In the market for a 45 Auto


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Armedleprechaun
October 25, 2011, 03:15 AM
I've been considering the M&P 45 and the Glock 21sf. I'm leaning towards the M&P. I like the ergos of the M&P better. I own three Glocks a 26, 19, and 23 Gen4. (love all three of them.) I also have an M&P 9 that I'm selling to a buddy. It works fine for me, It's just that I'd like a 45. I've owned them in the past and really like the round. As I said earlier I like the ergos of the M&P. That being said, I prefer the parts availability of Glocks. Other suggestions are welcome. However, I'd like to keep the price around $500-$600. Also, 1911's don't work for me.

Thanks,

Evan

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Eric F
October 25, 2011, 04:06 AM
The slide on a glock 45 looks like a shoe box with sights....so that out.
Look at eaa a 45 witness would be cool. I didnt like your other choices either.

ugaarguy
October 25, 2011, 04:09 AM
I'm not going to vote. The M&P45 and the G21SF are both great pistols. I can't tell you what's going to fit your hand better. I'd also not rule out a SIG CPO P220. I've seen some of those that were in really nice shape for a little under $600 recently. If you like SIGs it's a great price to get one in .45 ACP. I don't know how you feel about the XD pistols, the standard XD-45 is a pistol I shoot well. Again, I can't know what feels good in your hands.

klcmschlesinger
October 25, 2011, 04:25 AM
I don't have any objective evidence supporting this firearm, but it is what I have been checking out lately. They have this at CDNN for $549. Looks interesting.
Or the full size at CDNN is $649 (more than you wanted to spend) but it comes with a third mag, night sights, and a holster.
Check it out, may be worth looking at.

ku4hx
October 25, 2011, 06:04 AM
I have a 1911, a Glock 30SF and a Ruger KP-90. The 1911 is a piece of military history, the 30SF is just a dream to shoot and the KP-90 is well ... it's a dream to shoot too.

I need to shoot the 1911 more I guess but with its propensity for ball ammo (specifically FMJ/RN) which I load basically none of, it just sits and screams WW2 at you.

The Glock and the Ruger have fed and fired everything I've ever given them. And being a handloader and boolit caster since the early '70s that includes hard cast in SWC, RN and TC and just about every jacketed bullet you can find. I prefer weights in the 200-230 grain but all have worked flawlessly.

What to buy? Man I got no idea. I was, for a while, considering getting another .45 ACP or even a .45 GAP. But I sprung for a nice GPS instead. I'm kind of leery about adopting emerging technology; used to demand all metal guns too. Old Dawgs can learn new tricks sometimes.

Geckgo
October 25, 2011, 06:13 AM
sounds to me like you already made up your mind, maybe go to the range and try them both for a side by side comparison?

I would hang on to at least 1 9mm if I were you. I don't own a 9 but if I had one I would keep it simply for cost-effective practice. Even reloading, 9s are cheaper. Not counting brass (which I get for free in popular calibers) I think 9 was about 10c per round to load up, my 45 costs 12-15c just for the bullet. If your buddy would take the G19 instead of the M&P then you would have a matched training pistol for your new addition.

Same goes the other way if you stick with the glocks.

Inebriated
October 25, 2011, 07:32 AM
Sig's used (the ones they get and approve... can't think of the name) are often very reasonably priced. Seen a couple P220's for around $600.

My vote goes to a Sig, but if you want new, then I'll say either an XDm, M&P, or the Glock. The reason I don't say one, is they are drastically different grips. Pick the one that fits you, and you'll be fine. They'll all be reliable and accurate. Just depends on what fits you better, and what you shoot better.

miles1
October 25, 2011, 07:51 AM
Although the glock and smith m&p are good choices i gotta say the springfield XD45 is a nice shooter as well;certainly worth a good look.

JTQ
October 25, 2011, 08:21 AM
That being said, I prefer the parts availability of Glocks.
What parts do you need that aren't available for the M&P?

Armedleprechaun
October 25, 2011, 02:07 PM
Than guys, keep 'em coming. :)

klcmschlesinger
October 25, 2011, 02:13 PM
I have a CZ in 9mm and have always wanted the 97. I've heard nothing but good things about it. Maybe some owners on this forum could chime in.

bergmen
October 25, 2011, 02:41 PM
If you are looking for a .45 as a carry gun, take a look at the Glock 36:

http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/47914/2808387090053667879S600x600Q85.jpg http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/47110/2069141930053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

I have Pearce +0 mag plates on all the mags to provide a pinky groove.

This is a compact, accurate, reliable, dependable, lightweight, easy to shoot .45.

Dan

jmr40
October 25, 2011, 03:08 PM
If you already have Glocks, stay with Glock. That way you won't have to deal with 2 different triggers and 2 very different grip angles. The 10 round magazines of the M&P are a big negative as well. Why have a gun that big with only 10 rounds when everyone else's full size holds 13-15 rounds.

If your other guns were M&P's I'd tell you to stay with M&P FWIW.

jackpinesavages
October 25, 2011, 06:16 PM
I have (3) 21s, one is an SF I love. One thing you might not even be interested in: the Storm Lake 10mm conversion barrels for the G21(sf) as well. Great fun. Not sure if anybody does conversion barrels for M&Ps?

