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Whacked
October 24, 2011, 01:54 AM
been thinking about something.
what would one do if they cannot find reloading data for a particular caliber or bullet weight or both?
or even for a particular powder you want to use but no recipe for the bullet?

I have cast 200g RNFP for my .45C
I've had my fun loading with black powder subs, now I want to try smokeless. I have everything except the powder to start.
Looking at the various load data I have (I bought the booklet of .45C from Midway) and I'm not sure where to start.
Obviously I can avoid anything Ruger/TC related as my SAA wont handle those loads. but looking at the rest of the cast loads, I am confused.

If I was to pick a powder, say Universal, and start with the lowest grain load listed, as I work up the load, how will I know I reached the max?

The more confused I get the more I think I'll be better off using the rest of the cast bullets I have for BP only (altho not terribly happy with results using 777) and buying bullets I have published data for.

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ArchAngelCD
October 24, 2011, 02:00 AM
Snice you are a Black Powder fan and want to now load smokeless loads I would highly recommend Trail Boss. You can't get enough Trail Boss into the case to harm your revolver (like BP) as long as you don't compress TB. If you want a more conventional powder Universal, Unique, W231, HS-6 or AA#5 will all work well.

gamestalker
October 24, 2011, 03:00 AM
I think anyone could offer better initial advice than ArchAngelCD has for new metallic reloader. One of, if not the most common mistakes made by new, and even seasoned reloader's, is accidental double charges.

However, I would like to add one more tip about such powders as Trail Boss and other slow burning powders. Don't reduce the charge to below minimum published data. Even though Trail Boss is less an issue in this manner than are some of the other slow burner's, it can still produce low pressures, and generally perform poorly when reduced below minimum.

murf
October 24, 2011, 03:04 AM
the speer #14 manual has load data for your bullet. the data is for a semi-wadcutter, but should suffice for your needs.

murf

ReloaderFred
October 24, 2011, 03:06 AM
I cast and shoot the .45 Colt 200 gr. RNFP bullet by the thousands. In fact, I just finished sizing and lubing another 3,000 of them this evening. I shoot smokeless exclusively in all my firearms. With this bullet I use Trail Boss. It's very accurate, though it's not a barn burner when it comes to velocity, but it will put the bullet where you want it to go. The Hodgdon manual has lots of loads for this bullet, including Trail Boss data. Just look under Cowboy Loads.

Hope this helps.

Fred

Lost Sheep
October 24, 2011, 04:17 AM
I think anyone could offer better initial advice than ArchAngelCD has for new metallic reloader. One of, if not the most common mistakes made by new, and even seasoned reloader's, is accidental double charges.

However, I would like to add one more tip about such powders as Trail Boss and other slow burning powders. Don't reduce the charge to below minimum published data. Even though Trail Boss is less an issue in this manner than are some of the other slow burner's, it can still produce low pressures, and generally perform poorly when reduced below minimum.
Gamestalker, did you proofread your post?

Lost Sheep

rcmodel
October 24, 2011, 12:14 PM
If I was to pick a powder, say Universal, and start with the lowest grain load listed, as I work up the load, how will I know I reached the max?You know you reached the max when you get to the max listed in the load data.

Hodgdon says your 200 LRNFP bullet uses a Starting load of Universal of 6.4 grains.
It also says the MAX is 8.8 grains.

So that right there is how you know.

http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

rc

Deavis
October 24, 2011, 02:49 PM
how will I know I reached the max

When you've reached the published maximum for that set of components or you have signs of pressure (hard extaction and case head growth). With no published data for a particular bullet, say a 200 LRNFP from MBC (awesome company) you can use the mic method but you are going to be hard pressed to uncover an issue in the 45Colt, even with published maxes given the low spec and high quality new revolvers compared to old SAAs.

Trail Boss and other slow burning powders.

