CCW: Walther PPS? (.40)


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g_one
October 24, 2011, 12:22 PM
Hello all; I have been a reader of the forums here for quite some time, but I have always just used it for research and information; I finally broke down and registered (I will be moving over to the introduction section to post a bit more there later).

Wisconsin recently became the 49th state to pass a concealed carry bill, so I am new to CC. Milwaukee being as high in crime as it is, I have a Glock 23 as my bedside/home defense/range fun gun that I am very comfortable with and have no intention of replacing; at 6'3" 275 lbs I will be getting a good IWB (probably galco or high noon) holster and do not foresee any problems carrying it concealed.

My question is this:
I am looking for an alternative - a smaller, summer (pocket preferably, or IWB) gun - I loathe warm weather and dress very lightly when things heat back up. It may also serve as a decent backup (ankle?) gun to the G23 when the situation calls for it, and my research/range rental time have finally led me to the Walther PPS.

Before I purchase one however, I wanted to get the one thing I am missing: what you guys here at THR think about it (the Walther PPS in .40). Yes, I am set on the .40 S&W so any alternate suggestions please keep that in mind - I considered something in .380 but I have heard of too many feed issues with hollow point self defense rounds for the micro-sized .380's... and I just really love the .40

Thanks!

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Mango88
October 24, 2011, 10:06 PM
Hello g_one,
My experience with the PPS is that it is just a tad too large and heavy for me to use as a pocket pistol. I carry it in the winter in a belt slide holster and when I dress down for hot weather I pocket carry a Ruger LCR instead. There are several IWB and tuckable holsters made for it, with the six round mag it presents a fairly low profile. The mags are a bit expensive by the way. Check out some of the Walther forums for hints and tips about lubricating, cleaning, known problems etc.

billdeserthills
October 24, 2011, 11:47 PM
I say that for pocket carry it all depends on the size of your pockets. I wear shorts most all year (I'm in Arizona) but even with jeans if you buy the right one's I can stuff my .45 Kimber Ultra Ten 2 into a side pocket & then stuff my wad of cash (mostly $1 & $5 dollar bills) down in front of the gun to further conceal it. I think the Walther PPS might be a bit long, but that depends on the clothes you wear. You can certainly conceal it in a belly band and an ankle holster should work as well, you could also buy the magical T-shirts w/ the underarm pocket, I'm sure that would work fine. I have often seen my gunsmith friend conceal his Desert Eagle 44 Mag with an IWB holster down the front of his pants while eating several to many platefuls of chinese buffet food, but his comfort level may exceed most peoples'...:what:

PabloJ
October 25, 2011, 04:06 AM
When ones sees used PPS or compact polymer framed Kahr for sale it's almost always in .40. That should speak volumes to prospective gun buyer though I admit to blue collared fella with calloused hands this should not pose any concerns or problems.

g_one
October 25, 2011, 09:37 AM
Thanks for the replies.

used PPS or compact polymer framed Kahr

Although I've never had an issue or problem using polymer framed guns (so far all of mine have been), I definitely appreciate and prefer an all-steel frame, especially in the smaller sizes.

Does a quality, steel-framed, subcompact .40 exist out there?

ATLDave
October 25, 2011, 09:44 AM
I have no personal experience with the gun. I believe I recall reading a thread or two (perhaps at arfcom?) that indicated problems with the .40 version of the PPS that did not manifest in the 9mm version. DO NOT make a decision based on my vague recollection of that, but you may want to see if you can pick up that trail. Maybe those issues were resolved or overstated.

Mudinyeri
October 25, 2011, 04:33 PM
As a PPS owner, I would say they are just a bit large to be a comfortable pocket carry gun. That's coming from a guy with who's 5' 10", 170 lbs and a fairly athletic build. The PPS is well-suited for IWB carry in my opinion.

I'm not terribly recoil-sensitive so .40 caliber polymer-frame sub-compacts have never bothered me.

Have you experimented with the magazine release on the PPS?

Dueling1911s
October 25, 2011, 04:54 PM
i've got one in 40. had a couple failures in the break in for the first box through it. been perfect ever since. i carry it iwb. its a little snappy but nothing i cant handle. pretty accurate for a little gun. too big for a pocket gun. i just grab my snubby when i just want something in my pocket

ive got 2 buddies who also bought one in 40 after playing with mine. neither of them have had problems either

load748
October 25, 2011, 04:59 PM
no 40 sw but have the 9mm, great pistola, ..good for carry and reliability. accuracy is right where you want it ....MOA. i'd buy a second but im favorable toward walthers

rcjohnson
October 25, 2011, 05:18 PM
I have the 9mm and it is the softest shooting little thing that I would trade it for the 40 if I didn't mind having to manage another caliber bullet. (I'm settled on 9mm and 45 acp in autoloaders, 38 spl in my revolvers).

You can definitely pocket it, but in regular fitting jeans, the outline is pretty prominent and it fills the pocket. You've got some poundage on me so your pockets might swallow it.

As for IWB, it is teeny tiny. And I far prefer the trigger to any of the Kahr, Keltec or Ruger mini pistols. It's a very easy gun to shoot well. It's my first Walther other than an old P38

Shmackey
October 25, 2011, 05:19 PM
The PPS is probably the all-around best carry pistol ever made. I used to pocket-carry one, but it really is pushing the limits. It's doable, though.

