Hikock45 seems to like Glock Gen 4 more than Gen 3, what say you?


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wacki
October 22, 2011, 12:29 PM
OK, hikock45 loves his glocks. He seems to like the Gen 4 better because:

1) The Gen 3 models have a slick "teflon" finish where the Gen 4 slide coatings are closer to what the Gen 2 had. Gen 4 is easier to grab and not as shiny.

2) Gen 4's mag release is a bit bigger.

3) The dual recoil spring makes a noticable but not huge improvement in recoil kickup.

The video is linked to below. Anyway, I know most people will say Gen 3 because of time tested reliability but I suspect Glock will do whatever it takes to make Gen 4 reach that reliability level (like updating the spring). So that *seems* somewhat of a non-issue to me. The basic design is about the same anyway. You guys probably know more than me so what say you?





Hickok45 video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXS3c110Te4&feature=relmfu

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W.E.G.
October 22, 2011, 12:49 PM
I say Hickock45 is allowed to like whatever he likes.

And from watching a few of his vids, I expect him to be circumspect on matters of "superior" product.

sigarms228
October 22, 2011, 01:03 PM
I say I am keeping my Gen 2 Glock 19.

wally
October 22, 2011, 06:09 PM
I never liked Glocks because they just don't fit me well. The Gen4 are the first that fit well enough for me to shoot well with.

R.W.Dale
October 22, 2011, 06:22 PM
Well I for one hope the Gen III never goes away

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REAPER4206969
October 22, 2011, 07:59 PM
Isn't he getting supported by Glock somehow?

Of course he's going to pimp Their less than stellar selling products.

Also, the semi-gloss black finish is unarguably more durable than the new phosphate.

ku4hx
October 22, 2011, 08:21 PM
Over the years I've accumulated Gen2 17 & 20, Gen3 19, 22, 23, 26, 27, 30SF and Gen4 19. I had a problem initially with the 30SF not going fully into battery but Glock fixed that under warranty.

My Gen4 19 runs just like the rest which is essentially flawlessly.

But, guns are like babies, you have to feed them the right stuff and clean their messy behinds regularly.

walk soft
October 22, 2011, 08:32 PM
I agree with him but only because of the new grip and texture.As far as reliability goes I can't tell the difference(0 issues).I've shot my Gen 4 26 1625 rounds and my Gen 4 17 1450 rounds without an issue.I feel for the Gen 4 owners with issues but i don't think there are as many as believed because with my luck I shoulda got 2 with issues.

ritepath
October 22, 2011, 09:52 PM
I looked at a gen4 g23 yesterday....I really liked the feel of it. I just can't decide what I want for my next pistol other than a 40 Smith.

Hangingrock
October 23, 2011, 09:39 AM
I make decisions constantly be they good, bad, or indifferent. I’m not contemptuous of expert commentary but suspect of the commentators motives of the commentary. Yes color me cynical and jaded by decades of exposure to gun speak agenda.

sturmgewehr
October 23, 2011, 01:02 PM
In .40 and .45 the Gen 4 recoil system does seem to help a little bit in terms of felt recoil. When I say a little, I do mean a little. It's not a night and day difference and unless you're shooting them side by side and paying close attention, you would likely never know the difference.

The Gen 4 system in the G17 and G19 is a big mistake on Glocks part. The 9mm doesn't need additional recoil management, they have next to no recoil to begin with. They should have never adopted the Gen 4 system in the 9mm guns. It's not only unnecessary but it's caused many problems for many shooters and thus has resulted in several spring updates. I've seen more failures with Gen 4 9mm Glocks than any previous version of the design. It's not a myth, it's a fact - they reduced the reliability of the 9mm guns with the new spring system and in exchange for no appreciable gain in recoil management or shootability.

The half baked user changeable grips on the Gen 4 guns is another raced to market feature in a failed attempt to mimic the competition. The inserts are poorly designed and I've yet to meet anyone that actually used them or liked them. I hope the trend Glock has been following where they race poorly designed and tested updates to market in an effort to respond to competitive designs, stops. Glock used to lead the market in innovation and now they're jerry rigging their pistols with poorly designed updates trying to keep pace with the competition.

Perhaps Glock should design a whole new handgun from the ground up that incorporates these design changes and leave the original time proven Glock series unmolested.

Inebriated
October 23, 2011, 07:02 PM
Perhaps Glock should design a whole new handgun from the ground up that incorporates these design changes and leave the original time proven Glock series unmolested.

Couldn't agree more. I think their fans (I'm not necessarily one) have started losing interest in their Gen 4 line, which isn't good if they plan on phasing out the Gen 3.

Also, I have possibly watched all your videos twice. over. This is like meeting a star... lol

GLOOB
October 23, 2011, 07:44 PM
The Gen4 G19 is really, really good, as long as you're not a 100 lb arthritic female shooting really weak target ammo. There's nothing wrong with the new recoil springs for most shooters who aren't trying to use super light gaming loads or Walmart FC.

