44 Magnum Bullets


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Hondo 60
October 19, 2011, 06:12 PM
Just bought a "new to me" Ruger Redhawk in 44 Magnum.

Now I need bullets.
I can use Berry's for 44 Spl, but obviously (to me anyway) that won't work for 44 Magnum.

So far I'm looking at Hornady 240 gr XTPs.
Is there a cheaper jacketed alternative?

Sorry, I can't use lead, as I've posted not to long ago, my lead level was too high & I promised my Dr I wouldn't use lead bullets any more.

I tried several other places I know of for bullets like tjconevera & rmrbullets, but didn't find what I want.

Your help in other brands/bullet sites would be appreciated.

Thanks!

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Hondo 60
October 19, 2011, 06:23 PM
And before anyone asks ...

http://www.jbabcock.net/guns/redhawk.jpg

Seedtick
October 19, 2011, 06:40 PM
Sweet! :D I like it.

The next scratch for my itch will be nearly identical...just a little bigger hole. 45 Colt

Seedtick

:)

Bush Pilot
October 19, 2011, 09:06 PM
Just bought a "new to me" Ruger Redhawk in 44 Magnum.

Now I need bullets.
I can use Berry's for 44 Spl, but obviously (to me anyway) that won't work for 44 Magnum.

So far I'm looking at Hornady 240 gr XTPs.
Is there a cheaper jacketed alternative?

Sorry, I can't use lead, as I've posted not to long ago, my lead level was too high & I promised my Dr I wouldn't use lead bullets any more.

I tried several other places I know of for bullets like tjconevera & rmrbullets, but didn't find what I want.

Your help in other brands/bullet sites would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Why can't/won't you shoot plated bullets from your .44? You don't have to load real hot loads (especially from that short barrel) I plink with either plated or lead bullets and use XTPs or Gold Dots when I need a premium bullet for hunting.

rcmodel
October 19, 2011, 09:19 PM
Berry website FAQ says this about that:
Velocities depend on the caliber, but as a rule of thumb, we recommend you don't shoot our plated bullets over 1200 feet-per-second. Our 44's actually shoot best around 1150 fps.
For cheap shooting at a cost of a couple hundred FPS, I can think of no reason not to shoot Berry Plated bullets in your .44 Mag.

Nobody says you have to set the weeds on fire every time you shoot a .44 Mag!

rc

Walkalong
October 19, 2011, 09:20 PM
You can load the Berrys or Raniers to 1200 or so with a taper crimp. Your revolver will let you know where to stop as accuracy starts to go south. A 240 at 1200ish FPS is not a full magnum load, but it is no slouch.

You might try some Powerbonds (http://www.powerbondbullets.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=PBOS&Category_Code=44). I have shot their .38 caliber bullets in .357 mag with a heavy taper crimp at up to 1300 FPS with good accuracy. I might try that with them myself, just to see. Anyway, they are pretty tough bullets.

Walkalong
October 19, 2011, 09:23 PM
Nobody says you have to set the weeds on fire every time you shoot a .44 Mag!Yep.

jack44
October 19, 2011, 09:26 PM
your not sposed to eat the lead bullets! 240 hard cast :D

flhtcuibyhd
October 19, 2011, 09:49 PM
I like the Nosler 240gr soft points in the bulk 250 pack in my SBH.

ArtP
October 19, 2011, 09:59 PM
I went through a very similar thinking process and decided to load 240 XTP's and 240 lead. I shoot a SBH and a Marlin 1894. The Marlin is only fed the XTP's.

If you're anything like me, you want to shoot full power loads frequently enough so that you're accomplished with full-house loads. Using a plated bullet at 1100-1200 as my main round was not an option. To each his own, though.

I've not found a better jacketed bullet than the XTP's, for the money, though I too have been tempted by the Noslers.

ArtP
October 19, 2011, 10:03 PM
Sorry, I can't use lead, as I've posted not to long ago, my lead level was too high & I promised my Dr I wouldn't use lead bullets any more.

Just curious. Do you think your high lead levels are from casting, shooting indoors or something else?

Eb1
October 19, 2011, 10:17 PM
Congratulations on your new Ruger! I gotz me a 5 1/2" SBH.

