Rossi Revolvers: Guaranteed until they fail....


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woad_yurt
October 17, 2011, 10:34 AM
After reading a Rossi-oriented thread here in the General Handguns forum, I wandered over to the Rossi USA site. Since I'm a .38 SPL guy, I ended up looking at their revolver line-up.

They make the following claim about their .38 SPL Model R35202 revolver:

"Rossi revolvers are machined from forged steel and will routinely fire powerful .38 Special + P rounds for the lifetime of your revolver."

For those of you who prefer something more powerful, rest assured that Rossi .357 Magnums will also "routinely fire powerful .38 Special + P rounds for the lifetime of your revolver."

Holy crap.

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MrBorland
October 17, 2011, 12:15 PM
Eh...I'm not getting it. :confused:

You indicated their claim specifically regarded their .38 spl R35202. Why would you generalize that to include a .357mag?

For liability reasons alone, I would seriously doubt that any gun manufacturer would knowingly design and sell a .357mag that's only rated for .38 +P.

What am I missing? :confused:

Dnaltrop
October 17, 2011, 01:20 PM
I see it too... both caliber guns have the same listing for acceptable ammunition.

The 38+ P is being advertised as able to handle +p rounds for it's lifetime

http://www.rossiusa.com/product-details.cfm?id=136

The .357 version does not contain a similar rider regarding the load the pistol is supposedly manufactured to handle, but a note assuring the use of +p was fine instead.

http://www.rossiusa.com/product-details.cfm?id=139&category=1&toggle=&breadcrumbseries=

I don't know if they're just being honest, or if they copied and pasted without changing the information for the Mag.

MCgunner
October 17, 2011, 03:54 PM
Rossi revolvers carry a lifetime warranty for the life of the gun, no matter the owner. the .38s are rated for +P. There, that plain enough for ya? My 3" M68 was bought in 1981. At the time, it was not rated for +P. I've shot quite a few 158 SWC over 5.0 grains unique through it, a mild +P load. It's still quite tight. It does have a rather low round count for a gun its age, though. I bought it for my step dad (to get my grandpa's M10 back) and he fired maybe a box through it, then kept it in the house for protection. I've had it since 2003 and fired maybe 1K in it, most of that 148 wadcutters over 2.7 grains B'eye. It's very accurate, well finished, quite tight, well timed,. It shoots about 2" groups off the bench at 25 yards.

Obviously there's some emotional ties to this one, not as many as with my grandpa's M10, but I keep it around. It's sort of a spare, I guess. It's make a good trail gun, though. Shoots to POA and is accurate enough to bag camp meat.

sixgunner455
October 17, 2011, 03:59 PM
I guess the OP was perplexed by "Life of the gun" - iow, what determines that? When the +p rounds cause it to disintegrate, was five rounds earlier the gun's lifetime? Or does it mean that you can shoot any SAAMI-spec loads through it, as many as you want, and if it doesn't hold up, Rossi fixes or replaces it regardless of how old it is or how many owners have used it?

what is the definition of a gun's lifetime? Me, I've got a 1930 M&P that's tight and shoots straight. What's that gun's lifetime?

MCgunner
October 17, 2011, 04:09 PM
does it mean that you can shoot any SAAMI-spec loads through it, as many as you want, and if it doesn't hold up, Rossi fixes or replaces it regardless of how old it is or how many owners have used it?

You just answered your question. Hey, it ain't rocket science. And, I don't know who's doing web development. They probably should be fired. Might be a Portuguese/English translation thing. Ever read the instruction manual for the Chinese Tokarev? They call the gun, "the launcher". That one would REALLY mess ya up.

woad_yurt
October 17, 2011, 05:58 PM
I wasn't confused, folks. They say it will handle .38 SPL+P for "the lifetime of your revolver," which means that it'll handle .38 SPL+P for as long as the gun lasts. That could be in 3 rounds.

A lifetime claim usually refers to the owner's or user's lifetime, not the lifetime of the item in question. It's a syntax mistake that's kinda funny because it says and means the exact opposite of what they want to say.

"This engine is guaranteed until it doesn't run anymore...."

bob40caliber
October 17, 2011, 09:04 PM
It is generally considered a plus if an item is warrantied for ITS lifetime as opposed to the original buyer's lifetime.

Many a New car is warrantied for 100K mi. or 5 years ....does not matter if its owned by the original purchaser or not. Similar idea right?

I think perhaps the OP either did originally not understand Rossi's intention or the OP has something against Rossi.

But come on here.....we all really know it is a darn good warranty. Wish all firearm manufacturers had the same.

DeepSouth
October 17, 2011, 09:20 PM
I've tried to use their warranty service and I'm glad everyone doesn't have their warranty, and all I needed was a replacement front sight. Just the other day I got it out and noticed quite a bit of cylinder slack, I will probably never shoot it again, I don't really think it's enough slack to hurt anything but if I'm wrong then......bad. I guess the cylinder was warranted for the lifetime of the cylinder, and the front sight was warranted for the life of the front sight.

So not only am I glad other company's have better CS, and I am also glad other companies make better products.

woad_yurt
October 18, 2011, 07:23 PM
I think perhaps the OP either did originally not understand Rossi's intention or the OP has something against Rossi.

I don't know Rossi from a hole in the wall; my feelings are entirely neutral. An item guaranteed to do something for the life of the item is no guarantee at all.

Again, a claim of lifetime whatever has to be for the lifetime of the owner, operator, etc, in order to mean anything. If that claim is transferable to successive new owners, better yet.

