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dnmccoy
October 16, 2011, 02:52 PM
Looking at ordering 1000 of the Xtreme 9mm plated bullets, just not sure if I should go with the 115gr or the 124gr for 4$ more. Ammo is only for plinking and punching paper.Only powder I have at the moment is W231 so any powder recomendations are welcomed!Thanks!

ETA its for a Glock 19

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bds
October 16, 2011, 03:01 PM
Go with the heavier 124 gr bullet for lighter target/plinking reloads.

X-Treme bullets are sized at .355" and if your barrel is oversized (.356"+), you may have issues generating consistent chamber pressures with lighter target/plinking powder charges.

Also, if you have stiffer recoil spring semi-autos, you'll end up pushing the lighter 115 gr bullet to high-near max load data of W231/HP-38, even with .355" groove diameter barrels.

With the heavier 124 gr bullet, you'll get reliable cycling of the slide even with start-mid range load data.

For me accuracy is everything, even for plinking rounds. I use high-max load data to obtain acceptable accuracy with 115 gr bullets. With 124 gr bullet, I get accuracy from start charge.

rcmodel
October 16, 2011, 03:03 PM
I voted 124, although I shoot both.

I have a couple of fixed sight guns that shoot POA with 124's and low with 115's.

The higher cost of the 124 is somewhat off-set by the use of less powder with the heavier bullet.
Perhaps 0.5 grain less per round.
Or a free one every 7 rounds or so.

W-231 is a great choice for either one.

rc

zxcvbob
October 16, 2011, 03:11 PM
Does Titegroup work OK with plated bullets? I have some Berry's 124 grain HP's that won't feed in my Hi-Power, and about 2 or 3 ounces of TG powders. Thought I'd use them up loading some practice ammo for my new Walther P1.

I normally load 135 grain LRN bullets with a +P charge of Bullseye, but I don't want to run anything that snappy in the P1. And with a 5" barrel it shouldn't need hot loads anyway.

Back to the original question, Bullseye and Green Dot work great, and 231 should also be a really good one but I haven't tried it yet.

dnmccoy
October 16, 2011, 03:13 PM
edited

bds
October 16, 2011, 03:24 PM
Does Titegroup work OK with plated bullets?
Actually for me, Bullseye and Titegroup produced slightly more accurate shot groups (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7266869#post7266869) than W231/HP-38. But I like the milder recoil of W231/HP-38 mid-high range load data loads over more snappier loads of even faster burning powders.

Green Dot worked well but required about .2 gr more powder charge than W231/HP-38 for comparable performance. If you are looking for economy plinking loads, Promo is hard to beat (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=518185).

Also, if you slug your barrel and it turns out to be oversized, Berry's and PowerBond plated bullets are sized larger at .3555"-.356" and will help with any accuracy issue, especially at target/plinking load range.

For me, faster burning powders (Bullseye, Promo, Titegroup, Green Dot, W231/HP-38, etc.) have worked well for lighter target/plinking loads while producing very good accuracy.

Redneck with a 40
October 16, 2011, 04:58 PM
I use 115's with Unique because they are the cheapest. $79/1000 at tjconevera.

dnmccoy
October 16, 2011, 05:38 PM
I just found Precision Delta has 1000 124gr FMJ for 84$ shipped, I may check into those!

GCBurner
October 16, 2011, 05:39 PM
For plinking and practice reloads, I generally use the 115 grain plated, just because it's cheaper.

bds
October 16, 2011, 06:03 PM
I just found Precision Delta has 1000 124gr FMJ for 84$ shipped, I may check into those!
Huh? That's not what their website shows http://www.precisiondelta.com/product.php?indx=5

B-9-115-FMJ 9mm Luger 115gr FMJ .355 diam. $76.00 (Price Includes Shipping)

B-9-124-FMJ 9mm Luger 124gr FMJ .355 diam. $79.00 (Price Includes Shipping)

dnmccoy
October 16, 2011, 06:17 PM
You have to add 5$ to those proces unless you order at least 2,000. So 1,000 124gr would be 84$ shipped

PO2Hammer
October 16, 2011, 06:26 PM
Flat points have always seemed more accurate in my Glocks. (More bearing surface?)

jfrey
October 16, 2011, 06:55 PM
I just use the Berry's 115 gr. round nose for plinking, over 5.0 gr. WSF. I used to use Unique but the WSF load is more accurate in my G19.