I like the XTP for having a deep penetrating hunting load that expands, and keep to have a 2 legged threat stopper.

I think you will find Missouri Cast Bullet Co. 240 grain Lead SWC a good alternative for your Ruger. I shoot that LSWC with 7.3 grains of Trail Boss, and I get groups like below offhand @ 25 yards. The XTPs I load with 20.5 grains of 2400, and it is a blazing fireball load.
I can also take that LSWC from MCB Co., and load it up with 22 grains of IMR 4227, and it shoot like the dickens also.

Here is my latest group shooting Trail Boss and MCB Co. 240 grain LSWC, Win Brass, and CCI Primers. This is 3 cylinders full, and for some reason I have a tendency to push one every cylinder to the left a little. I am shooting right handed. My SBH has a Hogue Monogrip on it. Couldn't shoot heavy loads with the cowboy grip.

I'd like to second the XTP from my experience, but I also want to test the Nosler Soft Points @ 240 grains. For the record. I have also loaded, and shoot a 255 grain Beartooth bullet full of Unique. It is loaded pretty hot, and not I will not post the weight on that.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=150940&d=1318739708

flhtcuibyhd
October 19, 2011, 10:20 PM
I have not tried shooting lead yet in the SBH. I use a load of 9.3 grains of Unique and the Noslers as a practice round at about 1020fps and use the XTP's for hunting under a stout load of H110 for around 1400fps. The system works for me and I don't have to deal with any of the issues that lead can bring.

One item of note is that the Noslers are out of stock everywhere, and I've been looking for about a month. I emailed Nosler recently and they stated that a resupply will not be happening until spring, so I'll be stocking up then!

Hondo 60
October 19, 2011, 10:31 PM
I plan on using Berry's for 44 spl (you know, the plinking, slower rounds)

But I also want some full house 44 MAGNUM loads too.
And Berry's or Rainier's won't do for OMG loads :eek:

I've seen posts about 5, 6, 7 other bullet mfgs & i'm just hopin to get some jacketed at a price cheaper than Hornady.


I think you will find Missouri Cast Bullet Co. 240 grain Lead SWC a good alternative for your Ruger.

NO LEAD!!!!!!!!! I said in my original post that lead was out!


Walkalong - Power Bonds - that's exactly the info I was looking for $70 for 500 vs over $120 for Hornady. THANK YOU!

Walkalong
October 19, 2011, 10:42 PM
Let us know how they do. I for one would be interested. If they will do 1350 from my 5.5" Redhawk with good accuracy, that is all I push a jacketed bullet in it.

A healthy taper crimp will help ignition.

Lee (http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/696792/lee-taper-crimp-die-44-special-44-remington-magnum)

Redding (http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/429887/redding-taper-crimp-die-44-special-44-remington-magnum)

Eb1
October 19, 2011, 10:52 PM
Sorry, but why is lead an issue? I have zero problems with a leaded barrel. Maybe you are in a lead free area. I did just skim over it. In the middle of packing, and saw the new post in hand loading... Don't have to yell at me. :)


I see. I remember you post on your lead levels. Can you use latex gloves to keep the lead levels down. I don't remember the complete thread, but could it be that shooting indoors is the reason for high lead levels?

Nevertheless congrats on a super awesome firearm. I hope you enjoy the .44 Magnum as much as I have. If this is your first .44 Magnum, I think you'll find it to be a very enjoyable, versatile caliber.
I have been told that the jacketed bullet will probably work best in the Ruger because of the throat angle or something like that, but I have found that lead works well also. My gun hasn't ever had a factory round through it. I wish you could shoot lead. I also don't want to partake in getting someone sick either.

If your lead levels come down, and you can work out what the issue is be it handling or shooting in an indoor range (I'll have to review your thread) MCB Co. makes a good bullet for our guns, but I think you will be hard pressed to find a better performing bullet than the 240 grain XTP for you .44 Magnum using any of the powders that will push it over 1300 fps. I hear Remington makes a good .44 Magnum bulk jacketed bullet.

Eb1
October 19, 2011, 10:59 PM
@ Walkalong

You find the Taper Crimp to be better than a Roll Crimp? Do you find the taper to be more consistent regardless of case length?

