H&K P30-9mm vs. Glock 19-9mm


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ejpk
October 22, 2011, 09:55 AM
How would you compare these pistols, what are the pros and cons? I know there are some strong opinions about Glock, but what about H&K? A friend recently recommended the P30, and it looked pretty good...really felt good in my hand. I wanted a 9mm so I figured I needed to have one. When I found a P30 at a local gun shop, I bought it. I don't see much comment here about H&K, so wondering if I did the right thing....maybe thinking I bought too impulsively. Comments?

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sigarms228
October 22, 2011, 10:11 AM
Welcome to the forum!

They are both fine pistols but different trigger actions with the P30 usually being DA/SA and the Glock 19 being striker fired.

A little late now but I always recommend that anyone rent/borrow and try out actually firing what they are considering before buying. There are a TON of great 9MM pistols. Also IMO and experience how a pistol feels in one's hand does not always translate into what they are going to shoot best as there are MANY factors that influence how one shoots with a pitol.

I tried at HK P30 a couple times my self but did not buy one. It is a nice pistol but my next poly 9MM pistol will be a Walther PPQ. I already own a Gen 2 Glock 19 and a SIG SP2022.

Let us know how your new HK P30 work for you after a range session with it! HKs are very high quality and reliable pistols.

IMTHDUKE
October 22, 2011, 10:41 AM
Best nine I ever had....had a few. You never even think it will have a FTF....not its nature.

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww2/imthduke/GUNS/P30.jpg

wild cat mccane
October 22, 2011, 11:11 AM
You can get a P30 for 300 dollars less by purchasing the original Walther P99. Only difference in any measure is hammer fired vs striker fired in the P99.

The mag release on the P99 is easier to use, though both are superior (in my opinion) to the buttons.

coebam
October 22, 2011, 11:43 AM
I own both. They are great hand guns. I think they both have pros and cons. P30 feels great and has interchangeable grip straps. The Glocks trigger feels better to me. Both are very accurate and easy to take down to clean. Once you run rounds through a gun you tend to get use to it. I would hate to have to pick one over the other. It took me a while to get used to the P30 trigger. I almost sold the gun. Now after I now the feel of it I really love the gun. Enjoy the P30 you have yourself a very well built handgun that will last a long time.

Vonderek
October 23, 2011, 11:38 AM
Mags for the G19 are almost half the price as the H&Ks....or 1/5th the price for the Korean made mags. I suspect parts are also cheaper and easier to get for the Glock.

HKGuns
October 23, 2011, 11:48 AM
You done a great thing. Enjoy it.

HOOfan_1
October 23, 2011, 04:47 PM
I like the USP better. I hate the decocker on the P30. Not a fan of the slide release on either.

Bullz
January 20, 2012, 11:22 PM
I was considering the same thing as you... Glock 19 vs... what else? I ended up getting a P30. I could shoot crazy tight groups with the Glock but just couldn't get used to the grip angle and thickness - I mean, I really don't like the feel of the Glocks (but I otherwise love them). The P30 felt perfect... Like, I can point the P30 without looking down the sights and they will always be aligned. That's a big deal.

The trigger smoothed out nicely somewhere around 500 rounds and now I actually really like the trigger. I carry the gun all the time and the heavier pull makes me feel better about having a round chambered. I think it's like 11 lbs DA and 4.5 lbs SA... Irrespective, I can hit the steel plate at 100 yrds pretty consistently and shoot a quarter every time at 7 yrds if I actually try. On top of that, the gun cycles any ammo I put through it (junk, reloads, premium, whatever) so I think the gun is fine overall. I have well over 5,000 rounds through it without any issue. I trust it and I can shoot it acceptably well... as in... I'll never have a doubt if I ever have to use it.

I also prefer the DA/SA setup... I like having a hammer. I've had the gun for a few years now and it's my go-to favorite of the bunch.

I guess you've had it for a few months now... what are your impressions? Like it?

