Got the itch: CM9, P238, LCP, BG380


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joepa150
October 25, 2011, 10:28 PM
I got the itch for a new handgun but I don't know what to buy. Right now I carry a Glock 19, 1911 and pocket carry a Jframe 642. I want something that is noticably easier to conceal than the 642 even though I rarely have a problem concealing it.

If I were mesh shorts, tighter fitting jeans, or baggy sweatpants, the 642 is to big and heavy for these applications.

I know the LCP would fit the bill. I like the price but the sights are crappy, most people do not like the trigger, and recoil I heard is a bit harsh.

Sig 238. Looks and feels awesome. Low recoil. Night sights. A bit pricy though and I probably would prefer DOA for pocket carry but SA is not unfamiliar to me since I am familiar with the 1911.

S&W BG380. Like the look and feel. Price is right. Do not like have a built in laser.

Kahr CM9: Looks nice. DAO with great trigger. Would it really be noticebly lighter or easier to conceal than my S&W 642. 9mm cheaper and a bit more stopping power.

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GojuBrian
October 25, 2011, 10:36 PM
The LCP.

VERY light
VERY affordable
VERY reliable

Mine goes everywhere with me. It's also pretty accurate at 7-10yards.

mongo4567
October 25, 2011, 10:44 PM
I would vote for the used cm9. That said the lcp is great too. I have a pm40, p3at, and pf9 for similar overlap.

deputy tom
October 25, 2011, 10:44 PM
While not on your list I handled a Taurus .380 the other day and think that it might be my next CCW purchase.Blackened stainless slide and black poly frame.Much like the Ruger LCP but slightly ahead of it IMHO. Give it a look.tom.:cool:

joepa150
October 25, 2011, 10:47 PM
I looked at the Taurus TCP and I know that many like it but I just always was hesitant on buying Taurus for some reason.

Psa1m144
October 25, 2011, 10:52 PM
what about the ruger lc9?

yeahbuddy
October 25, 2011, 10:56 PM
I really like the LCP. The recoil is not bad at all (not what I had heard on the forums). It was strange at first because the gun feels like a little toy in hand, but it seems well made and the tiny sights were actually pretty accurate at 30 ft. I see the gun as a very close situation type gun so I am not too worried about the sights. My hand did get very tired after about 35 rounds with the guns small size and long heavy trigger.

joepa150
October 25, 2011, 11:11 PM
I am accurate with my 642 but it does kick more than I would like it to.

Anyone know if the LCP would kick more or less.

Guy at the store said about the same.

tjbeck
October 25, 2011, 11:18 PM
On the list I like the CM9 or the P238. I have a P238 and love it. Mine has not had any reliability issues and though a larger 380 it is very concealable. I also own a Kahr P9 and am considering getting another Kahr. I love the trigger and the recoil is soft especially when you consider the weight. The CM is also very small and would work great but, if you are alright with a .380 why not the P380.
The LCP is a big favorite of a lot of people but, I have fired several and just cannot shoot it well.

click clack
October 25, 2011, 11:24 PM
I voted P238.. It may just be because I really want it myself

helitack32f1
October 26, 2011, 01:52 AM
I own the LCP. However, out of that list, I would pick the S&W. It is an amazing feeling gun and feels better to me in the hand than the LCP. I also love the Sig but it is so expensive and may be a bit heavy for pocket carry. Amazing little gun though.

Dr_2_B
October 26, 2011, 08:01 AM
I voted used CM9. I have had the itch for a PM9 for a couple years now, and that itch has turned into a full-blown infection in the last year. After handling it and the CM9 at the same time, I've come to favor the CM9 because the quality seems great for the savings. And at $350... well, I'd have already bought it.

MikePaiN
October 26, 2011, 08:12 AM
I bought my CM9 used($365) last summer and its been fantastic. The CM9 has been my primary carry it goes everywhere with me. I have a Don Hume ItW that it disappears in. In the warm weather I loaded up Federal LE 115g +P Barns XPB but recently switched to Hornady 115g Critical Defense which the CM is even more accurate with. As for practice FMJ rounds I have not had one issue with anything WWB, NATO, PMC, CCI Blaz., Federal Champ. etc all run no problem.
Kahr has a free mag offer going if you buy new and there is a NIB CM9 for sale in our classified section.

cfullgraf
October 26, 2011, 08:35 AM
I am accurate with my 642 but it does kick more than I would like it to.

Anyone know if the LCP would kick more or less.

Guy at the store said about the same.

In my opinion, the 642 with +P loads kicks more than a Kel-Tec P3-AT with self defence 380 loads.

I have both handguns.

The Kel-Tec is virtually the same as the Ruger.

ugaarguy
October 26, 2011, 08:58 AM
I believe you've answered your own question. You prefer DAO, which doesn't favor the P238. You don't want a built in laser, which doesn't favor the BG380. You want something noticeably smaller & lighter than your current 642, and not sure the CM9 fully fits that description.

That leaves (from your list) the LCP. It's DAO, doesn't have a built in laser, and is noticeably smaller & lighter than a 642.

joepa150
October 26, 2011, 09:47 AM
Been wanting an LCP for awhile but I hear many stories of customers buying one and then not liking the way it shoots. I don't have any place to rent one in my area so I cannot test it out. I hear many saying that it hurts their hands or their hands go numb. I know it will not be a range gun but I don't want it to be so punishing that after 50 rounds I would be done (kind of like my 642)

Johannes_Paulsen
October 26, 2011, 09:53 AM
If you're considering a Kahr, why not look at a Kahr P380? Much easier to pocket than the CM9.

2wheels
October 26, 2011, 09:55 AM
P238 all the way!

Sulaco
October 26, 2011, 10:12 AM
I owned an LCP but traded it. I never felt truly comfortable with such a small gun chambered for such a small caliber. YMMV.

