12ga revolver?


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BCRider
October 14, 2011, 03:10 AM
So the joke thread about the .50bmg revolver got me thinking along silly lines about the idea of a 12ga shotgun revolver. Of course that got me thinking about the Russian 5 shot 12ga revolver shotgun that I'd give a seldom used body part to get. Which got me to wondering about the idea of a 12ga handgun revolver.

I base this on having shot a short barrel shotgun from the hip and currently working on a pistol grip SxS sawed off "pirate" gun for S&G's in Cowboy Action. So I can actually see a 12ga handgun as being reasonably viable. In practice it wouldn't be any worse than shooting a .500 S&W. And obviously it would be as long but likely deeper and a little heavier back around the cylinder and frame.

I'd want to limit it to trap loads or "controlled recoil" buck. But MAN! What a blast such a gun would be.

Comments? Or should I just self admit myself to the Retreat for Crazy Inventor's Asylum?

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Ash_J_Williams
October 14, 2011, 03:18 AM
Somewhere between 10" and 14" it'd be pretty accurate, I believe, and I'd want a single action to avoid double firing.

ugaarguy
October 14, 2011, 05:46 AM
There's always the Pfeifer Waffen Zeliska revolver in .600 NE - http://www.tonyrogers.com/weapons/pfeifer-zeliska.htm. Kynoch has ammo in stock too. It's just $180 per 5 cartridges - http://www.kynochusa.com/Cartridges.html.

Sam1911
October 14, 2011, 09:36 AM
File a Form 1 to make a Title II Any Other Weapon, and see what they say. It would either be that or a Large Bore Destructive Device, but once they figure out which they want to call it, I'd imagine they would issue the tax stamp.

Do you have the skills to build a revolver? Or a SOT 02 manufacturer in mind to do it for you?

BCRider
October 14, 2011, 06:00 PM
Sam, this is just blue sky'ing. I'm decently capable at metal working but I know my limits. It's more a case of wondering if such a beast would be useable without busting wrists and who all would like to see such a thing. No intent to go into production any time soon... :D

Call it a mental design exercise to see if it COULD be built and not be so large that it would be totally unuseable.

Seamore2001
October 14, 2011, 06:10 PM
Here you go:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/09/29/massive-homemade-12-gauge-revolver/

At 11 pounds, the recoil probably won't break your wrist, though I suspect you'll want to use a two-handed grip.

rcmodel
October 14, 2011, 06:11 PM
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Beretta-revolver-shotgun-taiwan-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2010/02/09/beretta-revolver-shotgun-taiwan-edition/&h=369&w=600&sz=35&tbnid=NIIUmOUhfEm4cM:&tbnh=76&tbnw=123&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drevolver%2Bshotgun%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=revolver+shotgun&docid=QGneVvynkrjxIM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=M6WYTpv3KsapsQKbqPnMBA&ved=0CC4Q9QEwAg

So the question isn't if it can be done.

The question is how many cows would have to die to make a holster for it?

rc

Mike1234567
October 14, 2011, 06:35 PM
So the question isn't if it can be done. The question is how many cows would have to die to make a holster for it?

Just one... but it's a 12ga cow!!

BCRider
October 15, 2011, 12:29 AM
Well... that's ugly..... :D

At least I know it CAN be done now. As for recoil we don't need an 11 lb weight to soak up target or reduced recoil buck or slugs. I figure something around 4'ish lbs would make anything that comes out of 2 3/4 shells manageable... unless there's some turkey loads that come in that size.

I'm kind of noodling around in the CAD program I use for drawing. I'll post up after I get something that looks semi workable.

Like I say though, unless some big gun maker sees something they like and buys my concept off me this'll never see physical form. Far, far too many other projects competing for my time.

PS: to any gun makers out there please be aware that I work for cheap and can be bought for very little.... :D

ugaarguy
October 15, 2011, 02:09 AM
And another:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/10/11/ots-62-12-gauge-service-revolver-shotgun/

Lawdawg45
October 15, 2011, 09:18 AM
" Which got me to wondering about the idea of a 12ga handgun revolver."

Give Taurus a couple of years to work on it! :p

LD

BCRider
October 15, 2011, 01:10 PM
That Firearm Blog one actually looks pretty good. And it's far more in line with what the weight should be. I'd be a bit worried about the side flash though. I believe the regular shoulder version has a bit of a shield to deflect or dissapate the side blast. I don't see that on this revolver. Might need to wear a welder's apron while shooting it from the hip.... :D

Lost Sheep
October 15, 2011, 08:48 PM
How about a 500 S&W double barrel pistol, over/under to keep the holster flat.

This would be for bear protection in the woods. I expect to get only enough time for two shots anyway.

I think a side break (like the top break on a typical side-by-side double shotgun turned 90 degrees) would be better than the typical over/under style.

Lost Sheep

Ash_J_Williams
October 16, 2011, 01:29 AM
There's always the Pfeifer Waffen Zeliska revolver in .600 NE - http://www.tonyrogers.com/weapons/pfeifer-zeliska.htm. Kynoch has ammo in stock too. It's just $180 per 5 cartridges - http://www.kynochusa.com/Cartridges.html.

I have serious doubts about the comfort level a guy has with his manhood who'd spend that kind of money on a handgun, and ammunition for it, and isn't hunting HUGE game.

ugaarguy
October 16, 2011, 05:00 AM
I have serious doubts about the comfort level a guy has with his manhood who'd spend that kind of money on a handgun, and ammunition for it, and isn't hunting HUGE game.
If I had a grossly large disposable income I might buy one for just for the novelty & engineering. If I was hunting huge game I'd use an appropriate rifle, which would be much more practical.

Ash_J_Williams
October 16, 2011, 12:40 PM
If I had a grossly large disposable income I might buy one for just for the novelty & engineering. If I was hunting huge game I'd use an appropriate rifle, which would be much more practical.

Agreed. It'd be fun to have, but even if I had a lot of disposable income, I'd feel stupid literally blowing away my money on those cartridges. The only reason I could see using it for very large game would be if you really wanted even MORE of a challenge... You know, as if hunting dangerous large game isn't enough.

Quiet
October 16, 2011, 12:59 PM
Any firearm with a bore greater than .5" is a destructive device (DD), unless the BATFE exempts it. [18 USC 921 (a)(4)(B)]

The Armsel Striker, Protecta & Protecta Bulldog and their variants (Sentinel Arms Striker-12 and Cobray/SWD Streetsweeper) are banned from importation into the USA due to being classified as DDs.

However, one could make a version of the Armsel Protecta Bulldog (7.5" barrel with no shoulder stock) in the USA as an AOW.

BCRider
October 17, 2011, 01:33 AM
Up here in Canada we don't have such a rule. I'm not sure why since we have more rules about firearms than almost all of the US states which layer over the federal laws. I'm not sure if our politicals just missed this issue or what.

Lone Sheep. The only trouble with a side break would be the fairly big and lumpy hinge on the side. Think SxS shotgun turned sideways to see what I mean. Granted it could be slimmed up somewhat. But not by enough to truly make it compact.

Besides, anything that shoots a .500S&W round has to be heavy enough to avoid the recoil from busting the shooter's wrist. Even the S&W500 with the 4 inch barrel and compensator is a formidable hunk o' iron with a weight of 56 oz. And having shot a longer barrel 599 and a 5 inch barrel 460 I'm not sure I'd want a 4 inch barrel 500 be be much lighter. So either way I can't see such a beast sitting slim like or lightly on our waist.

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