Damon555
October 19, 2011, 11:02 PM
I just ordered 400 240 gain XTP's from Cabelas....they had them on sale for $18.99 per hundred. That's a pretty good price so I jumped on it. They might still be listed in the "Bargain Cave" section.

Hondo 60
October 19, 2011, 11:03 PM
Sorry, I can't use lead, as I've posted not to long ago, my lead level was too high & I promised my Dr I wouldn't use lead bullets any more.


I've brought my lead level down by 6 points in 2 months by not using lead.

Eb1 - Leading has nothing to do with it.
I know how to load to reduce leading and I've got 1 1/2 copper chore boys left to clean out what little leading I have seen.

I have used gloves in the past, but I'd be willing to bet it's from breathing in the smoke while shooting.
My club is not quite indoors, but it's very sheltered and the smoke can hang in the air.
I know how well lead bullets work in 38, 357 & 45 Colt, I've ordered probably 40,000 from MBC.
Believe me, my wallet dislikes the idea of giving up lead.
Brad & Joanne have been absolutely wonderful to deal with.

And yes, it's my first 44 Magnum. :D
And sorry about hollering - that was very impolite on my part.

Walkalong
October 19, 2011, 11:08 PM
@ Walkalong

You find the Taper Crimp to be better than a Roll Crimp? Do you find the taper to be more consistent regardless of case length?

Either kind will work just fine on a jacketed bullet with a cannelure. Some cannelures are so shallow it is hard to get a good roll crimp. It takes a fairly heavy taper crimp on a jacketed bullet to equal a good roll crimp. I roll crimp jacketed bullets now, but taper crimps worked. Lead with a crimp groove needs a good roll crimp.

I was speaking on plated bullets, so I recommended a taper crimp. It works very well, it is harder to damage the plating with, and yes, it is more forgiving of case length.

Eb1
October 19, 2011, 11:48 PM
Thanks, guys.

Good luck with that .44 Magnum. It'll eat up XTPs, but I have read good things about the Remmy bullets also in .44 Magnum. You might be able to locate a good source. I need to find one because the factory is about 15 miles from my house.

Seedtick
October 20, 2011, 12:11 AM
I need to find one because the factory is about 15 miles from my house.

Eb1, the one in Lonoke?

Seedtick

:)

32dgrz
October 20, 2011, 12:25 AM
For Lead http://www.twoalphabullets.com/Products.htm

For Jacketed https://www.montanagoldbullet.com/pricelist.html

The MG's flat points are devastating on bowling pins

billyjoe
October 20, 2011, 01:22 AM
I know your not wanting to use lead but the hard cast lead with gas checks doesn't put off fumes like regular cast lead bullets do and they shoot great in my rugers.

bluetopper
October 20, 2011, 01:44 AM
Rainier bullets WILL work for full house loads no matter what you may read on the internet. If they'll perform great out of a rifle they'll work in your little Redhawk.

gamestalker
October 20, 2011, 02:00 AM
What about Golden Saber? I haven't used them in a long time, but they used to be reasonably priced in bulk.

LeonCarr
October 20, 2011, 10:09 AM
IME if you want very good accuracy and great terminal performance on game up to hogs, pick the 240 grain Hornady XTP. If you want great accuracy and great performance on deer sized game, the 240 grain Sierra JHC has been a great performer, as in 3.5-4 inch groups at 100 yards from a 7.5 inch Ruger Super Redhawk.

For paper punching or plinking, any 240 grain LSWC will work. For turning 2/3 liter coke bottles filled with water into two flattened out flower shaped pieces of plastic, 180 grain Remington JHP :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

mohican
October 20, 2011, 04:39 PM
with that short of a barrel, you may want to try 300 grain bullets/less powder versus 240 grain bullets/more powder.

mohican
October 20, 2011, 04:41 PM
also, if you are interested in target/plinking, the Rainier plated bullets are a good value.

Hondo 60
October 20, 2011, 05:25 PM
So far it looks like Power Bond is the winner.
at $70/500 they're even cheaper than Berry's.
And the site says "Free Shipping"
I don't know if that's a sale or if it's normal.

http://www.powerbondbullets.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=PBOS&Product_Code=44HP240&Category_Code=44

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