Samgotit
January 21, 2012, 08:19 AM
A LEM P30 with light FPBS & HS springs, and heavy TRS (trigger return spring), i.e., the Todd Green Trigger, is the finest 9mm on the market today. That set up gives a trigger pull of ~5 lb and perfect feedback on the "long" lake up of the LEM. The reset on the trigger is longer than other HK models, unfortunately, but you can work through that easily.

There is no decocker on LEM P30's, but they still have a hammer. There are no extraneous levers or buttons to dicker with in the event you need to use your gun.

The P30 has full-on ambidextrous controls. It's a huge point for a fighting pistol.

The "Euro" mag release allows you to simply drop back your trigger finger to depress the release. You do not have to shift your firing grip, use your off-hand, or "flip" the gun inboard to get a thumb on a grip release. For that it's a dream gun for those with smaller hands, but the large-handed benefit as well.

I owned 4 at one time, including the long slide. I have put them through 3 classes and shot USPSA with one. I have roughly 20,000 rounds through 3 P30's with exactly 1 FTE. ~12,000 of those is through one gun.

The DA pull on the DA/SA P30 is horrible and silly. Send it to Bruce Gray if your insist on a traditional double action.

Glocks are fine guns, though.

The comment about the Walther and the P30 being the "same" is the most ridiculous thing I've read on the internet all month, sorry.

HKGuns
January 21, 2012, 09:01 AM
The HK is an "HK" the gLoCk is just a gLoCk. There is no direct comparison. The ergonomics are far better on any HK and the operating principles are different, HK's are hammer fired and gLoCk is striker. The grip angle on the HK is correct, the gLoCk is all wrong. The grip on the HK feels like it is a part of your hand, the gLoCk feels like a bLoCk.

I don't like gLoCk's, so I am BIASED. You made the correct choice, you don't see a lot of comments about HK here because gLoCk's are cheaper and more people own them. Some of them are quite obnoxious about their love for their gLoCk's and they can be quite annoying at times.

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wanderinwalker
January 21, 2012, 09:45 AM
The HK is an "HK" the gLoCk is just a gLoCk. There is no direct comparison. The ergonomics are far better on any HK and the operating principles are different, HK's are hammer fired and gLoCk is striker. The grip angle on the HK is correct, the gLoCk is all wrong. The grip on the HK feels like it is a part of your hand, the gLoCk feels like a bLoCk.

I don't like gLoCk's, so I am BIASED. You made the correct choice, you don't see a lot of comments about HK here because gLoCk's are cheaper and more people own them. Some of them are quite obnoxious about their love for their gLoCk's and they can be quite annoying at times.

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HKs, so reliable they'll even feed with the rounds backwards from the looks of the picture...

Aiko492
January 21, 2012, 11:58 AM
I have never shot the P30 but have owned 5 HK USP's over 17 years, love them equally along with my Glocks. The HK is super reliable (as is Glock) but is more versatile in how you can carry it.

For me the P30 would be a bit on the large side for EDC but if it like any other HK, I would trust my life on it. So I think you made a very good choice.

5-SHOTS
January 21, 2012, 12:48 PM
Several months ago I made a review of the my father's P30, if you want to take a look.
All I can say is: put the P30 against a polymer opponent and you'll snap understand why it costs more and why HK is still able to sell it at that price.
The Glock 19 is a great pistol, simple to operate, has a bunch of aftermarket parts, holsters and so on but I prefere the P30, out of the box, in every aspect.

ejpk
January 21, 2012, 01:50 PM
I was considering the same thing as you... Glock 19 vs... what else? I ended up getting a P30. I could shoot crazy tight groups with the Glock but just couldn't get used to the grip angle and thickness - I mean, I really don't like the feel of the Glocks (but I otherwise love them). The P30 felt perfect... Like, I can point the P30 without looking down the sights and they will always be aligned. That's a big deal.

