How Old Are These Primers?


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dbarnhart
October 18, 2011, 11:25 AM
How long has it been since Winchester packaged primers in white boxes like these?

http://www.shootandreload.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/DSCN1063.jpg

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EMC45
October 18, 2011, 11:27 AM
80' 90's.

jcwit
October 18, 2011, 11:32 AM
Right, those aren't old at all. I've got Winchester Primers with wood dividers and no zip code, they date back to the 1940's.

T Bran
October 18, 2011, 11:41 AM
Im still using some 209 shotshell primers in a box that looks like the Federal box in the background. I agree 80s or 90s load and shoot they are not old but I dont think im old either.
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sugarmaker
October 18, 2011, 11:48 AM
Recent enough to use - 1970's boxes used the 8 1/2-120 etc.. instead of WLR, WSR, etc... so those aren't that old.

dbarnhart
October 18, 2011, 12:15 PM
Thank you. A local guy is getting out of reloading and selling them on Backpage. Unfortunately, his price is just $1.69 less that I can buy fresh new WSR primers from my favorite local gun shop.

suzukisam
October 18, 2011, 12:17 PM
If you have any question try a couple out in a sized case, but I have been using a lot in those boxes, and some even older... primers are very resilient.. it's hard to ruin them.. keep in mind they are a wet "cake" powder when made...

snuffy
October 18, 2011, 12:56 PM
Here's a few that are 30+ years old. They work like new. The old plain brown wrapper primers were old when I got them from the DCM back in the early 70's. The 120M designation was for Match, not magnum. If you shot a DCM,(Department of Civilian Marksmanship), course, you could get primers, powder and match bullets to reload ammo. Also match loaded ammo if you didn't
reload.

http://photos.imageevent.com/jptowns/bullets/websize/primers-old%20002.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/jptowns/bullets/websize/primers-old%20005.jpg

If they've been stored right, room temp and kept dry, they'll be just fine.

SlamFire1
October 18, 2011, 05:20 PM
The change over from White Box nickle plated primers to the brass finish was right at 1999.

That is when I called Winchester and was told that they had made their primers more sensitive to "combat off center firing pin strikes".

The new brass finish Winchester small rifle primers turned out to be so thin skinned and pierced so much, they ate up a handfull of AR15 firing pins. That will be the last I will every buy WSR. I still have a couple of thousand of the old nickle plated WSR, they don't pierce like the new ones. Those primers were some of the best AR15 primers around.

Brass finish Winchesters still work well in my pistols, I do not recommend using them in Garands and M1a's or Carbines as those rifles will slamfire with sensitive primers.

DSinOR
October 19, 2011, 11:11 AM
Hmm - good to know. For semi rifles, WSR silver finish = good, new WSR brass finish maybe not so good.

ArchAngelCD
October 19, 2011, 11:44 AM
The older Silver Winchester primers are reported to be "harder" than the newer ones. I have a bunch of older Win and CCI primers I'm using right now. They all seem to be exactly like the newer primers and all have ignited correctly.

dbarnhart
October 20, 2011, 12:48 AM
I've been using the new WSR primers in the blue box. I've probably shot 2000 of them this year. No problems.

FROGO207
October 20, 2011, 12:56 AM
Snuffy how'd you manage to keep them around for so long?? I have some great old boxes but had to use the primers up as fast as I got them way back then.:D These days I have a bit more $$ and can buy a bunch ahead so I never run out. Helped a LOT in the past 2-3 years for sure. One day I will get those pictures of all my old cans and boxes up on the net if I can ever figure out how to do it :banghead:

snuffy
October 20, 2011, 01:56 AM
Snuffy how'd you manage to keep them around for so long?? I have some great old boxes but had to use the primers up as fast as I got them way back then. These days I have a bit more $$ and can buy a bunch ahead so I never run out. Helped a LOT in the past 2-3 years for sure.

Heh heh, those aren't empty.:uhoh: The 1k box of 7M-111F has 500 primers in it. The 120M winchester, two boxes are full the other has about 25 in it.

Can't say exactly why I never used them, they were all good for the job they did, just got others and used them. I just got a new Ruger super blackhawk in .44 mag, so I'll have to use some of those 7m mag primers for some heavy loads of 296 and lil gun.

amlevin
October 20, 2011, 11:52 AM
I just finished using a tray of primers from this vintage. Kept the box for "nostalgia". Still has the price tag, $0.97 on it. A far cry from today's prices.

d'Artagnan
October 20, 2011, 09:07 PM
Post the lot numbers and I'll try to break the date out. The Winchester primer white boxes changed to purple boxes at the same time Winchester stopped nickel plating their primers. Some say that was 1999.

snuffy
October 21, 2011, 01:18 AM
Post the lot numbers and I'll try to break the date out. The Winchester primer white boxes changed to purple boxes at the same time Winchester stopped nickel plating their primers. Some say that was 1999.

Those are a LOT older than '99. I know for a fact they're no newer than '75. The designations Winchester uses have changed over the years several times since I started loading in '64. Anyway it's SP134 above E106830 Lot# for the 7M-111F.

GP100man
October 22, 2011, 07:17 AM
Not old enuff not to use em !!!

I was given some that were not stored properly in containers just like em & the boxes had gotten damp enuff so all the cardboard paper was stuck together , all 5 bricks !!!!!

I got a pan & started tearing/cutting em open ,then gave em a few days to dry good with a stir now&then.

Some even had a bit of corrosion on the anvil ????

Loaded everyone of em in plinkin ammo & not the first misfire !!!

Primers are tuffer than we think they are !!

I`ll say mid/late 80s -early90s on the age of those in the pic.

243winxb
October 22, 2011, 10:10 AM
These primers were given to me, shot them in May of 2010. No problems. Very hard to "kill" a primer. http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/IMG_4621e.jpg

dbarnhart
October 22, 2011, 11:05 AM
Ya know, those are almost too purdy to shoot. ;-)

Waldog
October 22, 2011, 09:03 PM
243winxb. Would you consider parting with one of your EMPTY primer boxes with wooden trays? Those are the boxes I remember when I started reloading with my DAD. I'll gladly pay shipping and a modest fee if you're willing to send me one. PM!!

d'Artagnan
October 22, 2011, 10:42 PM
My Federal 215 primers in that same style box are lot number AL.75/24/5. That and AL-85/1/8 look suspiciously like dates. Wonder if the numbers 75 and 85 are reversed and represent 1957 and 1958 or if they really are 1975 and 1985. Regarding the previous Winchester lot number SP134 (over) E106830, it is not in a Winchester or Western lot number format I've seen before and I have Winchester primers going back to 1937, and Western back to 1940. But that 106830, too, looks suspiciously like a date, say 30 October 1968.

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