Short Barreled Rifles. What would you do?


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Jath
October 23, 2011, 02:13 AM
If you could convert any of your rifles or shotguns into an SBR, Which one would it be?

I would go with shortening my FNH PS90 to make it into just a P90.

That longer barrel pisses me off.

Also, check out the petition on this other thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=621100

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JHenry
October 23, 2011, 03:42 AM
p90 gains nothing from the 16" barrel since the round was designed to peak out of the full auto smg version, so if you have a carbine id definitly SBR it over an ar 15, ak 47, or any other firearm you might think of

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
October 23, 2011, 07:01 AM
Well, I'd do one on an AR-15, or make one competely legal out of a Draco pistol by putting a 5.5" flash hider and a butt stock.

rjrivero
October 23, 2011, 08:15 AM
I don't know. Maybe an AR15 or two. One in 5.56 and one in 9mm......
Oh wait.....I already did...:p

http://www.revolverforums.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=46&pictureid=265

gotigers
October 23, 2011, 09:00 AM
rjrivero: winner. You are proud of your SBRs. I cant blame you for showing them off. I really like your 9mm, everytime i see it. lol. keep it up.

My choice would be AR 9mm. Cheap ammo, less muzzle flash at night than a .223, less deaf if shot indoors,

Taurus44
October 23, 2011, 09:36 AM
I SBR'd a regular AR15 and a dedicated 9mm AR15. I also have an SBS'd Remington 870 12ga.

Next on my list is a stamp for one of my 15-22s. :eek:

MachIVshooter
October 23, 2011, 09:50 AM
Make a retractable stock for my PLR-16.

A 10" or 12" 10mm AR.

scramasax
October 23, 2011, 10:35 AM
Haven't made up my mind. If I do an sbr it will be in a pistol caliber or the 5.7X28. I'll probably also do an integril suppressor at the same time. I have a .45 and 9mm upper already. While 5.56 sbrs are easy you waste so much of the energy in muzzle blast.

The other two directions I plan on going, finances permitting is to shoulderstock a 1911 and sbs and O/U shotgun.

Cheers,

ts

benzy2
October 23, 2011, 10:54 AM
I don't personally find the appeal. All of the super short shotguns I've seen have been far worse to shoot than a non-sbs version. I'm not room clearing so having a 10" barreled AR doesn't make a bit of difference from a 16" version. The only rifles that it makes any sense on would be something that was originally say a submachine gun but was the produced without the MG parts and with a longer barrel. Something like the Uzi's or MP5 clones that all look funky because the barrel is far longer than the image we have all come to learn and know. At that point it's strictly for aesthetics. Beyond looks I couldn't justify it.

SaxonPig
October 23, 2011, 11:15 AM
Not into modern military style rifles. I think a 12" Model 92 Winchester would be way cool. I have seen original "Trapper Models" in 14" and 13" versions but never the 12" model which I hear was the shortest they offered and is the hardest to find. A modern repro 12" M92 in 357 Magnum would be fun.

451 Detonics
October 23, 2011, 11:35 AM
I like my AR in 5.56...definitely an attention getter at the range...

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z271/reloader1959/range%20day/shorty.jpg

I have been giving serious thought to giving my MPA-71 9mm a chop...with the 72 round Suomi drums it is fun all day long!

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z271/reloader1959/range%20day/mpa1.jpg

Legionnaire
October 23, 2011, 11:48 AM
If you could convert any of your rifles or shotguns into an SBR, Which one would it be? Seriously, I'd opt to SBR my T/C Encore rifle so I could put a folding stock on it and any of my pistol barrels. Yeah, it's a single shot, but it would be a great, easy packing carbine.

Tallinar
October 23, 2011, 12:11 PM
I've always wanted to slap a shoulder stock on a 12" model 92 lever carbine...

P.B.Walsh
October 23, 2011, 02:06 PM
A 1-10" twist, 12.5" (Light Palma) Kreiger barreled Winchester 70 in .308 + Manners T + USO 1-4x24mm + T.A.B. sling + BUIS + stock pack = Shorty Perfection!!!!!

Dane17
October 23, 2011, 03:09 PM
My 556 sbr has served me well.

