Reloading for a RIA 1911 Tactical


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Josh45
October 25, 2011, 08:31 PM
Hello everyone,

Recently picked up a new RIA 1911 Tactical .45ACP today and just got thru cleaning it and decided to try to chamber a factory hollow point round to see if it would feed. I keep hearing about how hollow points won't feed into these 1911 so I figure I give it a shot ( no pun intended ) and of course, It fed just fine. Its the Winchester PDX1.

Anyways, I also have some reloaded .45 rounds with a HP profile plated bullets from Berrys. Using the load data for the Hornady 8th edition, It says to use 1.230 and it got caught up. A little fight with it and finally got it out.

After taking the round out, I noticed that it damaged the plating at the top of the bullet and it also pulled the bullet out of the case from it was originally seated.

Im assuming the rounds would be to long for this 1911? Its brand new, No rounds thru it and of course haven't tried the polishing the throat... Just in case that information helped.

What would be a safer depth?

P.S Yes, I did do a search and I didn't exactly find what I was looking for.

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jcwit
October 25, 2011, 08:37 PM
Strip the pistol down and use the barrel to do a drop in test with a case and bullet "inert", seat the bullet down into the case till you get the plunk. You then have the OAL for that particular bullet.

Check out this thread, very informative

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=621532

Josh45
October 25, 2011, 08:52 PM
JCWit,

Thanks for the link. I just happen to go thru that thread a few minutes after I posted mine. :rolleyes:
I know about the plunk test and I should have done it before I reassembled it! :uhoh:

Silly me. Im gonna re read that thread. It is useful.

rcmodel
October 25, 2011, 08:59 PM
Using the load data for the Hornady 8th edition, It says to use 1.230 and it got caught upThe problem with that is, Hornady doesn't sell Berry bullets.

Every manufacture uses a slightly different bullet profile or shape.
So you can't use one brands data with another brands bullets and expect the OAL to be the same.

rc

ljnowell
October 25, 2011, 09:27 PM
My RIA compact 1911 will chamber XTP, GDHPs, and everything else. I load the XTP 230gr out to max length.

Fishslayer
October 25, 2011, 09:32 PM
Neither my RIA Tactical nor my Ruger P90 are very fond of PDX1. :(

Walkalong
October 25, 2011, 09:41 PM
The problem with that is, Hornady doesn't sell Berry bullets.And the 230 Gr bullet they list 1.230 for is a truncated flat point (http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/1165156446/hornady-bullets-45-caliber-451-diameter-230-grain-full-metal-jacket-flat-nose).

Josh45
October 25, 2011, 11:10 PM
That's odd? It shows HP on mine? I was looking at FMJ data not Lead data.
I also remeasured the round that was a reload and found out that it actually pushed the bullet into the case to 1.225.

The way it looked, I thought it pulled it out of the case. Weird thing is, I removed the barrel and tried to do a plunk test at several lengths and it would plunk but not fall out on its own...

jcwit
October 25, 2011, 11:13 PM
Use a Sharpie and color the bullet and do the plunk test again to make sure the plated bullet isn't sitting on the lands.

Josh45
October 26, 2011, 12:02 AM
Yeah, I need to find that marker around here somewhere.

You think that it being a,452 could also be the problem? I just sat the bullet into the case and let it run home, Took the round out and measure it at 1.240. So, Now im gonna try a bit more taper...

Josh45
October 26, 2011, 12:06 AM
Okay, I tried to chamber a round again at 1.230 and taper of .469. It chambered but when you try to eject the round, Its very hard unless you pull on it pretty hard and fast.

Also, Its still pushing the bullet back in. I just re checked it and it shows 1.223?

This is my first 1911 so I really don't know all to much about it so please have paitience with me on this one.

jcwit
October 26, 2011, 12:25 AM
One of my loads for .45 ACP with a cast lead Lee bullet .228 gr. round nose bullet has an overall length of 1.240.

Your bullet dia of .452 should not bother.

Josh45
October 26, 2011, 12:55 AM
Okay...I have some lead rounds RN so Im gonna try that with a COAL of 1.245. See if that makes any difference

I tried the marker thing, And from what I can tell, Its not hitting the lands.

Josh45
October 26, 2011, 01:05 AM
Okay, No...It did the same thing.

Fishslayer
October 26, 2011, 02:56 PM
The way it looked, I thought it pulled it out of the case. Weird thing is, I removed the barrel and tried to do a plunk test at several lengths and it would plunk but not fall out on its own...

That might indicate it's engaging the rifling. It should drop right out on it's own. Does the factory round drop back out?

When it plunks is the base of the cartrige flush or slightly below the breech?

Not all bullets have the same profile. The maximum for one might be too long for another, even within the same bullet type.

Josh45
October 26, 2011, 04:24 PM
When it plunks, It slightly above the breech, and will plunk out.

When it sets below the breech, It won't plunk out.

The factory round plunks in and out without a problem if I remember correctly from last night. ( it got late )

ljnowell
October 26, 2011, 04:33 PM
Is the gun spotlessly clean?

Josh45
October 26, 2011, 05:09 PM
Its been stripped twice and cleaned twice. I think I need to have it cleaned maybe some more....That or polish the feed ramp...

