Best .22LR ammo for handgun hunting?


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A strange person
October 16, 2011, 07:25 PM
I got a Ruger MKIII 22/45 the other day, it is the first .22 pistol I've ever used. I got it primarily as a hunting weapon, for squirrels, rabbits, grouse, and anything really. I know that alot of high velocity .22LR hollow point ammo has trouble expanding at handgun velocities. I plan on getting a bullet modifying tool, such as paco kelly's ACUR'IZER (I know I spelled that wrong), but until then, is there any .22LR ammo out there that will readily expand at handgun velocities?

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Vern Humphrey
October 16, 2011, 07:27 PM
You really don't need expansion for small game.

Imagine a bullet scaled up from .22 compared to a squirrel, versus a projectile of the same proportions compared to a man -- you're talking 155mm howitzer size.

A strange person
October 16, 2011, 07:32 PM
You really don't need expansion for small game.

Imagine a bullet scaled up from .22 compared to a squirrel, versus a projectile of the same proportions compared to a man -- you're talking 155mm howitzer size.

I knew someone would say that. I've shot grey squirrels squarely in the chest with plated round nose and lead round nose bullets enough times to know that they just don't work. They run away and die somewhere where I will never find them. A flat-nose bullet, like Remington's viper ammo, would be better, but true expansion is still desirable to me. I don't worry about head shots with handguns, I'm not that good yet.

PapaG
October 16, 2011, 07:38 PM
CCI Velocitors, 40 grain bullet, 1435 fps from a rifle. Work great in my Kimber conversion and out of my old Rem 550-1.

Vern Humphrey
October 16, 2011, 07:40 PM
I knew someone would say that. I've shot grey squirrels squarely in the chest with plated round nose and lead round nose bullets enough times to know that they just don't work. They run away and die somewhere where I will never find them.
A gray squirrel that runs away was not hit squarely in the chest.

I've killed a boxcar load of squirrels with Winchester Wildcat solids and never had a problem.

A strange person
October 16, 2011, 07:58 PM
A gray squirrel that runs away was not hit squarely in the chest.

I was a crack-shot with my 10/22 before I sold it to help pay for my 22/45, I could easily roll cans at 100 yards shooting off-hand with it all day. I know I was not missing the squirrels in question. I would also find some of them eventually, with a little pencil-stab wound through the chest, and minimal bleeding. Maybe your squirrels are smaller or weaker? I like my game to die where they are shot. CCI high velocity puts big holes in squirrels (from a rifle), and they don't move an inch.

Vern Humphrey
October 16, 2011, 09:05 PM
You're kidding, right?

A .22 solid through a squirrel's chest breaks bones, blows lung tissue out the exit hole, and leaks blood like a fire hose.

towboat_er
October 16, 2011, 09:35 PM
Best ammo.......What ever you, and your gun likes.

Vern Humphrey
October 16, 2011, 09:38 PM
Amen. What shoots well in your gun is best for small game.

CraigC
October 16, 2011, 09:57 PM
Hogwash, I want a little expansion, even on small game. Plain round-nosed bullets just flat do not put down small game and varmints as quickly as a good hollowpoint. For this, I really like Remington GB's or CCI Mini-Mags.

ArchAngelCD
October 17, 2011, 01:45 AM
Of course you will have to find the ammo that's most accurate in your pistol but I've come to like the CCI SGB ammo. (Small Game Bullet) It's made with a 40gr flat nose bullet @1235 and works well on squirrels without destroying a lot of meat.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
October 17, 2011, 01:50 AM
German-made RWS Dynamit-Nobel High Velocity 40g HP Copper Plated #2132494 (yellow & black box).

They are EXTREMELY consistent, POWERFUL, and cost about $7 - $8 for a box of 50.

You get what you pay for and you do not get what you do not pay for.

The price went up since I bought mine over ten years ago, I see: http://budsfirearms.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=73&products_id=2048

Jath
October 17, 2011, 02:10 AM
of course you will have to find the ammo that's most accurate in your pistol but i've come to like the cci sgb ammo. (small game bullet) it's made with a 40gr flat nose bullet @1235 and works well on squirrels without destroying a lot of meat.

.22 fight! Ahhh!

doc2rn
October 17, 2011, 02:34 AM
ArchAngel beat me to it but he is right CCI SGB ammo. (Small Game Bullet) a 40gr flat nose bullet @1200 ft/sec is what you probably want most.

Steve C
October 17, 2011, 03:23 AM
Since .22 lr is so inexpensive I'd just carry a few different types of ammo with me in the field and try them out. Some inexpensive .22 LR HP's and some hyper velocity.

boutaswell
October 17, 2011, 09:35 AM
Shoot a squirrel or rabbit with an hp, make it a head shot or you will be missing half the meat. When I was a kid, I only had a .22 to plink and hunt squirrel with so I got pretty decent at head shots. They do tend to sit kinda of still and watch you and if you are stealthy and slow enough, you can tag'em all day. And the .22 doesn't scare off half the population like a shotgun will.

