Petition to remove restrictions on short barrel rifles and shotguns.


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Kush
October 14, 2011, 12:13 AM
A petition on whitehouse.gov to remove restrictions on short barrel rifles and shotguns:

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petition-tool/petition/lead-way-removing-arbitrarily-designated-short-barreled-rifles-and-shotguns-national-firearms-act/Zc2GTB4c

EDIT:

Oops meant to post this in the activism forum not the activism discussion and planning.

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alsaqr
October 14, 2011, 07:37 AM
The white house cannot unilaterally remove the restrictions on SBR/SBS. It's codified in federal law. Contact your congressman and ask him to propose legislation changing the National Firearms Act.

Kush
October 14, 2011, 02:11 PM
No, but the president can say that he wants it, then congress writes a bill on it and passes it, like his health care bill.

WardenWolf
October 14, 2011, 09:50 PM
This President is just as likely to ask them to change the law to require all machine guns and other NFA devices be forfeited. Is this really the administration you want to push this under? Even if it passed Congress it would almost assuredly be vetoed.

TexasBill
October 15, 2011, 01:34 AM
The real question is whether any administration, Democrat, Republican, or vegetarian, would push removal of the restrictions. Perhaps modifying them to allow ownership of the 14-inch-barreled shotguns used by law enforcement would politically possible (it could be presented as allowing LEOs to own them as personal weapons).

Right now, the President is in a position where he doesn't want to alienate any more voters than he already has. While neither party wants to admit it, Congress is in the same boat: their approval ratings are even lower than Obama's.

We all know Obama is not pro-gun and Eric Holder has gone off the deep end in his efforts. However, Obama is still a very bright politician and knows that gun control issues are losers for him. He needs what political capital he still has for more pressing business.

heiliggeiste
October 15, 2011, 08:07 PM
Even if it was passed or removed on the Federal Level, you would still have to have States remove it from State Law.

Owen Sparks
January 20, 2012, 01:26 AM
Wait until we get a better president.

Neverwinter
January 20, 2012, 02:37 AM
A petition on whitehouse.gov to remove restrictions on short barrel rifles and shotguns:

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petition-tool/petition/lead-way-removing-arbitrarily-designated-short-barreled-rifles-and-shotguns-national-firearms-act/Zc2GTB4c

EDIT:

Oops meant to post this in the activism forum not the activism discussion and planning.
Not to rain on the parade, but given the responses to the last few successful petitions I would not expect much beyond a brush off or posting of scientific inaccuracies to support the status quo.

alsaqr
January 20, 2012, 09:00 AM
It's easy, just find a gun friendly congressman to sponsor the legislation. Better idea yet, have him sponsor a bill eliminating the GCA 1968. Surely lots of pro-gunners in congress are willing to do that. :D

kennyb313
January 20, 2012, 11:19 AM
Just pay the $200 tax!

MikeRussell
January 20, 2012, 11:54 AM
Just pay the $200 tax!

Just pay the tax enacted by the Stamp Act.

Sounds pretty familiar. There are too many taxes and too many government restrictions in our lives already...we need to get rid of as many as we can.

Neverwinter
January 21, 2012, 03:41 PM
Just pay the tax enacted by the Stamp Act.
That really isn't a comparable example, given that the primary objection was taxation without representation. The states did have representation when the NFA tax was instituted. That's misguided rhetoric.

Strykervet
January 22, 2012, 10:07 PM
Yeah, but the way this thing works is that if he doesn't like it, nothing happens. There were a lot of petitions that got a LOT of signatures that he didn't address. The whole thing was a sham, just a stunt to make you THINK you were getting grievances addressed. Would have been pretty cool had he manned up to it and gave the people what they wanted whether or not it conflicted with his or his party's ideals.

It is essentially what congress is supposed to do, but those sellouts don't really work for us anymore. I can't forsee it getting overturned in my lifetime short of a big change in DC. It'd be nice though. The $200 fee isn't really the issue, the highly inflated prices are.

kozak6
January 23, 2012, 07:22 AM
The petition you are trying to access has expired, because it failed to meet the signature threshold.

Hmm.

These petitions as a general concept are fascinating. Have any of them at all, firearm related or not, reached any significant threshold?

Sam Cade
January 23, 2012, 02:37 PM
Hmm.

These petitions as a general concept are fascinating. Have any of them at all, firearm related or not, reached any significant threshold?

No, since there is no mechanism for the petition to acquire legal weight. These petitions are just a tool to dissipate political dissatisfaction.

"I did my part, I signed a PETITION."


The best case scenario is this:
If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure itís sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.

So... yeah, it is a waste of time.
On-line petitions are not a valid way to leverage your social capital.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_petition

RhinoDefense
January 23, 2012, 02:41 PM
No, petitions are stupid and online petitions even more so.

Jim K
January 23, 2012, 04:13 PM
IIRC, the President sneered at the "little people out there clinging to their guns and their religion." He, like many "progressives" claiming to be populist, has an abiding hatred of what he considers low class scum and he is much more likely to support a ban on both guns and religion (other than Islam) than to relax any current restrictions.

Jim

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