Integrated silencers?


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Greell
October 20, 2011, 01:24 AM
Hey folks, long time since I last posted anything, but I had a question that was bugging me.

I've been looking at purchasing a rifle with an integrated supressor (the barrel is the supressor)

I know the NFA regulations on supressors. However, do these integrated supressors follow the same regulations as they are integrated and for use only with the weapon in which they are built?

Just trying to see how much of a hard time i'm going to have getting my CLEO to sign (I live in Houston, and he's less than cooperative) ...hoping maybe I can do a little convincing when I thought of this question.

Thanks in advance:)

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RhinoDefense
October 20, 2011, 01:38 AM
Yes. Integral suppressors are regulated the same.

Greell
October 20, 2011, 01:39 AM
excellent, thanks for the quick reply brother :D

henschman
October 20, 2011, 01:37 PM
And if its going on a rifle and is less than 16" long, you have to get a separate stamp for the SBR it is going on for the rifle to be legal once its installed.

Telekinesis
October 20, 2011, 01:45 PM
Yep, same paperwork as a removable suppressor.

Just trying to see how much of a hard time i'm going to have getting my CLEO to sign

Any chance of using a trust or corp? Its a little bit more paperwork, but it will also let you give possession of your suppressor to other people on the trust/corp (for example if you have a wife or kids who know the combination to the safe and/or who might want to shoot it while you're out of town)

Bubbles
October 20, 2011, 09:59 PM
From the FFL side, an integrally-suppressed rifle gets logged in as two separate firearms - one being the rifle receiver, the other being the barrel.

If it's an integrally-suppressed SBR then it's a two-stamp gun: one for the SBR, one for the suppressor.

RhinoDefense
October 21, 2011, 12:25 AM
Not necessarily. If the suppressor is permanently attached, it is part of the barrel. If you shorten a barrel less than 16 inches and then permanently weld a suppressor to the barrel making the length 16 inches or longer, it's one stamp firearm. Just for the suppressor.

Inebriated
October 21, 2011, 03:34 AM
It's a stamp for the suppressor regardless of length, and then as long as the very tip of the barrel and (permanently attached) suppressor is >16", you're good. If it's shorter, you have to get an SBR stamp.

All that for a rifle with a safety device attached and a nice balanced length. A shame, isn't it?

Mot45acp
October 22, 2011, 11:09 PM
If you live in Houston look up a lawyer named Sean Cody, he specializes in NFA trusts.

Strykervet
October 23, 2011, 12:00 AM
If you live in Houston look up a lawyer named Sean Cody, he specializes in NFA trusts.
What he said. We have an NFA trust done by a lawyer specializing in it. WELL WORTH IT! You definitely want a local one that specializes in this stuff though, you don't want a bad trust. Stay away from the corporation route, more expensive and not as "bulletproof" as the trust. Your lawyer will explain it.

Then all you need is a copy of the trust agreement, fill out the forms, buy the suppressor or suppressed pistol, and wait. No fingerprints, photos, or signatures.

When I get the cash, I'm getting an SDN6 suppressor for rifles, and my wife is getting a suppressed MkIII, integral. Later on some other stuff. Having the trust is real nice for NFA collections. It'll be easy peasy with the trust, and either of us can purchase or sell or use items in it. Really nice.

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