to two threads after he said that people waited 1 -2 years for bullets and were charged and never recieved them. In neither of those threads do I see evidence of that.
If you are going to claim something then show me the proof of that claim because its not in either one of those threads. So wheres the proof of his statements?

I am not being belligerent but being annoyed (twice now) by Ljnowell when I have made favorable comments about Penn. He has never commented on the other suppliers I have mentioned so I must be suspect.
The fact is I have tried 4 diffrent mfgs of bullets and have found all of them to be quite good.
I do however find differances in performance among them. Not all bullets from any one mfg have performed the best in all my guns which I find most curious. Right now the best 9mm bullets I have found are coming from Mastercast in IL.
Penns .45s have been the best so far and the Dardas in .38s is doing really well for me.
I am currently trying some Laser Cast but haven shot enough to form a detailed opnion.

Yeah, sure. OK. Its all out there and I suspect you already know it all anyway. Anyone that is interested can surely go and read all about it. Its all wrapped up in the THR archives. All the juicy goodness. The PMs I have stored in my inbox from the owner of Penn Bullets are enough to prove his real character. The fact that he comes here and shills for his company and either pays people or does it himself to come and badmouth competitors says the rest.

Super.45
October 13, 2011, 10:50 AM
Just out of curiosity I went thru all 150+ postings of Penn and couldn't find a single badmouthing of a competitor so thers another falsehood but since you say that badmouthing a competitor is being a paid shill I have to ask the question who is paying you ljnowell to be their shill to badmouth Penn?
I find your actions and response here far more suspect than anybody elses.
In the course of going thru those responses I found one in which you actually praised Penns handling of a customer complaint and that was just recently.
So which is it? Penn is either dishonest or honest you can't have it both ways.

ljnowell
October 13, 2011, 02:03 PM
Just out of curiosity I went thru all 150+ postings of Penn and couldn't find a single badmouthing of a competitor so thers another falsehood but since you say that badmouthing a competitor is being a paid shill I have to ask the question who is paying you ljnowell to be their shill to badmouth Penn?
I find your actions and response here far more suspect than anybody elses.
In the course of going thru those responses I found one in which you actually praised Penns handling of a customer complaint and that was just recently.
So which is it? Penn is either dishonest or honest you can't have it both ways.

I did give Penn Bullets praise, once. When Robert finally took care of a customer. Not like other times when he didnt. You can try to make me look bad all you want. The fact is I am a contributing member of this forum, and have been for a few years. I have helped lots of people. You showed up and immediately starting shilling for Penn Bullets. No one needs to pay me, although when you or Bob or his buddy that stalked Missouri Bullet on the facebook page accuses us of that, its quite comical. To say that you viewed his posting is funny, those posts were deleted when the thread in question was deleted. I still have the screenshots and the PMs and if you want to those can be posted here too.

All of the people here know all about your practices, we all witnessed Bob Palermo come here and say the things he did. He created multiple accounts, which were banned by the moderators, so that he could post false comments about his competitors. He made threats to members, that are in fact documented. I still have the PMs in my inbox. The moderators and all the regulars here know all about it. I still have the screenshots from the thread that was deleted, if any of the knew members would like to see them.

Please, anyone, feel free to PM me and I will be glad to send those screenshots or the PMs from Bob Palermo so that they can read all about it.

How is TravisTwo and Leadhead doing, havent seen them in a while? Oh yeah, they got banned with bob, or you, whatever the case may be. How is your buddy Pistol Slinger? He still out there spreading his lies, or did the visit from the cops stop that?

BTW, I thought you were done with this?

Keep it up, we all find this funny. You really think you can come here and pull this stuff again and again and people wont know its you? Destroying whats left of Penn Bullets good name, not that there is that much to begin with really.

Super.45
October 13, 2011, 03:09 PM
PM inbound as I would like to see these "threats" including your responses without editing if you please.
Also please once again point out the times when Mr. Palermo did not take care of a complaint. Surely you must have that as well. I would like to see it. or is that another of your falsehoods?
I was done but you keep wanting a fight so you got one. If your not a shill even though you act like one then who desiginated you to be the head AHole to attack another on this forum who never posted anything negative about you or anyone else for that matter.
I can't address all your comments only the one that I now about from what I have read and thru personal expierance and so far at least half of your statements have been false.
You don't like being called a shill anymore than I do and remember this if nothing else is the fact that you started this BS in the first place.
I don't care how many posts you have as your whole behavior torwards me is unwarrented. Nothing I ever said in my posts gave you liscence to attack me.
I don't know or care about those other names you bandy about just mine period.
So after you send me the PMs just leave me the hell alone.

ljnowell
October 13, 2011, 03:25 PM
PM inbound as I would like to see these "threats" including your responses without editing if you please.
Also please once again point out the times when Mr. Palermo did not take care of a complaint. Surely you must have that as well. I would like to see it. or is that another of your falsehoods?
I was done but you keep wanting a fight so you got one. If your not a shill even though you act like one then who desiginated you to be the head AHole to attack another on this forum who never posted anything negative about you or anyone else for that matter.
I can't address all your comments only the one that I now about from what I have read and thru personal expierance and so far at least half of your statements have been false.
You don't like being called a shill anymore than I do and remember this if nothing else is the fact that you started this BS in the first place.
I don't care how many posts you have as your whole behavior torwards me is unwarrented. Nothing I ever said in my posts gave you liscence to attack me.
I don't know or care about those other names you bandy about just mine period.
So after you send me the PMs just leave me the hell alone.