Fact is, American 9mm ammo in general, and Walmart offerings in particular, are substantially weaker than European/NATO luger ammo. FTR, I have no problems with Wally FC, but my diminutive shooting buddy does.

unless you're shooting them side by side and paying close attention, you would likely never know the difference.
Unless you've shot anything other than your own gun, it's going to be the best thing in the world. An improvement is an improvement. And it applies to the 9mm version, as well, so long as it's reliable... for you.

The grip straps are ok. I like the fact the smallest option has slightly less of a hump than a Gen 3. That's enough for it to be an improvement, to me. That hump IS one of the biggest ergonomic complaints about Glocks.

I prefer the Gen 3 frying pan finish and mag release, though.

I've shot at least 300 rounds (probably closer to 700) through a Gen4 G19, with both 03 and 04 springs, and I've never experienced a failure. If they cost the same, and I was new to the market, I'd take a Gen 4 if I wanted a SD handgun/plinker. The Gen 3 might win if I were planning to play shooting games with minimum recoil loads.

David E
October 23, 2011, 07:53 PM
. There's nothing wrong with the new recoil springs for most shooters who aren't trying to use super light gaming loads, IMO.
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What "super light gaming loads" would those be?

USPSA and IDPA, where you'll find those guns in competition, both have power factors specifically to prevent the use of "super light gaming loads."

GLOOB
October 23, 2011, 08:14 PM
125pF is a 125gr bullet doing 1000fps. That's light.

Just looked up the specs for Americal Eagle, 125gr @ 1150. Winchester USA 124gr @ 1140. Even Blazer pushes 124 gr @ 1090. My reloads are 125 @ around 1150.

PO2Hammer
October 23, 2011, 08:48 PM
I'm not a fan of the shiny gen 3 slide finish, it is too slippery IMO. In winter I tend to have very dry skin and I always feel like I'm on the verge of having my hand slip off the slide when I rack it.

The gen 4 G-17 I shot did have noticeably softer recoil than the gen 3 G-17.

But Hickock's opinion is no more important to me than anyone else's. He's a great shot and he's in a neat position with a great home range and everyone sending him guns and ammo to try out.
I guess I am envious.

helitack32f1
October 24, 2011, 02:21 AM
Well contrary to what some people may say, I love the Gen 4 gun. I have carried a G23 since 1993 for concealed carry. I currently own two and have owned three of those. Now, the only gun I have actually considered replacing it with is the Gen 4 G23. On that particular gun, I like the reduced grip size and can appreciate any appreciable reduction in felt recoil brought about by the new twin spring recoil assembly.

On the other hand, I also own a Gen 4 G17. I have been lucky enough to have a problem free version and I am convinced that they have worked out the problems with the recoil spring assembly, through their current exchange program. If the dual spring RSA does reduce felt recoil, it is a benefit. The other selling point they use is extended life of the RSA over the single spring unit. Another bonus in my mind. As far as the grip adjustment goes, i have no problem with it and on this gun I prefer the larger one. It is easy to install and remove. It works. I personally don't care how their version of grip adjustment compares to others as long as it works. And it does.

It is interesting to note that one of the long time complaints about Glock is that they essentially hadn't changed their gun since it's inception. Then, they change it and now you have all these people saying "Don't mess with success, they should have left it alone."

I do not believe creating the Gen 4 was a mistake. I believe it improved the product in the end, even though there were a few teething problems, some of which were occurring on the blessed 3rd gen guns, such as extractor issues.

Do I think they could have done a better job initially? Yes. But I can honestly say, every Glock I purchase from now on will be a Gen 4. They are that much better in my experience.

Apocalypse-Now
October 24, 2011, 04:44 AM
for all models but the g17/19, the gen4's are at least as good, or superior--(the gen4 40cals have no reliability issues with tac lights).


until it's clear the gen4 17/19's work right, i won't recommend them to friends. all other gen4's have been good to go out of the gate.




....and who cares what "hickok thinks"? he's just some guy that makes youtube vids. he seems to know little to nothing about the inner workings of any of his guns.





Also, the semi-gloss black finish is unarguably more durable than the new phosphate.

this is true. the new parkarized type finish blows. however, it's not gen4 specific. all new gen3's now come with it, unfortunately.


reaper, i suspect you are a closet gen4 fan :evil:


:D

Inebriated
October 24, 2011, 05:04 AM
....and who cares what "hickok thinks"? he's just some guy that makes youtube vids. he seems to know little to nothing about the inner workings of any of his guns.

He's got a considerable amount of experience, and a lot of people value what he, as an active shooter, especially with Glock, has to say. And what leads you to believe he knows "little to nothing" about the inner workings of his guns?

NMPOPS
October 24, 2011, 07:05 AM
As long as Gen 2 or 3 models are around that's what I'll buy. Heard to mant complaints about the Gen 4

Sent from my Ally

Apocalypse-Now
October 24, 2011, 08:59 AM
He's got a considerable amount of experience,


ok.

Inebriated
October 24, 2011, 02:26 PM
ok.

Alright man, cool. Discredit any information from someone with experience just because you feel jealous (that's what I'm sensing between your posts in this thread and the other one) or you didn't get a reply to you PM. That's a brilliant way to go through life.

ny32182
October 24, 2011, 03:00 PM
I say form your own opinions.