Pilot
October 17, 2011, 10:24 AM
I've had good success with CCI Minimags.

hardluk1
October 17, 2011, 11:23 AM
I also use to use a mini-mags solid many years ago and allways shot at the head. Turns them right off. Problem with ruger 10/22 and shooting soda cans all day long at 100 yards and never missing as someone said they can do is. You can put more than a couple squirrel heads in a can so miss's are very easy . And when standing next to a tree or free standing and shooting it would be very easy to have a clean miss at closer disatnce's to. I used a 410 shot gun for some time when young till I got tired of pick'n lead out but darn sure hard to miss.

A strange person
October 17, 2011, 01:49 PM
Problem with ruger 10/22 and shooting soda cans all day long at 100 yards and never missing as someone said they can do is. You can put more than a couple squirrel heads in a can so miss's are very easy

I've never shot a squirrel at more than 30 yards.

ColtPythonElite
October 17, 2011, 01:52 PM
Squirrels? You don't need high velocity/hp stuff. A .22 short cracks their head like a walnut....As far as the OP's question, whatever ammo your gun feeds and shoots accurately is all you need.

A strange person
October 17, 2011, 01:54 PM
I might try CCI SGB Ammo. It has a nice flat nose, and is a little faster than the standard velocity stuff I've been using. Round nose bullets, especially when expansion is absent, almost seem like they are designed to do as little damage as possible. They also do not punch very clean holes in paper. Why they are so prevalent is a real headscratcher to me.

22-rimfire
October 17, 2011, 01:58 PM
You are convinced that hollow points are necessary. Okay, go with hollow points. I would suggest you buy an assortment of ammo and shoot it with the 22/45 and see which ammo seems to shoot best for you. Try the hyper speed rounds out. I like CCI Velocitors the best with Stingers coming in second for accuracy. You don't need them over a HV HP round, but give them a try. My suspicion is you will likely settle on CCI HV HP's, but shoot some of the others too.

You will generally get more consistancy and accuracy from standard velocity (SV) rounds. After shooting some of the HV stuff you buy, try out a box of Wolf Match Target and see how you gun shoots with them. You might see an improvement in accuracty at a middle price range for target ammo.

hardluk1
October 17, 2011, 04:40 PM
yep like 50% smaller groups with wolf/sk over some faster less accurate ammo.
strangher If you can hit the head at 30 yards then there is no need for anything but ole slow accurate solids.

ArchAngelCD
October 18, 2011, 03:11 AM
I might try CCI SGB Ammo. It has a nice flat nose, and is a little faster than the standard velocity stuff I've been using. Round nose bullets, especially when expansion is absent, almost seem like they are designed to do as little damage as possible. They also do not punch very clean holes in paper. Why they are so prevalent is a real headscratcher to me.
I think you will like that ammo. It seems to kill quickly and it's been accurate in my guns.

Remllez
October 18, 2011, 08:49 AM
The head shot guys are right, of course any slug to the head is lights out for squirrels/rabbits. No loss of meat no running away problem solved. It's also a little bit of a challenge and forces you to make the best shot you can.

hardluk1
October 18, 2011, 04:38 PM
colt hard to shot shorts in a 10/22 hehe

Loosedhorse
October 18, 2011, 04:56 PM
I have used Minimags, Stingers, Quikshoks--they all worked great. Since you want expansion, might take a look at Quikshoks; they actually fragment.

And he ain't gonna jump no more. ;)

ColtPythonElite
October 18, 2011, 08:07 PM
colt hard to shot shorts in a 10/22 hehe

Eh, if I'm doing squirrel headshots I leave the 10/22 at home and take a more accurate gun that will feed shorts.

scorpio2011
October 18, 2011, 08:17 PM
i shoot squirrels with an low/mid powered airgun with solid pellets at 30yds or less solid heart/lung shots they mighy run 10'
on the other hand will a .22lr hollow point even expand out of a handgun???
hollowpoints i have recovered shot from a handgun 5" or less barrel never expanded

Dr.Rob
October 19, 2011, 04:35 AM
CCI Minimags.

I had some very accurate Remington round nose 'target' loads that just zipped right through a grouse and I know I hit it. Grouse flew off never to be seen again. Last time I hunted with a target load.

11uscava
October 19, 2011, 05:08 AM
Hogwash, I want a little expansion, even on small game. Plain round-nosed bullets just flat do not put down small game and varmints as quickly as a good hollowpoint. For this, I really like Remington GB's or CCI Mini-Mags.
do you hunt for the thrill of kill or a cook

Random Discharge
October 19, 2011, 06:43 AM
Pistol shooting small game is a bit tougher than with a rifle. Nice thing about head shots is if you miss, better chance you'll miss completely. If you connect, better chance its lights out. Miss the chest and get the gut, different result.