Otto
October 26, 2011, 05:25 PM
Recently picked up a new RIA 1911 Tactical .45ACP today and just got thru cleaning it and decided to try to chamber a factory hollow point round to see if it would feed. I keep hearing about how hollow points won't feed into these 1911 so I figure I give it a shot ( no pun intended ) and of course, It fed just fine. Its the Winchester PDX1.So you haven't actually shot a hollow point thru the gun yet?
I would start with FMJ's and see how that goes first.

bentongunclub
October 26, 2011, 05:57 PM
I am just going to go ahead and assume your hand loads are not taper crimped. I would guess that 95% of the trouble I have had with my 1911 reloads was related to not running them through a taper crimp. I do not have problems with any of them anymore. The go in, go bang, and go to the deck ready for pickup and reuse. Hollow points, FMJ, wadcutters, whatever.

Josh45
October 26, 2011, 07:28 PM
Otto,

No. Zero rounds thru the gun. Just picked it up yesterday.

Benton,

If you read some of the post, You will notice that I did apply a taper crimp on them. I have tried light, medium and heavy even.

Fishslayer
October 26, 2011, 08:38 PM
When it plunks, It slightly above the breech, and will plunk out.

When it sets below the breech, It won't plunk out.

The factory round plunks in and out without a problem if I remember correctly from last night. ( it got late )

That really sounds like a too long OAL. I'd have a few more goes with the magic marker. Try loading an inert round with a shorter OAL & see how it goes.

Run an empty case through the sizing/decapping die, then see where it sets when you drop it in the chamber. The .45ACP headspaces on the case mouth. That's that "ledge" you see toward the front of the chamber. The base of the case should not extend above the breech surface.

Excess oil in the chamber will keep the round from dropping out freely. Make sure you've got the chamber free of globs & goops of excess oil.

Seedtick
October 26, 2011, 08:44 PM
On the next 'plunk' test twist the cartridge while applying pressure on it. That should help identify exactly where it's hanging up.

HTH

Seedtick

:)

Josh45
October 26, 2011, 08:54 PM
Fish,

I just cleaned it out again. Was a little bit dirty but nothing I could see to have this effect and I did reoil but lightly with a patch. Just one run thru. Im gonna try the spent cases that came with it and the ones I have.

Seedstick,

I will give that a try.

Fishslayer
October 26, 2011, 09:02 PM
I assumed your Win PDX1 were factory rounds?

If they plunk & drop out OK then it's not the chamber. The problem is in the reloads. Just a matter of time till we "AH-HA!"

Then you'll probly :facepalm: :D

Josh45
October 28, 2011, 07:42 PM
Im ready for my FacePalm.

I was expanding the case mouth to much. On another reloading forum, A fella was saying that I am belling the case to much and making the bullet be to loose in the case.

I thought about that for a second and remembered how easily the bullet sat in the case and wondered....So I reset the expanding die to very little expansion and flared the case mouth, Sat the bullet to the manual coal and slightly taper crimped just enough....

And Wallah....Chambered perfectly fine. Took out the bullet and checked it. Same OAL. Same crimp.

Did it again, Same thing. One more time, Same thing. So, A total of 3 times I checked it and I got the same results when I pressed against the table to make sure.

In reloading, You never stop learning.

EDIT: We also bought a new Kimber Mag for this 1911 and I checked with it first and it had no problems in chambering the rund nor did it cause any problems with the bullet going back into the case itself.

jcwit
October 28, 2011, 08:17 PM
Fantastic, now the fun begins. Put them all in the X-Ring at 50 yds. Bulls eye style.

Josh45
October 28, 2011, 08:34 PM
:D Got some Unique, Bullseye and Power Pistol that need's to be used!

Seedtick
October 28, 2011, 09:56 PM
:D Got some Unique, Bullseye and Power Pistol that need's to be used!

Sounds like it's time to burn some then. Glad you got 'er figured out.

Seedtick

:)

Josh45
October 28, 2011, 10:36 PM
Yeah, Me to. It was really annoying.

As for the powders that I have listed, the bullets I have are

RN 230 Gr ( Lead Hornady )
Berry Plated HP 200 GR

What would be a good load for this gun? I know should start at the low end and work my way up but I;m just curious at the moment what would be a accurate load or a one with some low recoil for easy follow up?

Fishslayer
October 29, 2011, 02:11 AM
WOOHOO! Glad you got it figured out.:D

Minimal belling will also extend your case life. The hardest thing on pistol brass is the belling & roll crimping. Since we don't roll crimp .45ACP.... ;)

I set it up to where the bullet will just sit easily atop the case.

One thing to watch with cast boolits is your seating die. It also removes the belling. If it's too far down it can close too soon and shave lead. These slivers can cause chambering problems that may or may not show up in a plunk test.

I use the 200gr Berry's SWC a lot. My go to target load is 3.8gr of Bullseye. You won't be chasing your brass very far. :D

For 230gr LRN I use 4.2 gr of Bullseye.

Alliant's website has load data for Bullseye.

Load just a few of those powderpuff SWC to make sure they have enough power to cycle your gun. My RIA Tactical took some time before it would eat them with any sort of reliability. A few hunnert rounds of warmer RN loads took care of that.

I've been playing with some Bear Creek 200gr RNHB (Round Nose Hollow Base). They feed great & I'm getting good results accuracy wise.

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