CZ57
October 25, 2011, 06:47 PM
I voted other. Compared to the G-21 and the M&P, the XDm is a superior pistol. The ejection port is relieved, the Glock's is not. Barrel with conventional rifling so you can shoot cast lead and that barrel is match grade. The XDm is designed to shoot SWCs whereas the standard Xd is not. And with the interchangeable back-straps you get the best of ergonomics. 14 round capacity vs.11 rounds for the M&P. The XDm has aftermarket parts and kits available like the PRP trigger kits that allow you to get a trigger comparable to a fine 1911. ;)

egyas
October 25, 2011, 06:50 PM
I can tell you that I used to own a Glock 21. I sold it to buy a Glock 17 when I simply couldn't afford to shoot .45ACP anymore. Damn, I miss that gun each and every day. :(

voyager4520
October 25, 2011, 06:53 PM
Other

Gen4 G21. Not only do you get the slimmer grip but you get a better grip texture and a bigger magazine release. The only downside is the slide finish, a lot of people don't like the Gen4 gray slide finish. Most G21SF's have the black shiny slide finish, that's the only benefit I see to getting the G21SF.

Carter
October 25, 2011, 07:02 PM
I voted glock. Because you can get 30 round magazines for it now =D

jk jk...although that would be fun...

If you shoot a lot of glocks it makes sense. Keep it simple. The gen 4 would probably be the best to make sure it fits your hand. It gives you 3 rounds over the m&p, more holster options, and you don't have to learn a new trigger.

But if its just a fun gun...it doesn't really matter.

WRGADog
October 25, 2011, 08:43 PM
Xdm 45

MCgunner
October 25, 2011, 08:59 PM
Sig P220. I like DA/decockers and the general design of the Sig. I don't have one, but they don't make my KP90DC anymore.

R.Ph. 380
October 25, 2011, 09:46 PM
Talk about easy to carry and ergonomically perfect: Mi Amigo HERE:
http://www.americanclassic1911.com/amigo-model.html

Officer size 1911. Better than plastic guns anyday

Armedleprechaun
October 26, 2011, 12:59 AM
I like the idea of sticking with Glock the more I think about it. Would I need anything besides a conversion barrel and magazines to shoot 10mm as well?

ChCx2744
October 26, 2011, 04:24 AM
I voted G21SF. Get the 3rd gen. I think it would do you just fine. For one, it's unrivaled in terms of capacity and reliability in .45ACP. Two, you're already familiar with the Glock system, so there shouldn't really be a learning curve. The G21SF is a fine weapon!

leper65
October 26, 2011, 06:16 AM
It looks like you would just need a 10mm barrel and magazines to convert to 10mm

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=938598

Pilot
October 26, 2011, 06:21 AM
What is it for? Range, home defense, carry?

JFtheGR8
October 26, 2011, 11:19 AM
Voted other because I have an XD45 and I like it very much. I am sure the others are just fine too. I am not crazy about the grip angle of the Glock though and is the reason I chose the XD.

Seven For Sure
October 26, 2011, 01:19 PM
You'd also want an extractor for 100% reliability. The ejector is the same. I don't know of 10mm conversion barrels for the M&P. Extractors and mags may be an issue. If they did, I'd carry my M&P 45C in 10mm and be done with it.

Armedleprechaun
October 26, 2011, 04:09 PM
Thanks for all the input Guys!

amd6547
October 26, 2011, 04:37 PM
I voted other...Glock 30. I love mine

todd_g
October 26, 2011, 05:24 PM
I say round off the glock collection :evil:

okc-zee
October 26, 2011, 06:47 PM
I just bought a kahr CW45...Runs awesome,extremely accurate...

lono
October 26, 2011, 11:23 PM
1911

rich642z
October 27, 2011, 08:32 PM
Glocks are ok but for me,I sold them and went to mostly Rugers.Rugers in their semi-auto pistols and revolvers.

msparks
October 27, 2011, 08:49 PM
Although the glock and smith m&p are good choices i gotta say the springfield XD45 is a nice shooter as well;certainly worth a good look.
I've got the XD45c and like it a lot.

james_bond
October 27, 2011, 09:14 PM
Vote for the XD-45 or XDm-45 if you prefer, but the XD is less money.

45crittergitter
November 5, 2011, 06:55 PM
"Other" = Taurus 24/7 OSS. But that's just me.

Wishoot
November 5, 2011, 09:14 PM
None of the above.

I'm a bit partial to either an XD or XDM. I shoot them much better then either the glock or M&P.

trex1310
November 5, 2011, 11:46 PM
How about a Stoeger Cougar 8045F? Very accurate and the price
aint bad either.

WRGADog
November 6, 2011, 12:29 AM
I own 3 XDM's and they are absolutely great guns, accurate, reliable, great point and shoot ergonomics, superb capacity.

CZ223
November 6, 2011, 08:46 AM
You can't go wrong with a good 1911, I won't go into the brand wars, decide for yourself. Figure out which features are important to you and get a gun with them on it. It doesn't really pay to customize a basic gun these days with so many production gun with all the bells and whistles already on them. My other choice is the Smith and Wesson 3rd generation guns. I had a 4516-1 and sold it. I could kick myself. If you are gonna carry a Glock, and it is a good choice, I would stick with the 23 in 40 S&W. Lots of firepower in a small package.

Averageman
November 6, 2011, 09:59 AM
I own a Colt 1991 and I'm very happy with it. Changed out the trigger, thumb safety to ambi and a houge wrap around grip and it is a very servicable for CC. I actually had the Wife on the back of my Motorcycle for most of a morning and she didn't realise I was carrying. Other than the limit is 9 rounds I see no problem with it.
I also have an reccomend a H&K (Yes they hate me too) USPC and it is a great little .45 with lots of potential for those times when you need a smaller carry gun. IWB in shorts at 3 or 9 and it rides all day without issue.
My best reccomendation would be to rent one of each you like a develope a preference based upon your personal preferences.

gordy
November 6, 2011, 03:56 PM
I voted other.
Sig 220.
Need I say more?

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