The trigger smoothed out nicely somewhere around 500 rounds and now I actually really like the trigger. I carry the gun all the time and the heavier pull makes me feel better about having a round chambered. I think it's like 11 lbs DA and 4.5 lbs SA... Irrespective, I can hit the steel plate at 100 yrds pretty consistently and shoot a quarter every time at 7 yrds if I actually try. On top of that, the gun cycles any ammo I put through it (junk, reloads, premium, whatever) so I think the gun is fine overall. I have well over 5,000 rounds through it without any issue. I trust it and I can shoot it acceptably well... as in... I'll never have a doubt if I ever have to use it.

I also prefer the DA/SA setup... I like having a hammer. I've had the gun for a few years now and it's my go-to favorite of the bunch.

I guess you've had it for a few months now... what are your impressions? Like it?

Well it has now been 3 months since I got my P30 and I have put 400 flawlwess rounds through it. I love the feel and ergonomics of this pistol and I am hitting the target pretty well. I wish I had known about the LEM trigger configuration, because I think I would like that better. However, I have become accustomed to the trigger pull and it does seem to be "getting smoother" as it has broken in. I don't like the long DA trigger pull and prefer to use SA mode at the range. The pistol is comfortable and reliable and is my favorite handgun.
I did purchase it rather impulsevly, (without having ever shot one and without my normal research and due diligence,) and I overpaid for it, but have now overcome my "buyer's remorse" and am happy that I have added this gun to my arsenal. ;)

memphisjim
January 21, 2012, 01:52 PM
i held one and loved the feel of the grip it may be my next gun purchace , but doubt it will over take a glock 19 as main carry

HOOfan_1
January 21, 2012, 02:33 PM
HKs, so reliable they'll even feed with the rounds backwards from the looks of the picture...

Same photographer as the more famous backwards ammo? Or perhaps that is just a parody of that one.

As for annyoing Glock owners...there are people whom others find annoying in their love for just about every brand.

SIG
HK
Glock
Smith and Wesson
Walther
etc.

There are also people who become annoying in their general hatred of various brands as well...

Ruger
CZ
SIG
Glock
etc.

NG VI
January 21, 2012, 02:51 PM
I don't think that's the first time I've seen an HK glamour shot or ad photo with cartridges loaded backwards in the magazine.

It's just funny that you happened to use a photo that screwed up to cap a post about how awful Glocks and their owners are.

HKGuns
January 21, 2012, 03:16 PM
happened to use a photo that screwed up to cap a post

That photo is far from "screwed up". The post was not about how awful gLoCk owners are, it was a single sentence.

saturno_v
January 21, 2012, 09:18 PM
I'm biased because I do not like Glock...for what is worth you got a nicer pistol and a SA/DA platform......in few words you got a superior firearm IMHO.

NG VI
January 21, 2012, 10:21 PM
Cartridges are loaded into the magazine backwards, in a glamour shot of a pistol which is designed with one purpose, and that's for life and death combat. Seems pretty mixed up to me. My last post was full of typos, I think the cold is hurting my dexterity.

My first gun was a USP .40, loved it, fantastic pistol, but I don't think that Glocks are useless, and in some ways they are better than HKs, period. They are trimmer in the slide than HKs are, they have less protrusions, both of which make them better suited for concealed carry, even if the HKs still work well for it, and the DA trigger on the HK I owned wasn't all that great. Even the single action wasn't significantly better than the trigger on my Glocks 23 and 27.

HKs are excellent, superb weapons, but they are functionally not $300 more gun than a Glock.

Bullz
January 22, 2012, 02:36 AM
yeah... I don't know about all that... A good friend of mine likes to buy handguns and he does a funny thing. He sets his price ceiling at $500 per gun. He just doesn't want to spend more than that for whatever reason (doesn't really matter). But what I figured out is that he has a price discriminatory mindset and I think that same mind set shows up with the Glock advocates. You know what I mean... it's the, "we got a superbly reliable gun for 60% of the cost of your over priced whatever... because it wasn't as inexpensive as what we got... blah blah blah" (All fairness, everyone has a threshold, it's just a question of how much).

