Advice sought, Too Much Ammo


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jfremder
October 13, 2011, 08:42 AM
My cousin's declining health and finances forced liquidation of a life long collection of firearms over the last year or two. I facilitated the weapon disposition, very sucessfully on Gunbroker. I'm left with many, many thousands of rounds of hand loaded ammo, to dispose of in dozens of calibers both Rifle and Pistol.

I reload, but only shoot a couple of his calibers. I'm also VERY concerned about anyone shooting someone else's handloads. Disassembling the ammo is VERY time consuming, with an impact puller or collet puller. While I hold an FFL, I'm aware I can not sell manufactured ammo. I believe selling primed brass would be OK?

Some of this pistol ammo is less than mainstream; .45GAP, .45 AUTO Rimmed, .38 Super, .357 Sig etc. plus all the standards

Rifle calibers are also wide range, .264 WIN MAG, 38-40, .25-06, 7MM-08, 35REM, .270 WSM plus all the standards too.

Nothing less than 500 rounds per caliber, many are 2-3k or more.

I'd like to turn this ammo collection into ca$h which he can really use, but don't have the time or patience to pull all the components.

I'm open to suggestions...

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RandyP
October 13, 2011, 08:51 AM
You could try Gunbroker or something? Personally I would NEVER buy or shoot anyone else's home reloads. I'm OK with FFL licensed remanufactured stuff.

Drail
October 13, 2011, 10:30 AM
Like FFL licensed remanufactured ammo (I'm not even sure what that MEANS or if there is even such a thing) couldn't possibly be over charged or have any squibs? Like having a license means you can't produce defective stuff. Heck, factory produced ammunition today has so many defects I have given up on them.

RandyP
October 13, 2011, 10:49 AM
To be in the business of making and selling ammunition, reloaded or all new components, requires an FFL to start in addition to a number of other legal and protection hoops that require jumping. That is what I meant by "FFL licensed".

Most folks realize that you just can't buy a Dillon and start selling the reloads. (Well you 'can' but you can end up in deep feces).

I honestly thought the FFL BATFE involvement was common knowledge and I'll take the blame for 'assuming' - lol.

Mike1234567
October 13, 2011, 11:24 AM
Is it legal to trade the ammo instead of sell it?

amlevin
October 13, 2011, 11:30 AM
Why not just pay the $30 and add the "06" to your FFL?

There are those that will buy it and shoot it and those that may just buy it and separate it into components. Either way you can turn it into "bucks" for a real small investment.

Just make the purchaser sign a waiver that states they realize this is loaded ammo which is inherently dangerous and they accept all risks.

rcmodel
October 13, 2011, 11:45 AM
You don't need an 06 FFL manufactures license to sell someones elses estate sale reloads.

Unless you are manufacturing ammo for profit in a busness venture, you are fine selling it.

The ATF FAQ says:
(H4)Q. Is a person who reloads ammunition required to be licensed as a manufacturer?

A. Yes, if the person engages in the business of selling or distributing reloads for the purpose of livelihood and profit.
No, if the person reloads only for personal use.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a) (i) and 923(a), 27 CFR 478.41]

I would suggest you advertise & sell it "As is - For components break-down Only".

rc

rjrivero
October 13, 2011, 12:00 PM
I'd be interested in the .45 Auto rimmed. If you're interested in selling, please contact me.

Thanks in advance.

RJ

RandyP
October 13, 2011, 12:36 PM
We have two separate discussions going in this thread. What you need to do to run the business of manufacturing and selling reloads and for the OP how he can privately sell off ammo of unknown construction.

I never suggested he couldn't offer it somewhere for sale, I just said I and perhaps many others would not buy unknown quality reloads which increases the difficulty in getting some cash value for his cousin.

Mike1234567
October 13, 2011, 01:05 PM
PM sent...

beatledog7
October 13, 2011, 01:34 PM
Like FFL licensed remanufactured ammo (I'm not even sure what that MEANS or if there is even such a thing) couldn't possibly be over charged or have any squibs?

I fired a lot of mixed headstamp Georgia Arms factory reloads in handgun calibers before I started rolling my own, and I still have a lot of them. IIRC, not one has ever failed in any way, and they're as consistently accurate as I am consistently able to prove it.

I have had a handful of factory rounds fail to fire in my Savage .223 bolt, and a handful of factory 9mm failures to feed in my CZ 75. I'm more confident of GA rounds than I am in any bulk factory load. I don't reload 9mm, so I'll probably pick-up an ammo can of GA 9mm JHPs at the next show I attend.

Deavis
October 13, 2011, 10:47 PM
Just be honest and post it on Gunbroker. Some people may take it for components and others may be okay with it. Talk to your cousin, if he kept good records you may be able to post the information.

ArchAngelCD
October 14, 2011, 12:49 AM
I would suggest selling the reloaded ammo as is but not as ammo, but as ammo meant for reloading components. Describe what brass, primer, bullet and powder makes up the reloads and sell the ammo for components only. Let the buyer take the rounds apart if they wish to. I think that way it's completely legal and no one has to worry about shooting reloads from someone else.

I'm sorry about your cousin's health problems.

FROGO207
October 14, 2011, 04:02 PM
Yeah advertise it as for components only---unknown reloads that may not be safe. State in the ad that buying from you signifies that you are aware of the possibility that the ammo is defective and has to be broken down for components if purchased. Then sell for the value of components only. You could advertise on the trading post here. A lot of people would like to get the components I am sure. For me I would not mind having to make Mexican Match ammo from a stash of unknown quality ammo or just add the propellant that works best in my firearms and scrap the propellant as most of the work is already done.:D

Yes it is sad that the reason for the sale is health problems of someone specially a relative. :(

dnmccoy
October 14, 2011, 04:07 PM
Where are you located?

jfremder
October 14, 2011, 05:05 PM
Where are you located?
SE Wisconsin

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