Trail Boss is a fast powder, do I win the Lost Sheep award?

tightgroup tiger
October 24, 2011, 04:54 PM
Yea, I think you did

Whacked
October 24, 2011, 08:29 PM
I'll take a look for Trail Boss.
Until I can find another shop that carries powder, I'm limited to what my local bass pro carries.

kingmt
October 24, 2011, 09:32 PM
To try to answer the actual question asked. I assume your still using load data. You find the best match & it doesn't hurt to start lower. You might stick a bullet if you go to low but that is hard to do with lead.

Stop if cases get hard to extraxt but at that point your way over pressure.

Hondo 60
October 24, 2011, 10:42 PM
If you can't find a published load for your bullet, how about emailing the powder mfg?

When I started reloading MBC Cowboy # 4, I couldn't find an established load using Accurate #5.
So I emailed Accurate.
Within a day or two their ballistician emailed me back with a load I've been extremely happy with.
200 gr RNFP & 10.5 grains of AA#5 :D

http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=60&category=5&secondary=14&keywords=

http://www.jbabcock.net/guns/uberti_target.jpg

Fishslayer
October 25, 2011, 02:12 AM
Don't ya just hate it when the mall ninja in the next lane touches off his short barrelled AR RIGHT as yer squeezing off #6 in the group? :D

http://www.jbabcock.net/guns/uberti_target.jpg

ArchAngelCD
October 25, 2011, 02:50 AM
I think anyone could offer better initial advice than ArchAngelCD has for new metallic reloader. One of, if not the most common mistakes made by new, and even seasoned reloader's, is accidental double charges.

However, I would like to add one more tip about such powders as Trail Boss and other slow burning powders. Don't reduce the charge to below minimum published data. Even though Trail Boss is less an issue in this manner than are some of the other slow burner's, it can still produce low pressures, and generally perform poorly when reduced below minimum.
Gamestalker, did you proofread your post?
Trail Boss is a fast powder, do I win the Lost Sheep award?
Along with Trail Boss being a fast powder I truly hope the award would go to a missing word, Don't... As in "I Don't think anyone could offer better initial advice than ArchAngelCD has for new metallic reloader." :p

BullfrogKen
October 25, 2011, 09:38 AM
Plenty of choices . . .

Buy a loading manual
Get a powder manufacturer's promotional flyer
Go to a powder manufacturer's website and get the data on-line

MidwayUSA's load books are OK, but I've found the data to be dated. I don't know the last time they updated what they compiled into it, but the ones I looked at didn't include any recently introduced powder.

Lyman's manual has a lot of cast bullet data. And so do Hodgdon and Accurate Arms manuals. Don't buy a bullet manufacturer's manual hoping for lead data.

Walkalong
October 25, 2011, 10:41 AM
Excellent advise, and if you are going to load lead, go with the Lyman.

Deavis
October 25, 2011, 03:50 PM
Don't... As in "I Don't think

ha, I see that one now too. It is funny how your mind wants to correct things automatically as you read.

oneounceload
October 25, 2011, 04:06 PM
. Don't buy a bullet manufacturer's manual hoping for lead data.

SPEER has always good lead load data

BullfrogKen
October 25, 2011, 04:28 PM
I've found Speer's data to be limited to only the lead bullets in the weights they produce.

If what you've got is in there, great. If not, it's not. Lyman's manual has always catered to casters.


A good, one-size-fits-all book is Richard Lee's Modern Reloading.

ljnowell
October 25, 2011, 04:29 PM
oneounceload, isnt the lead data in the speer manual only thier swaged lead? I know thats all alliant lists online.

Walkalong
October 25, 2011, 08:29 PM
I have the RCBS (Speer) lead load book and it is limited to their bullets and there is not a lot of data. The Lyman is far superior.

1SOW
October 26, 2011, 10:25 PM
Back when I used Precision Delta 9mm 124gr fmjrn bullets, I had the same problem.

I used the "seating depth" off another bullet of the same weight and nose type. I seated the PD to the same depth, loaded light and worked up.

It worked very well. A chrono helps verify the results.

rfwobbly
October 30, 2011, 03:28 PM
Until I can find another shop that carries powder, I'm limited to what my local bass pro carries.

BassPro carries most of the Hodgdon powder line. You can get their loading data on-line here..... http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

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