Anyone suggest a budget sight pusher?


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intercooler
October 22, 2011, 09:13 PM
The XD is shooting to the right and a plastic hammer and plastic set wouldn't move it today. Time to purchase one but on the cheaper end!

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Zerodefect
October 22, 2011, 09:29 PM
-16oz hammer
-3/8" steel punch
-3/8" brass punch
-3M electrical tape
-dremel tool with cut off wheel
-some wood scraps
-heavy vice on heavy immovable tool bench
-red thread lock

Expensive sight pushers don't really work all that well, usually. Budget sight pushers are complete garbage. I use the above and that's never failed. Even sights on an XD or Kimber become a breeze with the proper tools.

Johnny Lightning
October 22, 2011, 10:05 PM
I have used the Uni tool/sight pusher on my springfield 1911 loaded and on my glocks and have had great results. I figure if I move a couple of sights myself it has payed for itself...considering the price of a gunsmith to do the job for you. I tried the vice method w/ the brass punch on my springfield first but didn't have much luck. The uni tool did it without much trouble and the glocks were very easy.

rcmodel
October 22, 2011, 10:08 PM
I would venture an educated guess that no cheap sight pusher is going to stand a chance of moving an XD front sight.
Maybe the rear one, maybe?

See this about that:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6974163&postcount=1

rc

rjrivero
October 23, 2011, 12:14 AM
There was a guy on Glocktalk that made a descent pusher at a good price. I don't know if he is still making them.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1214329

intercooler
October 23, 2011, 09:23 AM
Wow that one looks pretty nice. Need to see if he still sells them.

Lothar
October 23, 2011, 09:51 AM
I have used the Uni tool/sight pusher on my springfield 1911 loaded and on my glocks and have had great results.

I have one of those UNI-2OOLs, and hate it. I tried to use it on my Browning Hi-Power. With great difficulty, I was finally able to get it to remove my sights, but the gun's slide kept twisting in the tool as the pusher was tightened, so I couldn't keep it aligned properly. This even happens to the guy who is trying to demonstrate the tool in the video on their website. I ended up marring my gun's finish in a couple of spots.

It might work better on guns with a more squared-off top edge to the slide (like the XD). Better yet, use a pusher that is designed for your particular gun model, if there is one, or just pay a gunsmith to do it. It would be a lot cheaper than buying the tool.

ElrodCod
October 23, 2011, 10:03 AM
XD sights are hard to drift. Call Springfield & tell tem about it & they'll probably send you a call tag to send it in. I had an XD-9 Tactical that shot way off & they took care of it with the shipping both ways on their nickle. It took about 10 days to get the gun back.

Jed Carter
October 23, 2011, 10:54 AM
May not fit the "budget" but here is a link to Midway USA http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/520237/maryland-gun-works-front-and-rear-sight-tool-springfield-xd-xdm .

AK103K
October 23, 2011, 10:55 AM
Expensive sight pushers don't really work all that well, usually.
I have to disagree here. I have a couple of MGW sight tools (not really all that expensive either), and they work great. From the looks of them, they are the makers for the "factory" tools, that usually sell for twice as much too.

The tool I have for my SIG's does both the front and rear sights. It has "witness" marks on the tool for zeroing. Having replaced a number of sets of night sights with it, Ive only had one gun that wasnt "zeroed" on the first firing, and it was only slightly off.

Those old night sights are actually what paid for the tool too. You can usually get about half of what a new set costs selling them on EBay.

Zerodefect
October 23, 2011, 12:15 PM
Also note that getting new sights in, is only as hard as you make it. The more time you spend fitting the sight the easier it will go in.

I err more towards a sight too big that will get slightly marred when I put it in. Rather than a sight that'll slide in too easy but not get marked up from pushing it.

And factory sights that are super hard to remove, are really easy to remove after you cut them in half with a dremel.

rcmodel
October 23, 2011, 12:39 PM
I might add that SIG sights are childs play compared to Springfield's.

At least in my experiance they have been.

rc

Capt. Ct.
October 23, 2011, 12:51 PM
My local gunsmith will move sights for free. You may check with a smith and see. It shouldn't be that expensive anyway. I just put night sights on my new Glock 26. The plastic punch small hammer and vice worked fine until I went a little too far and couldn't get it to move back. I took a steel bolt and larger hammer. It worked fine. Just put some tape over the end so you won't mar the sight. Check the tape to make sure the bolt doesn't punch through.

AK103K
October 23, 2011, 03:14 PM
The biggest advantage to the pushers for adjusting the sights is, they allow you to do fine adjustments vs just pounding away with no real feel for what youre doing.

They also take the risk of screwing up the vials in your night sights. I wouldnt use a hammer and punch on them myself.

With any of them, if youre installing "new" sights, or if the sights you took off are to tight, a couple of light drags of the base of the sights across a sheet of fine emery will usually make things a lot easier. The base is all you need address, and you dont want to touch the sides of the dovetails, and you certainly dont want to touch the gun itself.

You also want to make sure you know which way the sights are supposed to go on and come off. Some are direction specific.

Glocks for example, you should push the old sight out to the right, and pull the replacement in from the right to the left.

One other thing on Glock factory plastic sights. I have yet to get one to push out of the gun intact. The plastic has always separated from the metal embedded in the sight. I doubt they would hold up very well to a hammer and punch.