1SOW
October 16, 2011, 09:47 PM
I you "plink" for accuracy or hitting bullseyes, I have better results with 124 gr in three 9mm steel/metal pistols.

Zero 125 JHPs and Berry's 124 HBRN have longer bearing surfaces and produce my best on-target groups. These two don't have to be loaded so short in my short-chambered CZ's. The Berry's can be loaded to any oal your mags will handle best.

Walkalong
October 16, 2011, 09:56 PM
I have better results with 124 gr in three 9mm steel/metal pistolsBoth of mine prefer 124/5's. One is dramatic. Never tried 147's.

oldreloader
October 17, 2011, 01:12 AM
I prefer the 125 lead (not plated to save even more money). They shoot great for me. MBC has a LSWC in 9MM that I have good luck with using 5 gr AA#5..

J_McLeod
October 17, 2011, 01:17 AM
Also, if you have stiffer recoil spring semi-autos, you'll end up pushing the lighter 115 gr bullet to high-near max load data of W231/HP-38, even with .355" groove diameter barrels.

With the heavier 124 gr bullet, you'll get reliable cycling of the slide even with start-mid range load data.

For me accuracy is everything, even for plinking rounds. I use high-max load data to obtain acceptable accuracy with 115 gr bullets. With 124 gr bullet, I get accuracy from start charge.

I've noticed the same thing. I worked up a load with 115gr CMJ today, and the best accuracy was .2gr short of max.

ArchAngelCD
October 17, 2011, 01:26 AM
I personally like 124gr bullets over 115gr bullets.

If you load plated bullets to lead bullet data you will get a really n1ce plinking load using 4.0gr W231. If you're looking for more velocity you can go up to 4.4gr W231.

beatledog7
October 17, 2011, 01:36 AM
I voted 115 gr because for me plinking = cheap. I don't reload 9mm as of now, but the manuals seem to all agree that 231 is a good choice. I'm a Bullseye fan for pistol handloading.

dickttx
October 17, 2011, 10:11 AM
Does Precision Delta charge the $5.00 fee (for under 2,000) for the $18.00 sample packs?

john16443
October 17, 2011, 04:09 PM
Does Precision Delta charge the $5.00 fee (for under 2,000) for the $18.00 sample packs?
No they don't, I just received a sample pack of the 115 FMJ and 124 JHP's for a total of $36. No additional shipping.

Cherokee
October 17, 2011, 04:09 PM
I use 231 and AA5 for 115 jacketed in 9mm with good results.

birdshot1911
October 17, 2011, 08:46 PM
I have just started reloading and I am currently using UNIQUE powder just to start off. I am getting 500 free bullets from buying a Hornady Lock N Load AP but i went out and got 250 115 grain hollow points. I did a video on them on YouTube my username is birdshot1911 if anyone wants to check it out. Hickok45 gave me a shout-out and my channel has been growing greatly ever since.

BeerSleeper
October 18, 2011, 08:39 AM
How many are in the sample pack? 100?

squarles67
October 18, 2011, 11:30 AM
I've also had good luck with AA#5 in 9mm.

I tried Unique, Titegroup, HP38 and Bullseye also but AA#5 worked the best for me, YMMV.

mgmorden
October 18, 2011, 11:32 AM
I've shot lots of both. I tend to prefer 124grn these days. 115grn seems to impact a little too low, and loaded to equal power factors the recoil on the 124grn is a little softer. In most of my guns 124grn bullets just seem to group a little better too.