Back to my friend, sometimes I look at some of the crappy guns he bought (he has two by one brand that have been nothing but trouble) and wonder what he was thinking. For what he paid for both of those junkers, he could have had a really nice 1911 or something collectable for the $1,000 and change he spent. But no, he's got two marginally acceptable guns that sit in the safe because they suck to shoot.

Dollars and cents aside, both brands have a lot going for them... like I said... I love the way Glocks shoot... but oh man... the feeling... I just wouldn't want to carry or use it regularly. I mean, that's what the extra money is buying you if you're going to split the details.

One day we were trying to figure out what the heck makes an HK cost more than the Glock because from what we could tell they both worked about the same. So we put the G19 and the P30 next to each other and started looking at the differences. G19 ~$500 P30 ~$750... The P30 is a more elaborate design... I wouldn't say more complicated because the mechanics of it seem simple enough to me... but there are substantially more machining actions on the P30 and it clearly shows. Everything from the engraving, to the slide angles, to the interior cutouts. I can't really say the quality is better on one vs the other because we both put the bullets in the same place every time. But we both agree that the P30 is leaps and bounds more comfortable - to handle, to shoot, and to carry. It's also easier on the eyes. It all boils down to a bunch of subjective nonsense and an extra $250... So whatever... That just the story of a couple guys.

Samgotit
January 22, 2012, 08:14 AM
HKs are excellent, superb weapons, but they are functionally not $300 more gun than a Glock.

I see that point getting recycled a lot when HK is the topic, but $300 is nothing, zero, squat. Overtime, actual shooters will put that amount of money through the gun in less than 2 thousand rounds.

I have spent roughly 3 times the gun's price feeding it so far. And by the end of its life the number will conceivably be closer to 9 times what I payed for the gun.

$300 to have a perfect grip (for me) and ambi controls that allow me to keep a full firing grip when manipulating them.... well, it's not even a consideration. It's peanuts.

Still, the consumables way out price the gun's cost; again, for actual shooters. If it's going to sit in the safe or see 50 rounds at the range every three months, then maybe you have a point.

HKGuns
January 22, 2012, 09:28 AM
Cartridges are loaded into the magazine backwards, in a glamour shot of a pistol which is designed with one purpose, and that's for life and death combat. Seems pretty mixed up to me.

One word. YOGA

Prince Yamato
January 22, 2012, 09:50 AM
I really like the feel of HK handguns. I just don't like hammer fired pistols with a heavy DA pull. My Glock has a 3lb tuned trigger. Get me that on the HK and I'd trade my Glock in. Well, that and I'd need a factory threaded barrel in 13.5x1LH for my suppressor.

2005 Vette
January 22, 2012, 12:02 PM
Most hand guns are quality, fire every time and have loyal followers. To me it boils down to what you buy and get used to. Do you like the DA-SA or striker fire. I have both and like the striker action best. I just like to same pull each time.

sigarms228
January 22, 2012, 12:12 PM
I see that point getting recycled a lot when HK is the topic, but $300 is nothing, zero, squat. Overtime, actual shooters will put that amount of money through the gun in less than 2 thousand rounds.

I have spent roughly 3 times the gun's price feeding it so far. And by the end of its life the number will conceivably be closer to 9 times what I payed for the gun.

$300 to have a perfect grip (for me) and ambi controls that allow me to keep a full firing grip when manipulating them.... well, it's not even a consideration. It's peanuts.

Still, the consumables way out price the gun's cost; again, for actual shooters. If it's going to sit in the safe or see 50 rounds at the range every three months, then maybe you have a point.

Very well said!

Hi-Point owners say that a Glock does not do anything more functionaly than their Hi-Point for the extra $300 also.

People need to think "investment" when making decisions such as buying a pistol and not an expense. The investment is in your personal enjoyment, owner statisfaction, personal performance, and safety.

Also just because one person does not see the value of the extra investment does not mean others will not.

Many make a firearm purchase based on what will be good enough for them while others want what will be the best for them.

I see this all the time at the range where one (probably most) will put a silhouette target 15 feet away and blast away and be happy that they got most shots on the paper and call it a day. Others will put an 8 inch target at 75 feet be disappointed that they missed the target one time.