G27RR
October 23, 2011, 03:27 PM
Not sure what your budget is, but like a couple others I like the Uni-200L.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=581373

intercooler
October 24, 2011, 07:46 PM
$75 budget. Scott is out of stock but going to wait until he does some.

freeUS4Us
January 1, 2012, 09:37 PM
Anyone have contact information for Big Money Grip to order one of his sight pushers?

jackpinesavages
January 2, 2012, 10:08 AM
I ordered this one for doing my Glocks. If you do, make sure and get the one for "Tall" sights.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/884401/maryland-gun-works-rear-sight-tool-glock


It's worked on a ton of other pistols. Paid for itself and tough as nails.

buddhas
January 2, 2012, 10:35 PM
I have had good results by first applying Kano Kroil penetrating oil around (small amt.) the sight to be moved/removed. Let sit overnight then try either drift , MTM tool or P500 universal sight removal tool. Drift and P550 work pretty well on XD m.
Dawson Precision.com has an excellent video concerning sight removal with a drift.

sgtstryker
January 3, 2012, 10:19 PM
Maybe someone can lend you one. Ask around where you shoot, gun shops. They are pricey. Zerodefect has good advice, too. The sight tool allows changes while you shoot, tho.

trex1310
January 4, 2012, 11:17 PM
There is a member on THR (EdJennings) that was selling a sight
pusher of his design for $58. You might want to check with him.

guyfromohio
January 19, 2012, 03:10 PM
My new Sig 239's night sights were significantly off. Ordered the MGW sig sight tool from Midway and zeroed it first try. Actually used the tool last night and test-shot it today. Money! I couldn't get it to move as far as I wanted, so I turned it with a vice. For $110, I highly recommend!

Remllez
January 19, 2012, 04:28 PM
Lothar and Intercooler need to do some horse trading!

intercooler
January 19, 2012, 10:05 PM
This one E-Bay is pretty nice looking for the money:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Handgun-Rear-Sight-Pusher-Universal-Sight-Tool-GLOCK-SIG-1911-others-/170767080308?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c282db74

As for me I went adjustable like my other ones so it's good to go!;)


http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff100/Intercooler2/20120109_181822.jpg

Moptop
January 19, 2012, 10:26 PM
I built my own from scratch for less than 10 bucks. I adjusted the rear sight on my Kimber Royal II with it and it worked great. Kimbers are known for their extremely tight sight fits and it's true. I was told by a tech at Kimber that they use a hydraulic ram to insert them into the slide.

gunnutery
January 20, 2012, 12:38 AM
That's pretty cool Moptop. What did you use for the square?

Route666
January 20, 2012, 05:06 PM
Looks like some steel RHS (Rectangular Hollow Section - of course the rectangle is square in this instance) to me. The centre piece looks like it was laser-cut. A bit of grinding required on the thinner bit I see, usually is the case with small, pieces from thicker material, especially with thin shapes, the laser just gets it too hot and it melts too much. If you are going to get one made one, get whoever cuts the little piece to do it from stainless, use parameters on the laser for stainless / ally (use Nitrogen) or use a water-jet / machining, for a nicer finish. Of course the amount of dollars goes up with each suggestion there lol. No offense to the poster who made his own, not saying it looks shabby, if it works, then it really needs no improvement.

Moptop
January 20, 2012, 09:32 PM
Gunnutery, I just used a piece of square tubing stock. I went to my local steel supplier and he cut off a 1 1/2" for me for like... 3 bucks IIRC. The "pusher" is just bar stock. I used a angle grinder to get it to the rough shape and then used a bench grinder to finish it off. It's not much different from the one that is being sold on "whats their name" Bay except I built mine beefy-er
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Route 666, no lasers or high tech equip used here.... well maybe the drill press, if you want to call it high tech.

It does a great job. I used some thin cardboard to protect the slide sides while it was clamped in and used different thickness washers to shim it to the correct height. Yeah, I could have just bought one but I like to build and tinker and save a buck er two where I can. (which is used for more shooting stuff of course!)

Route666
January 21, 2012, 06:16 PM
So you cut the profile of the actual pusher piece on a drill-press? Cool! The tool marks look just like a piece that came out of a laser. It is a pretty ingenious design though!

Moptop
January 21, 2012, 09:38 PM
Route 666, no I didn't use the drill press for cutting it. I used two different types of grinders to shape it by hand. Nothining anyone else could not do. I only used the D/P for drilling holes in the frame and pusher where needed.

OcelotZ3
January 22, 2012, 02:38 AM
As someone who doesn't have the tools and also added up the time to make one, I bought the eBay one and it works great. Not sure about yours being "beefier" as the eBay is quite heavy/solid. I've used it on 3 slides so far with great results, one set of night sights.

dprice3844444
April 11, 2012, 06:54 PM
http://www.topgunsupply.com/mgw-sight-tools/

Walt Sherrill
April 11, 2012, 10:10 PM
Moptop:

A very innovative design. Looks like it will work with SOME guns, and not with others, as you seem to have limited vertical adjustment options.

I have the UNI tool, mentioned above, and used it on my BHP, recently. Twisting was an issue, and you really have to crank that thing down tight to minimize the twist.

I haven't had much trouble with other guns (CZs, SIGs, etc.) It must be something about the narrowness of the BHP slide and the location of the rear dovetail -- so far to the rear that the device doesn't get a good grip on the slide.. (It grips the front and rear of the slide, and not the area where the pressure is being applied.)

The UNI sight comes in handy, but it doesn't work well for ALL guns.

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