I'm not staunch on it though. If I found a particularly good deal on 115grn bullets I'd buy and shoot them, but for only $4/1000 in savings I'll opt for the 124's.

As to Titegroup with plated bullets - I shot through 1000 Rainier 115grn plated 9mm, 500 of their 124grn 9mm, and 500 125grn .38 Special all loaded with Titegroup - never had any issues. I'd find something slower burning for pure lead, but for plated TG works just fine.

Also have cooked up loads with Bullseye and Unique that worked well too. Those three and AA #9 (which I don't use for 9mm - it's my 7.62x25 powder) are the only pistol powders on my bench.

dnmccoy
October 31, 2011, 11:15 AM
quick update, I ordered the 124gr and got them in this morning. Does anyone have any pet loads for 231 or should I look around for another powder. I cant find alot of published load data for 231 and plated bullets so any advice will help

bds
October 31, 2011, 11:53 AM
Great!

For plated bullets sized same as jacketed (.355"), I tend to use jacketed load data for accuracy and for larger sized plated bullets (.3555"-.356"), I tend to use lead load data or start-to-mid range jacketed load data.

Typically for W231/HP-38 and 124/125 gr RN plated bullets, I would start with 4.0 gr at 1.125"-1.135" and work up towards 4.4, gr (but depending on the nose profile, use the barrel drop test to determine Max OAL and function check with manual feed/chamber from the magazine to determine Ideal OAL).

jeepmor
November 3, 2011, 02:23 AM
If you carry that same gun, match the weight to your CCW round. If not, whatever you like. I've had great experience with Xtreme bullets, no complaints.

GLOOB
November 3, 2011, 06:10 AM
I've somehow got stuck on 124 gr bullets, cause I read somewhere that Glock 9mm's were designed specifically to shoot 124 gr NATO ammo. But I wish I never read that. I'm pretty sure if I started out with 115 gr bullets I would never have had any complaints. And I'd have saved more than a few bucks by now.

My pet load for HP38 is 4.8 gr behind a 124 gr Berry's out of a G19. Actually, anything over 4.4 worked pretty good, IIRC. Any less and cycling became iffy.

I wouldn't get too hung up on finding max OAL for a Glock 9mm (unless you want to go off the charts in search of maximum velocity). Glock 9mm's have a bottomless pit of a leade. If you seat to max OAL, your loads will be monstrously long, incompatible with almost all other guns, and you'll use more powder than needed for your plinking loads. You might also eventually run into a failure to feed due to sticking in the mag, if you push it. If it's in a book, add 10 thou to the min OAL to cover variation in your seating depth, and it'll still fit in a Glock.

I used to make 2 kinds of 9mm. One for Glocks, and one for my other two 9mm handguns. But eventually made 'em all "normal" OAL. Still do, even though I sold all my other 9's.

dnmccoy
November 3, 2011, 01:44 PM
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p216/dnmccoy/355e3f0a.jpg

Arnt they purty?! Im pretty impressed with the looks ox the xtreme, and out of the 50 or so I weighed, all were within +/- .3 grain :)

Fishslayer
November 3, 2011, 03:45 PM
MMMMMMMMMMMM..... Boolit pr0n! :D

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p216/dnmccoy/355e3f0a.jpg

Deavis
November 3, 2011, 05:47 PM
115s, use the savings to buy more bullets.

Strykervet
November 3, 2011, 06:35 PM
I use 5.8gr. 3N37 under a 124gr. Rainier RN. My 17L shoots ragged holes with it at close range.

dnmccoy
November 3, 2011, 08:15 PM
I have seen alot of different loading data but nothing for the 231. Im not opposed to using a different powder, just looking for reliable load data

razorback2003
November 3, 2011, 08:27 PM
I use Unique powder with cast 125 grain bullets I bought at Sportsman's Warehouse. I got my load data out of a Lyman handgun cartridge book. I don't know how close to cast or jacketed you would have to measure your powder for plated bullets.