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww157/lenardlex/all/Picture002.jpg

PO2Hammer
October 23, 2011, 05:09 PM
I would shorten my single shot NEF Handi rifle in .357 to about 12". With no action length, it would be tiny. (Don't own a semi auto)

69Rebel
October 24, 2011, 12:23 AM
A 10" barreled AR in 9mm or .45 would be pretty cool.

4thPointOfContact
October 24, 2011, 12:38 AM
#1 would be chopping the PS90 down to P90 length.
#2 would be giving in to temptation and chopping down the Bushmaster M17 that's sitting in the closet. Why? Just for the fun of it and I think the short piston wouldn't react badly to it.
Probably make it something like this:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f159/unnamed-source/modifiedBushmaster_M17S_right2.jpg

Jath
October 24, 2011, 12:42 AM
Great answers all! Don't forget to sign the petition. link is in the first post.

Zerodefect
October 24, 2011, 12:40 PM
I'd also SBR a P90.

Allthough I'm keeping my PS90 at 16" for the time being. I really don't need it any shorter, and the extra velocity is nice. It's allready shorter than a 14.5" AR and much lighter. I suppose if I had the need for a MP5 type rifle I'd SBR it.

Flopsweat
October 24, 2011, 02:25 PM
Saiga 12.

henschman
October 24, 2011, 02:54 PM
I guess probably my .410 "snake charmer." The short little plastic stock is basically worthless on it anyway, other than for holding shells. Every time I shoot it I just hold it out at arms length anyway. Might as well cut off the stock and chop the barrel down a little too. Then it would make something nice and handy to keep next to the car seat with some #4 buck in it. It looks like this:
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/customization/181744d1286549717-firearm-attachment-there-such-thing-snake-charmer.jpg

TonyAngel
October 24, 2011, 09:44 PM
What would I do? I want a lever action in .357 that is cut just long enough so that I can still fit six rounds in the magazine. That would be a might handy stick.

Robert
October 24, 2011, 11:06 PM
An upper for my AR and then slap a can on it.

TOU
December 1, 2011, 06:31 AM
Like the 556 above.

I would like to SBR a:

Daewoo DR-200
Beretta CX4 Storm
FN PS90

USAF_Vet
December 1, 2011, 02:28 PM
I like the idea of SBS'ing a break action shotgun. I've got an H&R .410 (very similar to the one above) for my stepson that he won't shoot so I've kinda inherited back. Wouldn't mind hacking the barrel down to about 8 inches and taking the stock down to just the pistol grip. Loaded up with one of the .410 personal defense shells, it would make a decent truck gun.

Just not about to spend $200 on a $100 shotgun, even if my state allowed short barrel shotguns/ rifles.

MasterSergeantA
December 1, 2011, 05:56 PM
Had my 'Woo done.
http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa274/MasterSergeantA/?action=view&current=shortwoo.jpg

TOU
December 2, 2011, 12:09 PM
NICE WOO! Who did the work, AZEX? If you don't mind, cost & hassle involved?

MasterSergeantA
December 2, 2011, 04:05 PM
Yup...AZEX. No hassle as I live here in Arizona and they are not far from my daughter's place. I opted to just buy one of the very few uppers he had already built so I could convert it back someday if I wanted to. I had sold my K1 since I just didn't want it anymore and the funds from that easily paid for the upper...about $1K. You can get the mods done for about half that if you ship them your upper. But I didn't mind paying extra for the option of long/short.

I liked your list, by the way. Don't think there is a lot you can shorten on the Storm, but I amwaiting on a Form 4 to pick up my buddy's PS90 and suppressor. Did a Sig556 a while back and plan to Form 1 my Vector 51P as well.

Dustin0
December 2, 2011, 04:28 PM
7.5 inch AR.

http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo238/ROC_Death/SBR75.jpg

TOU
December 2, 2011, 04:29 PM
I have two 200's and have been contemplating more seriously about just getting it done on one of them and leaving the other OEM. I am trying to decide if I would rather just have the complete extra upper for the 1K or just mod one of mine for half that.

Whats nice about buying just the upper, is you can do that and put it up for when you want to do the NFA stuff later if desired. Might be good to do all at one time with other cans and SBR's all at once.