As a gun that will be IWB most of the time, and pocketed sometimes, it's fantastic.

carbuncle
October 26, 2011, 02:01 AM
I love my PPS, but the only pockets I carry it in are cargo pockets in shorts and the big front pockets on my rain shell, it wouldn't work in khakis for me.

Zerodefect
October 26, 2011, 11:53 AM
Thanks for the replies.



Although I've never had an issue or problem using polymer framed guns (so far all of mine have been), I definitely appreciate and prefer an all-steel frame, especially in the smaller sizes.

Does a quality, steel-framed, subcompact .40 exist out there?

Kahr Mk40

I recommend a Crossbreed Supertuck.

I don't pocket carry. Pocket carry prints too bad on me. In looser pants it swings too much which is also another give-away.

vaherder
October 26, 2011, 01:11 PM
Along with the PPS. I have both in 9mm along with a P99AS. My girlfriend also has a PPS in 9mm

g_one
October 26, 2011, 01:20 PM
Wow zero, thanks; that Kahr MK40 looks really nice.
I thought I had seen all the Kahrs but I guess the MK eluded me down there at the bottom of their website's list of 40s. At 25 ounces with an empty mag it's already a few ounces heavier than the G23, but an inch shorter in height and an inch and a half shorter in length.

I'll have to look for one at a range or store locally. Depending on how it feels, it may have just knocked the PPS out of first place.

Plutarch
October 26, 2011, 03:34 PM
I bought a new .40 PPS last year and this is what I experienced.

1) I found it too big for pocket carry. It's thin, not small.
2) Reliability in in the .40 caliber is luck of the draw. I rented a PPS .40 before buying and it ran like a clock. The one I bought, however, had FTEs about 10% of the time, regardless of ammo.
3) Prepaid mailers are great, but the customer service is sloooow. I sent it in 3 times and it was always about 6 weeks turnaround. They just kept replacing the extractor and polishing, but never fixed the problem.

If you read the Walther-dedicated boards, you'll find most of the complaints are for the .40 caliber. After my rental experience, I thought the complainers were just limp-wristed recoil sensitive whiners. Or they didn't prep the gun right. Or, if I did have problems, a quick trip back to customer service would fix it. I lost confidence in my particular gun so elected to get rid of it after its last trip back to S&W. I'm sure they would have eventually replaced enough parts to make it run right, but I didn't want to deal with the hassle.

The gun fits great in the hand, is easy to shoot, carries IWB like a dream, but I'd stay clear of the .40 version. However, I've read almost no complaints about the 9mm PPS so you may really want to consider that one instead.

I have arrived at the same line of thinking as PabloJ... Small .40 caliber guns are iffy. Sacrificing reliability for ~.02 of an inch and one fewer round isn't a good trade off in my book. If you're set on .40, think long and hard before you bet your life on anything smaller than a G27 or M&P 40c.

breacher
October 26, 2011, 04:26 PM
500+ rds thru my Taurus PT740. flawless and just as accurate as my Glock 23. awesome little 40 with an excellent trigger out of the box.

randymanNC
October 26, 2011, 10:06 PM
Currently carrying a G30, I'm interested in buying a PPS, but would like to shoot one first -- a "try before I buy" exercise. Anybody here know where I can rent one within a couple hours' drive from Raleigh?

WRGADog
October 26, 2011, 10:22 PM
it is not a pocket pistol, just a bit too large from my knot hole. I carry my PPS fairly often, but always in a belt holster or IWB. If you are looking for a true pocket pistol look at the Kahr PM series. that said, the PPS is a fine pistol. I have owned mine for ~4 years and never experienced a failure of any kind.

billdeserthills
November 6, 2011, 11:36 PM
I bought a new .40 PPS last year and this is what I experienced.

1) I found it too big for pocket carry. It's thin, not small.
2) Reliability in in the .40 caliber is luck of the draw. I rented a PPS .40 before buying and it ran like a clock. The one I bought, however, had FTEs about 10% of the time, regardless of ammo.
3) Prepaid mailers are great, but the customer service is sloooow. I sent it in 3 times and it was always about 6 weeks turnaround. They just kept replacing the extractor and polishing, but never fixed the problem.

If you read the Walther-dedicated boards, you'll find most of the complaints are for the .40 caliber. After my rental experience, I thought the complainers were just limp-wristed recoil sensitive whiners. Or they didn't prep the gun right. Or, if I did have problems, a quick trip back to customer service would fix it. I lost confidence in my particular gun so elected to get rid of it after its last trip back to S&W. I'm sure they would have eventually replaced enough parts to make it run right, but I didn't want to deal with the hassle.

The gun fits great in the hand, is easy to shoot, carries IWB like a dream, but I'd stay clear of the .40 version. However, I've read almost no complaints about the 9mm PPS so you may really want to consider that one instead.

I have arrived at the same line of thinking as PabloJ... Small .40 caliber guns are iffy. Sacrificing reliability for ~.02 of an inch and one fewer round isn't a good trade off in my book. If you're set on .40, think long and hard before you bet your life on anything smaller than a G27 or M&P 40c.
I can only relate the one bad experience I had with the 9mm I took in on trade. Once I got it back to the shop (I traded at the gun show) I found the slide hold-open control had a broken spring & I shipped it back to S&W for repair, now this is the odd part, instead of replacing the spring, they sent me a brand-new PPS in 9mm of course. I have felt this to be rather odd- anyone feel differently?

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