1SOW
November 5, 2011, 03:12 AM
Look at posts 2, 3, 6, 18 and two more.
Berry's (.356"plated bullets) recommends to start at the low-to-mid range of published load data for FMJ bullets of the same type and weight.

Using lead published data can get you there as mentioned above. Start lower-midrange and work up.

Most any plated .355/.356 bullet would be safe to load at the low end of 231/HP38 load data for FMJ of the same weight and type.

There is A LOT of Win 231/HP38 data in the load manuals for 124gr jacketed bullets. Some have plated loads, so compare the loads to get an idea how plated compares to FMJ loads of the same type and weight bullet..

dickttx
November 6, 2011, 08:48 AM
I ordered 1K of 115gn and 1K of 124gn jacketed from Precision Delta a couple of weeks ago. I loaded 15 of the 124gn with 4.5gn HP38 and tried them last Thursday. Liked the results. They pretty well centered on a 3" target with a 6 O'clock hold. The 115gn Rainier plated I had been using required a 12 O'clock hold to shoot at that POI.
I loaded the other 85 in the box and will try them today. Used a 1.14 OAL but loaded 10 with a 1.09 OAL to test today.

dickttx
November 6, 2011, 02:26 PM
Tried the 124gn PD's at 1.09 OAL this morning. Didn't group near as well as the 1.14 OAL. Looks like I will use 4.5gn HP38 at 1.14. Really nice load. My shooting was at 8 yds.

dnmccoy
November 24, 2011, 11:47 AM
A final update for now.

I made up 4 different test loads using AA#2 and WIN231 to test at the range
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p216/dnmccoy/c47ccd78.jpg

And decided on the following after making ragged holes:

4.2gr W231 with mixed hs and CCI primers at 1.15

Heres the first batch of 500!
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p216/dnmccoy/736d982f.jpg

rfwobbly
November 24, 2011, 12:08 PM
I have some Berry's 124 grain HP's that won't feed in my Hi-Power, and about 2 or 3 ounces of TG powders.

It's the larger flatted point not being able to ride up the feed ramp. I have the same issue with these bullets in my Kimber 1911. That, and side-by-side target tests with the rest of Berry's 124gr range prove to me that this is Berry's worst performing 124gr.

Older design guns like the HiPower and 1911 are going to prefer a RN. Try the Berry 124gr RN Hollow Base which has the extended bearing surface and the RN.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rGbGuDp4IFo/TX6ioh4MFUI/AAAAAAAACM4/16LU6BW5LFs/s800/IMG_4301.JPG

Walkalong
November 24, 2011, 07:22 PM
I have some Berry's 124 grain HP's that won't feed in my Hi-PowerThey can be finicky in some guns. I too have had great success with the new 124 Gr HBRN Berrys offering.

littlebob3
November 24, 2011, 08:13 PM
9mm Luger

115 gr lead bullet
Bullseye start 4 grs max 4.5 grs
Unique start 4.5 max 5 grs
Power Pistol start 5 grs max 5.5 grs

115 gr jacketed bullet
Bullseye start 4 grs max 4.5 grs
Unique start 4.5 grs max 5.5 grs
Power Pistol start 5.9 grs max 6.3 grs

124/125 gr lead
Bullseye start 3.8 grs max 4.3 grs
Unique start 4 grs max 4.5 grs
Power Pistol start 4.8 grs max 5.3 grs

124/125 gr jacketed
Bullseye start 3.9 grs max 4.3 grs
Unique start 4.5 grs max 5 grs
Power Pistol start 5 grs max 5.5 grs

147 gr lead
Bullseye start 2.8 grs max 3.3 grs
Unique start 3.2 grs max 3.6 grs
Power Pistol start 4 grs max 4.5 grs

147 gr jacketed
Unique start 4 grs max 4.5 grs
Power Pistol start 4.5 grs max 5 grs

Note: Start with the minimum charge wt. Reload just a few and be sure they will properly cycle the action of your pistol before reloading a quantity.

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