New to 1911 and 45 ACP, need reccomendations.


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northark147
October 18, 2011, 02:34 AM
I just bought a 1911 in .45. While I have both shot and reloaded for years I have 0 experience with either, but I've always wanted one. What I am aiming for is a cost effective plinking round that will feed well, hit near where I aim and all that good stuff to start off with. If I absolutely fall in love and want to start carrying the 1911 or use it for my bedside artillery, I'll worry about ammunition for those purposes later.

I will probably go with MO bullets, but when I checked their site I see there are many many choices for the .45 As I do not want to order 500 bullets that do not match my purposes, I am looking for someone to point me in the right direction. I am thinking based on what Ive been able to read maybe the 230 Gr Small Ball??

Any input related to the .45 wou feel like sharing is greatly appreciated

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Fishslayer
October 18, 2011, 02:42 AM
Sometimes a brand new 1911 can be a bit finicky. I would start out with a few hundred rounds of warmly loaded 230gr FMJ or Plated RN to loosen it up. Nothing serious, but not mousefart target loads.
Cast bullets are fine too, but watch for leading. I like Bear Creek 230gr LRN, 200gr RNHB and 200gr LSWC.

I alos run a lot of plated RN & SWC. Depends on how I feel about scrubbing barrels that particular day. ;)

bds
October 18, 2011, 03:35 AM
New to 1911 and 45 ACP, need reccomendations ... What I am aiming for is a cost effective plinking round that will feed well
Of course, the usual disclaimer of full work up for new bullet/powder applies but here are my favorites:


200 gr SWC (http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=57&category=5&secondary=13&keywords=) (IDP #1) with 5.0 gr W231/HP-38 - Very accurate target load with moderate recoil (1.25" OAL will feed/chamber in most 1911 but conduct your own barrel drop test and function check test by manually feeding/chambering from magazine).

200 gr SWC (http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=56&category=5&secondary=13&keywords=) (Bullseye #1) with 4.0 gr Promo/Red Dot - Very accurate plinking load with mild recoil (same OAL comment as above).


I have found 200 gr SWC bullets to be most accurate, but if your 1911 has issues feeding SWC bullets, try these:

200 gr RNFP (http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=78&category=5&secondary=13&keywords=) (IDP #4-XD) loaded to 1.195" OAL (taper crimp right to the crimp groove on the bullet) with above powder charge (may need to use .2-.3 gr more) - Accurate easy feeding/chambering RN load with mild recoil.

230 gr RN (http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=59&category=5&secondary=13&keywords=) (SoftBall!) loaded to 1.25" OAL with above powder charges - Very accurate load.

You can buy same bullets for less on PowerValley (http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/) website (Home Page > Cast Bullets > Missouri Bullet).

northark147
October 18, 2011, 04:40 AM
I don't intend on running light recoil loads anytime, I like to experience the gun I'm shooting, not power it down. The only time it will see light loads is during work up, or if my SO likes how it feels in her hand but complains about the recoil.

Thanks for the recommendations so far... You shouldn't have told me PV was cheaper.. It is dangerous for me to order there, because I wont be able to resist ordering at least 5000 primers and at least 10 lb or so of powder.. lol

steve4102
October 18, 2011, 08:58 AM
MB 200gr LSWC
WST, work up to 4.9gr
1.250 is my OAL, but you need to check what fit and feed in your barrel.



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dbarnhart
October 18, 2011, 10:48 AM
Another favorite powder among 45 ACP reloaders is Unique. I use 5.5 grains behind a 230gr FMJRN.

squarles67
October 18, 2011, 10:54 AM
I shoot the 230g Small Ball from MB over a charge of 5.2g of HP38 at 1.235 OAL using CCI LP primers.

Out of a 5" Colt Govt 1911
810fps
52.81ES
17.6SD

This load is very accurate in both my Goverment and Commander 1911

DHass
October 18, 2011, 11:13 AM
230gr JRN, 5.0gr of Bullseye, duplicates military load.
Good back then, good now.