You took it here, buddy, not me. You came to this thread and got butt hurt when the truth was told about Penn Bullets. I will not communicate with you via pm. You. or bob, or well, its probably you have already threatened to try to have me banned. You want to set me up. You have something to say, you post it here. I have nothing to prove, the proof is right there.

Super.45
October 13, 2011, 04:11 PM
I'm not butt hurt but you sure are acting that way now.
You can dish it out but you can't take it.
So according to your PM I'm not a member and you won't show me the PMs. I knew you would renigg.
Hiding, the last defense of the cowardly.
Now I am truly done with you.

ljnowell
October 13, 2011, 04:22 PM
I'm not butt hurt but you sure are acting that way now.
You can dish it out but you can't take it.
So according to your PM I'm not a member and you won't show me the PMs. I knew you would renigg.
Hiding, the last defense of the cowardly.
Now I am truly done with you.




No problem Bob! I do not consider someone who comes here to shill for a company a contributing member. I will not play into your little game of name calling so that you can post here. The truth is out there and we all know it.

I would never have my feelings hurt over such things, but then again, it isnt my business that I mismanaged until people talked about me all over the internet. I surely didn t make up fake accounts and attempt to forge a new reputation that way. I guess you seem to be awful upset about it.

Enjoy your stay at THR.

To anyone else interested, here is another of Bob Palermos workings, let me introduce TravisTwo. This thread is his very first post on THR, shilling for Penn Bullets.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=153984&highlight=penn+bullets
Notice the similarities in the linking style. Also, take a look at our friend Mr. Super45, he links he exact same way and seems to have the same mannerisms. Look through the posts of both.

Looky here, you attacking Missouri Bullet? Do you live in a glass house? Looks funny to me!
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=612470&page=2

Montana Griz
October 13, 2011, 08:13 PM
.....regarding using the .45 Colt for deer......................

Many years ago when living in Colorado (now in Montana) I loaded up several rounds for Mule Deer hunting up a canyon west of Boulder where I lived. In those days there were very few homes after you were 3 miles or more up the canyon and the Mule Deer were VERY plentyful.

Gun: a Colt SAA, 7 1/2" barrel, Serial# 82XXSA (an early 2nd generation--mfg in November 1956).

Load: 10 grains of Unique, CCI Large Pistol Primer, and a Keith Style 240gr HP,, factory sized & lubed..& mfg by "Markell Inc out of SanFrancisco"--(they've been out of business for many years.) (But.....I happen to have a box of them on my desk as I type.)

I have a picture of one muley I took with this load at about 25 yards..............the results were shocking. I was above the deer and behind it-----it was walking away from me.

I held on a spot right between his shoulders----touched 'er off and he simply fell over.

The bullet entered right between the shoulder blades....took out the spine...and exited just about dead-center of the "brisket........The exit wound (hole) was the size of a medium Orange....and the snow for about a 12 foot circle was "sprinkled" with blood, bits of flesh & bone"..........looked like a bomb went off".

Obviously a very deadly combination with a muzzle velocity of approx 1033 fps. (and this was out of a Colt SAA (not as stout as your gun). IMHO, I would not load a H.P. lead bullet for deer at close range(just too destructive).........the same Keith Style bullet but not a H.P. would be a good choice for a deer from 35 out to about 85 yards. Just my opinion.

ljnowell
October 13, 2011, 08:26 PM
.....regarding using the .45 Colt for deer......................

Many years ago when living in Colorado (now in Montana) I loaded up several rounds for Mule Deer hunting up a canyon west of Boulder where I lived. In those days there were very few homes after you were 3 miles or more up the canyon and the Mule Deer were VERY plentyful.

Gun: a Colt SAA, 7 1/2" barrel, Serial# 82XXSA (an early 2nd generation--mfg in November 1956).

Load: 10 grains of Unique, CCI Large Pistol Primer, and a Keith Style 240gr HP,, factory sized & lubed..& mfg by "Markell Inc out of SanFrancisco"--(they've been out of business for many years.) (But.....I happen to have a box of them on my desk as I type.)

I have a picture of one muley I took with this load at about 25 yards..............the results were shocking. I was above the deer and behind it-----it was walking away from me.

I held on a spot right between his shoulders----touched 'er off and he simply fell over.

The bullet entered right between the shoulder blades....took out the spine...and exited just about dead-center of the "brisket........The exit wound (hole) was the size of a medium Orange....and the snow for about a 12 foot circle was "sprinkled" with blood, bits of flesh & bone"..........looked like a bomb went off".

Obviously a very deadly combination with a muzzle velocity of approx 1033 fps. (and this was out of a Colt SAA (not as stout as your gun). IMHO, I would not load a H.P. lead bullet for deer at close range(just too destructive).........the same Keith Style bullet but not a H.P. would be a good choice for a deer from 35 out to about 85 yards. Just my opinion.