Thompsoncustom
October 19, 2011, 08:08 AM
I know aguila Supermaximum ammo will expand out of a handgun, I believe the listed rifle speed is 1750fps not sure how much less that would be in your handgun but that's probably gonna be the fastest HP. Probably should do some water jug test on the one's your thinking about and see what one expands the most as penetration is not a issue with small game.

CraigC
October 19, 2011, 08:10 AM
I think most have forgotten that this is a thread about hunting with a pistol. Not a rifle. What with all the talk about .22Shorts, 10/22's and head shots. Yes, headshots are nice when possible but if you're hunting rabbit or squirrel with a pistol and ONLY take headshots, you're going home empty handed a lot. The little bit of expansion you get out of the .22LR at pistol velocities is not going to destroy half the meat. Usually the nose just flattens out a bit, which puts them down much quicker but destroys little meat on a body shot, if any.


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TonyT
October 19, 2011, 09:09 AM
CCI mini Mag HP works well for me.

DM~
October 19, 2011, 07:15 PM
I use Remington Yellow Jackets in all of mine, the bullet design really works well on small game!

DM

Remllez
October 20, 2011, 09:16 AM
I've never jumped a rabbit that ran more than 20 yards before it stopped and offered me a shot, in fact I use their big black eyes as a target. As for squirrels I sit still and let them come to me. I rarely go home empty handed that much I know.

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CraigC
October 20, 2011, 09:41 AM
Depends on where you hunt. Where I cut my teeth hunting small game with a pistol, you would be offered a 50-75yd standing shot much more often than 15-20yds in the brush.

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papa_bear
October 20, 2011, 11:23 AM
Hands down, CCI Quick Shoks. They are now sold under the name CCI Segmented Hollow Points. I have numerous pictures which are to graphic to share comparing the various 22lr hollow points effectiveness.

Laf'n'Larry
October 20, 2011, 11:44 PM
Haven't used them for hunting, but the CCI Velocitor seems to fly fast and group well from my Beretta Neos. They are designed to mushroom, but not fly apart, so they should get the job done without leaving bullet fragments or destroying too much of the meat.

Based on my own limited testing I get the most consistent groups from CCI Velocitors, CCI Mini-Mags and CCI Stingers, followed by WalMart's Federal bulk ammo.

M16
October 21, 2011, 08:41 AM
I like Winchester Power Points.

woad_yurt
October 21, 2011, 09:40 AM
I shot a bunch of assorted .22LR through the same guns and from the same distances into a 2X4. I wanted to see just which round penetrated the furthest. Aguila Supermaximums penetrated the furthest and next were Velocitors. Velocitors began narrowing the distance as the barrel length and/or distance increased. I did not, however, do anything at hunting rangeses, just self-defense distances. By extrapolating, I would assume that the Velocitors would pull ahead somewhere in the 20 yard range.

scorpio2011
October 21, 2011, 01:21 PM
has anyone checked the hollow point bullets fired from a handgun for expansion??
i have
i tested cci velocitors,mini-mags and stingers from a 5" barrel none of them expanded
remington subsonic hollow points fired from a 5" handgun barrel did expand in a dry phonebook though.not a good example as the phone book was dry

Vern Humphrey
October 21, 2011, 05:14 PM
One of these days I'll try them in my Fackler Box.

A Fackler Box is a wooden trough, with gallon zip lock bags -- it tests expansion and penetration and can be related to ballistic gelatin by dividing penetration in water by 1.8.

Blackwolf
October 21, 2011, 07:59 PM
Most of the squirrels that I've taken were killed with .177 caliber Crosman Premier Hollowpoint pellets. Those 7.9 grain pellets fly at about 900 FPS out of my Daisy Powerline 1000 air rifle. Pellets that I've recovered were maybe .22 inches in diameter when expanded. I've taken squirrels with head and body shots offhand at 10-12 yards with that thing. Never had any trouble with the rifle or the ammo on squirrel.

Whatever .22 ammo you use will be slightly larger in diameter, several times heavier and at least 30-40 FPS faster than my .177 pellets, even out of a 4 or 5 inch barrel. The Rugers generally have pretty good sights, too.
Hollow points or ball ammo, a headshot is still a headshot, and a miss is still a miss. I can agree that properly expanded .22 hollow points are nice, but you're still shooting at a 1-pound rodent. How much bullet do you need for that?

The moral is: Shot placement is most important, and practice makes perfect.

Shimitup
October 21, 2011, 09:28 PM
It seems there's a consensus on shot placement. The most blazing fast hollow point won't do any good if it doesn't hit. I have a Ruger MK1 that shoots groups with Remington Viper three times the size of the groups it shoots with CCI standard velocity or Green Tag. So like most folks are saying whatever your particular gun likes.

SlamFire1
October 23, 2011, 12:33 PM
Yah, yah, shot placement is the thing. Too bad circumstances don't always work out that way.

Hollowpoints caused the most damage on squirrels, but I preferred target ammunition that was quite. The more noise the further the warning to other squirrels that hunters are in the area.

pazz
October 23, 2011, 03:43 PM
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