TonyAngel
October 18, 2011, 12:35 PM
I use HP38, 231 or Accurate #2 with a 200 gr LSWC from Missouri Bullet Company. The SWC bullets make very clean holes in papar and seem to work better for knocking stuff over, like bowling pins and stuff.

bds
October 18, 2011, 12:35 PM
Well, I was responding to "cost effective plinking" rounds inquiry.

If you are looking for full power loads, you could try the near max charges of the same powders or slower powders like Unique, Universal, WSF, Power Pistol, HS-6, AutoComp, etc.

mnhntr
October 18, 2011, 12:44 PM
I like rainier plated 200gr SWC or Round nose so there is no leading. I use A#5 and tightgroup for powders, although I just started messing with Bullseye. A#5 is my favorite right now for target loads and my USPSA loads.

REL1203
October 18, 2011, 12:46 PM
200 gr SWC (IDP #1) with 5.0 gr W231/HP-38 - Very accurate target load with moderate recoil (1.25" OAL will feed/chamber in most 1911 but conduct your own barrel drop test and function check test by manually feeding/chambering from magazine).

This is my go to load, its Fantastic in all 3 of my 45s including my Springfield TRP, it loads them just fine.

northark147
October 18, 2011, 02:48 PM
BDS, The saying I liked to feel it, was more for Fishslayer telling me I needed to run some hotter stuff to loosen it up. I am glad you went ahead and listed some lighter stuff as the woman does shoot with me, and she does at times whine about a little recoil.

I think I'm gonna start off with the MBC small ball and work up some loads trying both W231 and Bullseye with CCI LP Primers since I have all but the Missouri Bullets on hand and from what I hear about MBC shipping those will be home before I am.

And PV is only cheaper if you don't use the THR discount at MBC. MBC also has the bullets in stock. I'm kinda glad, Like I said I'd really tied up some money had I ordered from PV... lol

mdi
October 18, 2011, 03:19 PM
To familiarize yourself with the 45 ACP and reloading for it, I would say go with a tried and true load; 230 gr. RN at about 850 fps. Millions of rounds have been reloaded to these specs and you can find info on any problems associated with this load just about anywhere. I shoot a lot of 225 gr. LRN over about 4.5 to 5.0 gr. W321, and have used 230gr. FMJ with the same load. I shot a bunch of these and then branched out to some 200 gr SWC and 195 gr. SWC loads, and bought a couple molds too...

Super.45
October 18, 2011, 03:33 PM
Mike at Mastercast Bullets of Il. will sell small samples to try. Good bullets. Best 9mms I have ever used.
In .45 all the ones I have tried have been very good with the edge going to Penn Bullets Match Grade. I don't know if Penn offers samples but you could ask.

RustyFN
October 18, 2011, 07:20 PM
MB 200gr LSWC
WST, work up to 4.9gr

That's my load right there only I cast my own 200 grain SWC's. They are accurate and very clean.

Blue68f100
October 18, 2011, 11:39 PM
WST is my favorite powder for 45acp. 4.8gr behind a 200gr RN Plated bullet. I use it with all weights, 185, 200 & 230gr.

Master Blaster
October 18, 2011, 11:51 PM
200 LSWC Penn Bullet tumbled with lee liquid Alox in a jar and dried, 4.1 grains Solo 1000, or 4.2 grains Bullseye OAL 1.251, bullseye accuracy load 750 FPS.

185 Remington Match JSWC 6.0 grains of W231 850 FPS.

oldreloader
October 19, 2011, 12:38 AM
I like both the MBC 200 gr SWC and RNFP. I've also shot some of their 225 gr FP bullets and like them also. I use AA#5, HP38, and Bullseye with good results.

glenns
October 20, 2011, 12:41 AM
steve4102 - great pic of head space. Where did you get that?

5thSFGroup
October 20, 2011, 10:05 AM
I do agree that you should run a few hundred jacketed rounds first. I was using the MB 230 gr softball load for a while and recently switched to the Penn 200 gr LSWC. The recoil is less. They also make a match grade 200 gr LSWC and that is what I use. Outstanding round. I was using 4 grains of Clays under the 230. I am going to try Winchester ST behind the 200 gr. LSWC.

Clays powder is very clean and fast burning but does not have the velocity that you can get from Winchester ST.

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