Samgotit
January 22, 2012, 01:16 PM
Most hand guns are quality, fire every time and have loyal followers. To me it boils down to what you buy and get used to. Do you like the DA-SA or striker fire. I have both and like the striker action best. I just like to same pull each time.

An LEM equipped HK has the same trigger pull each time.

I really like the feel of HK handguns. I just don't like hammer fired pistols with a heavy DA pull.

There is no DA pull on LEM equipped HKs.

Samgotit
January 22, 2012, 01:32 PM
People need to think "investment" when making decisions such as buying a pistol and not an expense. The investment is in your personal enjoyment, owner statisfaction, personal performance, and safety.

Now that is well said.

NG VI
January 22, 2012, 02:12 PM
The $250 price difference between Glock and HK gets you a 'nicer', but exactly equally functional weapon.

The $250 difference between a Hi-Point and a Glock gets you a weapon that is significantly better suited for competition, defense, whatever you might need a handgun for other than pure plinking.

I never said HKs aren't worth their price, but the price reflects an awful lot of machining that a different design, the Glock, doesn't have.

Does the price reflect a tougher finish? Not really, HK's hostile environment finish appears to work just as well as Glock's tennifer, no better, no worse.

Does the price reflect a more reliable weapon? Doesn't appear that way, given the Glocks with round counts in the hundreds of thousands.

Does it reflect better materials? Well, the type of polymer feels a little different between them, but one has not proven to be superior to the other yet. The metals, well they have both been treated with an excellent corrosion resistant process, so corrosion has not shown itself to be an issue with either pistol. So it seems they are equal in that regard, except the HK pistols do weigh more, have more metal in them than the Glock. Not sure if that's an advantage or disadvantage, the larger and heavier slide seems to tame the recoil of .40 caliber pistols better, but makes for a somewhat bulkier and heavier gun. The barrels in both are cold hammer forged, polygonal-bored, and both are accurate for a fighting-type pistol. I'm calling materials equal as well.

Does the price difference go into making the HK easier for the owner to service at home? Neither pistol is extremely complicated, but the edge definitely goes to the Glock design, someone with a modicum of mechanical inclination and an appropriate punch can replace pretty much every small part in their pistol in a matter of a few minutes and put it back together the right way. I never tried to detail strip my HK, seemed like it was best to leave it alone.



HKs cost more because they are a manufactured good that is made in a more expensive way than the Glock is. Not because they are an objectively better weapon. If they fit your hands better, if you like their sights better, if you want a hammer fired gun instead of a striker fired one, they are subjectively better for you. HK pistols may be a better fit for you, but they are not a better pistol than an equivalent Glock. And it cuts both ways. Many people would rather have a concealed primer igniter, or a lighter trigger or gun, or maybe they just have little room to spare in their waistband and want a pistol like the HK, Glock, XD, but how trim the slide is plays a part in deciding which pistol to get.

Like you guys just said, the price difference is pretty insignificant. The pistols themselves are not priced on an inferior-superior scale though, they are priced based on how much the market will pay and how much it cost to produce them. The HK is a more expensive pistol, because it was designed that way. Not because it's better.

Fishbed77
January 22, 2012, 08:46 PM
You can get a P30 for 300 dollars less by purchasing the original Walther P99. Only difference in any measure is hammer fired vs striker fired in the P99.

The mag release on the P99 is easier to use, though both are superior (in my opinion) to the buttons.

I second this opinion, but you forgot to mention how much better the trigger is on the Walther compared to the H&K (not to mention the lowly Glock - we won't even pick on it).

Bullz
January 23, 2012, 09:27 AM
I'm with NG VI. I think he has it nailed down...