I watched enough Hickock45 videos to see that he is just a guy who shoots. Millions of people out there could create the same content. His opinion deserves no more or no less credit than anyone else's just because he happens to have a camera.

Find and shoot the guns yourself, and then you will have an opinion rooted in your own experience rather than someone else's.

Greg528iT
October 24, 2011, 03:29 PM
I guess if you have a Gen III, and like Hikock think it's a bit slick gripping the slide, you can always throw a stripe of the grip tape over the top of the slide. It should look as IN PLACE as all the grip tape Hikock puts on his grips.

1KPerDay
October 24, 2011, 03:36 PM
Alright man, cool. Discredit any information from someone with experience just because you feel jealous (that's what I'm sensing between your posts in this thread and the other one) or you didn't get a reply to you PM. That's a brilliant way to go through life.
Calm down. :)

Personally I have zero interest in the Gen 4 glocks based on the initial feedback, and the fact that the Gen 2 and 3 glocks I have work fine for me. I do have extended mag releases on them, though.


Hickok45 says a lot of things. I like him and respect his opinion, but it's just that... his opinion. I disagree with him on quite a few things. I don't particularly like the G27, for example.

WinThePennant
October 24, 2011, 06:10 PM
If Hickock45 wasn't married to Glock, then I think he'd reconsider other guns out there. He'll give a gun a favorable review, but them he always brings up how it just isn't a Glock.

smitty704
October 24, 2011, 06:26 PM
My recent production gen 3 g19 that I purchased about 2 months ago(test fire date:6-3-11) was having some serious erratic ejection, and LOTS of stovepipes. I sent it to Glocks head quarters in Smyrna, Ga. When it returned I still had the same issues.

I lost all confidence in this pistol. It was intended to be my EDC. So I sent it in the second time, and explained to them that they either needed to give me my money back, or replace it with a gen 4 g19 with the latest RSA and ejector. He explained to me that he could not make that call, and that he had to ask his boss.

So he called me back 5 minutes later, and told me that his boss said they could swap my gen 3 g19 for a brand new gen 4 g19 other the latest RSA and ejector. That was 1 week ago, and I was told to expect it by next Monday.

So the bottom line here is that its not just the gen 4's that were having issues, its the gen 3's as well. It was an ejector problem. The only problem about the new ejector is that it ONLY fits in the gen 4.

So if you are stuck with gen 3 lemon(not all are having issues), they do not have a fix for you. They offered no fix for my gen 3, they had to swap it out for a gen 4 with the new RSA and ejector. So IMO, buy a gen 4 so if you have issues there is a fix out there for you.

**I am in no way bashing Glock, their CS has been beyond 110%, they paid for shipping both ways, and have made me a happy customer in the end. I give them 5 stars for CS.**

smitty704

GLOOB
October 24, 2011, 06:43 PM
Interesting. I assume you meant extractor?

I purchased a spare 9mm extractor back when I got my conversion barrel (totally unnecessary). Now I guess it's nice I have a spare for my 9mm Glock and/or future 3rd gen purchase.

Now that this extractor issue has risen it's head up, I personally wonder how much of Glock's infamous reliability was due to pure luck in final part dimensions, as opposed to careful in-the-first-place engineering.

Apocalypse-Now
October 24, 2011, 07:38 PM
Alright man, cool. Discredit any information from someone with experience just because you feel jealous (that's what I'm sensing between your posts in this thread and the other one) or you didn't get a reply to you PM. That's a brilliant way to go through life.


:scrutiny:

REAPER4206969
October 25, 2011, 01:08 AM
they do not have a fix for you.

The only fix they need is to stop doing whatever it is they changed.

Glock's have been working fine for nearly thirty years until these last two.

ForumSurfer
October 25, 2011, 10:22 AM
Apparently I'm lucky. I have 2500+ rounds through a gen4 19 with no issues to speak of. I took advantage of the recoil spring replacement program just so I could get a new spring, but I'm reluctant to change it since I'm just over the halfway point to necessitate a replacement.

My gen4 19 works, so my opinion is jaded. Personally, I love the new grip texture and the new mag release button. I prefer the old finish as the new one does wear (more) easily, but it is a glock so I really don't care what it looks like. The backstraps are cheesy and I could care less about them. I do like the difference in feel between a gen 3 and a gen 4 with no backstraps, but that is just me.

beatledog7
October 25, 2011, 11:51 AM
I've owned four Honda Accords in my life. I liked my '89 more than my '92, and I liked my '95 more than my '06. None of these were particularly exciting to drive, but they were all great for what they were designed to do, and I could rely on any one of them to perform flawlessly.

It's pretty much the same with Glocks. Mine's a Gen4, but the deciding factor for me had nothing to do with shooting performance. It was the variable backstrap (though I've gone back to the standard grip), reversible mag release, and three mags vice 2 that made me buy a Gen4 instead of a Gen3. I doubt if I could tell any difference in shooting them. I did the recoil spring change just yesterday and have yet to shoot with the new one. Never had an problems with the original after maybe 400 rounds.

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