I know about their guarantee but they, purely by mistake, said exactly the opposite of what they intended. If you don't think it's a meaningless claim as written, please ask a lawyer or an English teacher.

If you still don't believe me, maybe you'd be interested in a used car I'd like to sell....

MCgunner
October 18, 2011, 09:03 PM
If you feel that way, don't buy one. :rolleyes: Why are you raggin' on us that like our Rossis? You just said you don't know s*** about 'em. You have an opinion on a gun you've never fired? :rolleyes: Typical :rolleyes:

The one thing I've had problems with Rossis over is their firing pins. I had one snap on a M971 .357. I sent it to Interarms, came back, snapped on the second round. I had a K frame firing pint fitted to it for cheap and never had a problem after that. They're not perfect, but they are a lot of gun for the money.

woad_yurt
October 18, 2011, 09:18 PM
The :rolleyes: emoticon means "I'm joking," right? Please say yes....

DeepSouth
October 18, 2011, 09:19 PM
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I have a 1985 Yugo GV Sport I'd like to sell.

You can drive it at max speed (78 mph!!) for the entire life of the engine, GUARANTEED!!!!

And for only $7,500.

Anyone who doesn't jump on that deal is crazy.
Where else can you find a car with a lifetime guaranteed engine for only $7,500?:what::what:
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You don't have to own a Rossi to read that warranty and figure out it (the warranty) sucks. Nothing against Rossi's guns, they may be fine. I have heard they have improved a lot in the last few years, but that warranty is a joke.
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ColtPythonElite
October 18, 2011, 09:37 PM
I had a Rossi 20 years ago. It worked fine, but I can guarantee you I will never buy another one.

T Bran
October 18, 2011, 09:39 PM
That warranty sounds more like something got lost in translation. Even Hipoint gives you a lifetime warranty I wonder how they worded theirs. Not trying to do a comparison on the guns just cant beleive that the waranty is written so oddly.
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Bobson
October 18, 2011, 09:52 PM
It is generally considered a plus if an item is warrantied for ITS lifetime as opposed to the original buyer's lifetime.

Many a New car is warrantied for 100K mi. or 5 years ....does not matter if its owned by the original purchaser or not. Similar idea right?
No, it's not a similar idea. It's not even close to being a similar idea.

Say I sell you a product, a cell phone (but it could be anything). I guarantee the phone for the life of the product. The phone breaks a week later. My guarantee is now over, and you're SOL. The life of the product was a week. It might have taken the phone 200 years to break; and if it did, my guarantee would also have been 200 years - but I wouldn't have had to do anything, cause the life of the product ends when the product is broken. Until it breaks, I'm in the clear, and you have a useless guarantee that you don't need to use until it's too late.

On the other hand, if I guarantee that phone for 5 years or 10,000 calls (as in your car example), and it breaks in a week, I gotta replace the dumb phone, cause it hasn't been 5 years, and you probably aren't even up to 100 calls.

The OP is right. That's the worst "guarantee" ever.

And if you think a guarantee on any product for it's entire life is a good deal, I will sell you ANYTHING/EVERYTHING I own, right now. Including my cars, and God I wish I was a home-owner, 'cause I'd sell you that too. Guaranteed to last it's entire life, or I'll give you a full refund, even it it's 100, 200, or 1,000 years from now.

Edit: Correction: That would be the worst guarantee ever if it were real. However, my point remains.

Ed N.
October 18, 2011, 10:00 PM
Much ado about nothing. Go read the actual warranty in the Rossi manual at http://www.rossiusa.com/pdf/Rossi_Manual_Revolvers.pdf . It says, "This warranty is of unlimited duration." No BS about the lifetime of the revolver.

olgeorge
October 18, 2011, 10:40 PM
I bought a Rossi .357 from Larry's in Huntsville, AL. It was a replacement for a Rossi .38 that had been stolen. It handled .38s well, but .357s would extrude the primer into the firing pin bushing and make the cylinder hard to open. The bushing was oversize for the firing pin. Larry's sent it in and they replaced the bushing and also the hammer, which had some side play. It was back in a month or so and is working perfectly. I've not shot it extensively and will probably not use .357s very often. L. O. G.

VampyreDark
October 19, 2011, 11:33 PM
MCgunner, I do not know why some are so confused about what the website says. The 357 will shoot 357ammo. It will also shoot 38 ammo with +p rating. Clear enough? The gun has a warranty no matter who owns it, sells it, and buys it; it is still under full warranty, just dont admit that you shot 38's out of the 357 because that voids the warranty according to the manual. The 38 will shoot 38 +p ammo too. I dont see the confusion. Perhaps a math class will help one's cognitive skills if they are still confused about this.

I have a new Rossi 357 R971, just bought it a few weeks ago actually. The cylinder has a little side play, but the timing is perfect. The firing pin is a little loose, or as sturdy as my father in laws S&W's. Make sense?

I was skeptical about the minute cylinder lateral play (I had two gunsmiths look at it for reassurance) but it turns out it is within normal spec. The gun works great, and I trust it with my life. Like all guns, it has to be treated with care and respect. No "movie star" flicking of the cylinder and stuff, that would not be good for any gun! Treat it with care, it will last a long time. Moreover, I think most guns will need servicing from time to time, right?

DenaliPark
October 19, 2011, 11:53 PM
I had a Rossi 20 years ago. It worked fine, but I can guarantee you I will never buy another one.
:) Ditto...

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