NG VI
January 23, 2012, 08:46 PM
No rebuttals?

solman
January 24, 2012, 01:52 PM
To the OP you bought a great gun enjoy it. I have one in .40 and love it. I also happen to have a Glock 19 which I love to shoot as well. They're a little bit like apples and oranges as in one is a striker fired gun and one is hammer fired gun. For me I like the way the p30 feels in my hand. Makes it easy for me to shoot accurately and has been 100% reliable every time out. I also like the decocker function and its location. gives you the benefit of a da trigger if you want or need it, yet still shoots sa for the most part. And iirc you get a second trigger strike with that gun if it missfires. Also this is a truly ambidextrous gun with the mag release and safety on both sides.
The Glock is a great gun as well just pull the trigger and it goes bang. Nothing much to fuss with and it just always seems to work. I have a much maligned gen 4 and haven't had a problem with it yet in a few hundred rounds I shot it.
Just get both and your dilema is resolved.
Solman

gym
January 24, 2012, 11:29 PM
I think it's pretty much what you get used to. If you carry a Glock the Hk is going to feel "diferent" and vice versa. We get used to things and the to switch is difficult. You should shoot what you shoot best it's that simple.

NinjaFeint
January 24, 2012, 11:34 PM
The HK is an "HK" the gLoCk is just a gLoCk. There is no direct comparison. The ergonomics are far better on any HK and the operating principles are different, HK's are hammer fired and gLoCk is striker. The grip angle on the HK is correct, the gLoCk is all wrong. The grip on the HK feels like it is a part of your hand, the gLoCk feels like a bLoCk.

I don't like gLoCk's, so I am BIASED. You made the correct choice, you don't see a lot of comments about HK here because gLoCk's are cheaper and more people own them. Some of them are quite obnoxious about their love for their gLoCk's and they can be quite annoying at times.


Looks like the HK fellas make up for the lack of quantity with a higher level of obnoxious.

Also, my main problem with HK's is they are hideous. I can deal with plain ugly but busy ugly is too much.

SARDiver
January 24, 2012, 11:48 PM
I've shot Glocks. I own HKs. I like the grip angle more and the ergonomics on the HKs. I know too many Glock shooters who have made extensive modifications to their weapons to be of the mind that Glocks are great right out of the box. I've also seen a great many malfunctions with Glocks. Perhaps that's because so many people shoot them in competition that it skews the number of malfunctions I've seen. I have had a bad magazine in an HK P7M13 cause malfunctions, but I haven't had malfunctions with the "combat" HKs I own.

I like hammer fired over striker fired for defense. More power to the firing pin/primer and the chance to hit the primer again on a misfire.

I like the DA/SA on the P30 and P30L and actually don't have an accuracy problem on the first shot. (When on the range, it's more noticeable. When on the clock in competition, I barely think about the trigger pull. I just focus on the front sight.)

HKs are built to withstand a shot fired with an obstructed barrel, feel better to me overall, and have a bit more safety (in my mind) than the Glocks. The Glocks are fine pistols if that's what you want...don't get me wrong. It wasn't what *I* wanted.

I will also say that I went out and looked at specs and reviews before I really began acquiring firearms. I had a 1911 and a 686, but wanted more capacity and an easy to use firearm that the wife could operate (and had a Picatinney rail). I didn't decide to buy an HK and justified it. I went looking for the best weapon I could find and believe I found it in the HK. (In the end, I was down to a SIG and the HK45. I chose the HK45 and have never regretted it.)

SARDiver
January 24, 2012, 11:58 PM
One other thing...If I were to transition from the HKs to any striker fired weapon, it would be the S&W M&P, not the Glock. My three cents.

HKGuns
January 25, 2012, 09:57 PM
Never mind. Not even worth responding to......

MarshallDodge
January 25, 2012, 10:24 PM
If you don't like the HK DA/SA and want something more like a Glock trigger then check out the version 1 or 2 LEM (Law Enforcement Mode) triggers that HK offers.

I had a Gen 3Glock 19 and while I think it is a fine pistol for what it is, the HK P30 is sooo much nicer. Mine has the V2 LEM setup and I really like that it has an exposed hammer that I can put my thumb on when holstering. Adds a little extra insurance that the trigger is not getting depressed.

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