Thanks for the input! Real world use is most important. I have decided to stick with the Missouri Bullet 255gr SWC over a stout charge of 2400. I think it will knock bambi's socks off.

TommyD45
October 13, 2011, 09:14 PM
I have had good luck with Montana Bullet Works. They use the authentic LBT molds. The WFN profile is supposed to be VERY effective on game. I find the heavier (300+ grains) are more accurate in my revolvers than the lighter 250-260 grainers. Order gas check bullets for the higher pressure loads.

http://montanabulletworks.com/45_Colt.html

Tom

ljnowell
October 13, 2011, 09:23 PM
I have had good luck with Montana Bullet Works. They use the authentic LBT molds. The WFN profile is supposed to be VERY effective on game. I find the heavier (300+ grains) are more accurate in my revolvers than the lighter 250-260 grainers. Order gas check bullets for the higher pressure loads.

http://montanabulletworks.com/45_Colt.html

Tom

Those are some mean looking bullets! I would imagine they would be more than effective.

Arkansas Paul
October 13, 2011, 11:19 PM
I have decided to stick with the Missouri Bullet 255gr SWC over a stout charge of 2400. I think it will knock bambi's socks off.


I think you're right my friend.
Hopefully we'll both be successful and can compare notes before the season is over.
Happy hunting.

ljnowell
October 13, 2011, 11:31 PM
I think you're right my friend.
Hopefully we'll both be successful and can compare notes before the season is over.
Happy hunting.

I hope so! 2400 has never let me down, its made my most accurate loads in 357 and 45 colt. I couldnt recomend it quick enough to you when you first started loading for your blackhawk.

suzukisam
October 13, 2011, 11:52 PM
I load mo bullets and hornady xtps with 2400, if you load them stout you'll be fine.. 2400 likes to burn hot... My 7.5" BH in colt 45 is scary accurate for a handgun... it shoots really scary with the 250 grain MO pinbusters I think is the one I use for target

ljnowell
October 13, 2011, 11:57 PM
I load mo bullets and hornady xtps with 2400, if you load them stout you'll be fine.. 2400 likes to burn hot... My 7.5" BH in colt 45 is scary accurate for a handgun... it shoots really scary with the 250 grain MO pinbusters I think is the one I use for target

I have a 7.5" model BH also. I can tell you that gun is scary accurate with the Missouri Bullet 255gr SWC and the 300gr LTC.

I really even though about using the 300gr bullets I have. I figured the profile of the 255 would be worth more than the 45gr of the 300.

Any thoughts on that anyone?

bds
October 16, 2011, 08:45 PM
I'm not butt hurt but you sure are acting that way now.
You can dish it out but you can't take it.
So according to your PM I'm not a member and you won't show me the PMs. I knew you would renigg.
Hiding, the last defense of the cowardly.
Oh my. Super.45, with all due respect, whether you are who ljnowell claim to be, there is a more fundamental issue that should be taken into consideration.

THR is a public forum among many other internet forums run by Admins/Moderators who impose rules specific to each forum category. To be honest, I have been to forums where anarchy admins/moderators ruled whether they were right or wrong. If you disagreed, you got kicked and/or banned, sometimes for life. It's their forum and they can allow/ban whoever/whatever they want. They are not bound to act as police/judges to take sides as to who is right. That simply doesn't exist on internet forums ... just forum rules.

Many have disagreed, but for me, THR Admins/Mods for the most part do a good job of keeping the discussions civil/cordial and on track pertinent to the discussion category. If a thread drifts too much or violates the forum rules, they will caution or lock the thread. Simple.

What I suggested to the vendor in question last year was this. Product review and user experience posting on public forums are like bread and butter. Due to ease of internet postings, consumers who had bad experience with a vendor will often want the world to know what happened to them. Equally, I see most people post positive experiences with vendors, even with problems, as to how the problems were resolved. The speed and ease of internet forum postings increase transparency of customer/vendor exchanges ... it's simply the natural progression of how business is done in 2011. I now frequently check Amazon customer reviews and make my purchases based on positive/negative reviews. I do not want to have bad experiences as I have better things to do with my life/time.

If a vendor wants to increase exposure and improve review ratings, they simply have to provide the goods and services to their customers' satisfaction. That's it. If the customers are happy, trust me, they will share their experience with others.

There are many threads that discuss "my such and such equipment has this problem" but the poster go on to post how the company resolved the problem in his/her favor. Often the vendor did not need to do anything as the problem was not the fault of the vendor, but often, the vendor goes above and beyond the warranty requirement and resolve the problem for the customer.

When Lee insisted they send me a broken decapper pin for a rifle die that I managed to destroy, I wondered why they would do this. What I realized is that many companies run advertising budget on TV/magazines/internet/etc. Compared to the expensive advertising budget, shipping of a part that costs a few dollars may result in online forum word-of-mouth that is often priceless. I wonder how big the market share Lee Precision has? :D

Sorry for the thread hi-jack ... back to OP!

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