Then again, besides the paper work confirmation you have to add the engraving of course. If I recall correctly, the problem I see with switching the upper back & forth, is that you technically are supposed to let the ATF know the new length of the barrel each time you swap it back & forth. But...extra parts is extra parts.

Looks like they have your rifle pictured on their add on GunBroker...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=263087269

I find the standard 200 a pleasure to shoot but feel it is heavier than I prefer...maybe a tad front heavy. So how is it to shoot short? How is the blast? Do you feel it blinds you? It sure seems the short AR's tend to do that. What is the final barrel length?

Dustin0
December 2, 2011, 04:30 PM
Does the 9mm AR use glock mags ?

KingTiger
December 2, 2011, 04:51 PM
Wow, I didn't know they were selling 'Woo SBR uppers, good to know.

Here's what I did to mine, no SBR, but it suppresses well due to the adjustable gas block.

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=59653

TOU
December 2, 2011, 05:56 PM
KingTiger...nice rig.

I liked your list, by the way.
Thx.

I also have a very sweet OEM folding VZ-58. (and some Saiga/AK's) I'm not "anti-establishment" or anything but I just don't go with things just because the masses do, nor am I a fan-boy on any one firearm or brand when it comes to anything "black". Which probably explains why I chose specific firearms that happen to be a bit "different". On that note, I have nothing against the AR's per se but just like the DR-200 option better overall...obvioulsy you must too. (Yes people...I get the part an platform interchangeability of AK's & AR's in a SHTF imaginary scenarios, but I'm pretty happy with my choices...after having tried just about everything.)

The PS90 is very cool for its intended application, is smaller (when SBR) than just about anything out there, is reliable and quality...and it strangely really appeals to me. The Storm also just make the most sense for it's application...no compromise in quality. (I also have Beretta side arms.) My only beefs on it is longer barrel (easily fixed), could use a better trigger (Easily fixed...here is a link to high quality us made hammer and trigger: http://sierrapapacx4.com/) and that it is not a folder. (NOT easily fixed).

Don't think there is a lot you can shorten on the Storm,

Barrel of course but a few have also have shortened the stock as well. Again, I wish someone made a replacement stock that was a folder. Here is what mine will eventually look like with the exception that mine is 9mm & mine will be threaded.

http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=20017&page=22

http://i39.tinypic.com/ame6wm.jpg

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=48&t=295956

The above comments are correct 922 does not apply to NFA it’s OK to thread the barrel on an SBR storm regardless of parts count. The ATF did at one point state that 922 still applied to SBR’d storms but they later retracted that and went back to the original and correct stance that 922 does NOT apply to NFA weapons.
I did not thread mine simply because a good .40 can costs more than I will ever spend on one. So I didn’t bother.
There is a company making 2 US trigger parts for the storm that count for 922 compliance on non-SBR storms. There are also us mags that count as three parts I can’t remember how many parts you need (it’s only 1 or 2). Here’s a link to the US made trigger group.
http://www.sierrapapacx4.com/
Here are a few more pics just for the heck of it.

http://i43.tinypic.com/1z5p4js.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/11cejc2.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/qpnvo2.jpg

rjrivero
December 2, 2011, 10:43 PM
Does the 9mm AR use glock mags ?

Talking about mine, Dustin? IF so, yes it does.

MasterSergeantA
December 3, 2011, 12:44 AM
"If I recall correctly, the problem I see with switching the upper back & forth, is that you technically are supposed to let the ATF know the new length of the barrel each time you swap it back & forth."

Not quite. Only a 'permanent' change needs to be reported. That isn't very well defined (big surprise...we ARE, after all, dealing with the ATF) so you could probably get away with just pulling the standard upper off when you are not shooting it and be in compliance. And if you decide to keep the original length, you just get rid of the short upper and drop a quick note to the ATF letting them know. They are 'supposed to' delete the record, but the smart money says they probably don't.

Girodin
December 3, 2011, 01:32 AM
I would go with shortening my FNH PS90 to make it into just a P90.

I'm tempted to do that to mine. However if I could only shorten one and I could just snap my fingers and have it done it would be a Saiga 12 without a doubt.

In reality, however, I think I am going to do a MKA 1919 instead of the S12. It should be a less labor intensive and therefor much less expensive job.

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