As far as the gun is concerned, I like it other than the really long, stiff trigger and the lack of sights. I think the Kahr sights are much nicer and I have no clue about the trigger.

I can pocket carry a baby Glock so it's a non-issue for me.

Sulaco
October 26, 2011, 10:13 AM
If the 642 hurts your hands *snicker*, you won't like any of these pocket autos in .380ACP on up.

joepa150
October 26, 2011, 10:58 AM
Well I wouldn't say it hurts my hand but is just not a pleasure to shoot. I can shoot my Glock 19,23 XD40c, 45 1911, etc all day if I had the money for ammo. 642 50-100 rounds tops for me. Everyone that shot my 642 was surprised with the recoil and didn't seem to care to shoot it much more.

I shot a p238 a few years ago and remember it not being hard to shoot at all. No where near my 642 (even with "cowboy" rounds)

PX15
October 26, 2011, 11:04 AM
FWIW:

Haven't tried the others, but I have an LCP (well, actually I have two, and my wife has one), and all three have been absolutely reliable and surprisingly accurate right out of the cheap white cardboard box they come in.

You didn't ask, but I am so pleased with our LCP's that I bought an LC9 when they hit the market, and it's basically an LCP on steroids.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

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JustSomeDude
October 26, 2011, 11:54 AM
Get the new CM9. $70 less is not enough to make up for the fact that the warranty is not transferrable. Not that you're likely to need it, but it's one of those things where it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. I love mine and wholeheartedly endorse it.

I must say,though, that I clicked the poll before I read your whole post, and I'm not sure how much more concealable it will be than the revolver. As I am thinking it through, probably the Bodyguard will fit your concealability concerns better. I know two guys that have them and carry them regularly. They're both very impressed by the accuracy of such a small gun, and one of them has quite large hands. Neither of them use the laser, BTW.

Old John
October 26, 2011, 05:30 PM
Well, you left out the Keltec PF9 and the Keltec P11, as well as the Ruger LC9.

My DSW has a Keltec PF9, 9mm, 7+1, that she slips in her jeans pocket for an easy carry. It only costs $269, +tax. I like it but, I carry a Ruger LCR, .357 magnum. in an Uncle Mikes pocket holster.

AJChenMPH
October 26, 2011, 07:31 PM
I have a PM9, but don't carry it anymore (it's listed for sale in the classifieds). It was simply too big/thick for me to pocket carry without printing (I'm 6'0", 175 lbs, 33" waist).

I've shot a 442, and recoil is a touch snappier in the LCP -- I make sure to wear a glove when shooting the LCP.

I had a Taurus TCP in the past, but it developed the notorious "light strike" problem (Taurus fixed it), and after I sold it to someone here on the forums, Taurus wound up replacing the gun outright when it completely failed on him. It does have a nicer trigger out of the box than an LCP, though.

I bought a used LCP and couldn't be happier -- reliable, and the trigger has lightened up and smoothed out vs. the new one I handled a while back. I've put the NiteSiters dots on mine (in a "dot the i" configuration) and it makes picking up the sights much easier. PX15 above shows his with the Innovative Arms sight conversion.

Just my $0.02...

LCPor9mm
October 26, 2011, 07:58 PM
Why the LCP but not the LC9???

joepa150
October 26, 2011, 09:12 PM
Thanks for all your advise.

I went with the LCP. Cheaper, smaller, lighter than the rest. I like the CM9 and almost bought the P238 (shoots nice, looks awesome, was the best deal % wise and $ off the list price). Also I am used to pocket carrying the 642 so I feel that the single action with manual safety of the P238 wouldn't be ideal.

In the end I didn't want something that was about the same size as my 642 Jframe. I wanted something I could use those situations where the 642 is too big (I know it is a small gun but there are times when I wish it where smaller or lighter)

jon_in_wv
October 26, 2011, 09:31 PM
I have and LCP and a Bodyguard. The Bodyguard is worth the extra money to me for several reasons.

1. I like the size of the BG better. It conceals just as easy but the little bit of extra size makes the BG easier to shoot.
2. Way superior sights on the BG.
3. The trigger of the BG is better. There is no possibility of short stroking the BG and getting a dead trigger. That makes it better to me.
4. The chamber of the BG is about 3 times thicker than the LCP if measured at their thinnest point. I would wager most of you would be shocked if you knew how thin that barrel truly is.
5. Most importantly the LCP, like the P3AT, is limited in what ammo it can safely use by "smileys". That is the next round in the magazine tends to hit the bottom of the feed ramp when the previous round is fired. This will normally distort the JHP hurting its performance or worse will set the bullet back. My LCP will set XTPs back significantly. Gold Dots and Hydrashoks don't get set back but the JHPs do get pretty mangled. NONE of this happens with the BG.

That being said I do still like my LCP and it has been 100% reliable with over 500 rounds fired. It is also much more accurate than it has any right to be.

You may also notice I didn't list the laser as a bonus for the BG. It's neat but I can certainly live without it. In fact it quite working shortly after I bought it and I haven't bothered to get it fixed.

DAdams
October 27, 2011, 11:22 PM
Great comments and thanks you owners.

I have enough pocket guns to last a lifetime but pragmatically I am always intersted on the latest. I still would probably do a Rohrbaugh R9 above many of these.

I still have a question for the 238 folks. Great looking gun. My favorite to look at. Do you carry these IWB? I just don't see carring these in the pocket cocked and locked and I can tell you that otherwise it is slow in coming to arms and release. You will be flat out before you move the slide.

PX15 wonder why you did the ruger with CT when you could have done the S&W?

For the money you can't beat a LCP from what I have read.

harmon rabb
October 28, 2011, 08:39 AM
While not on your list I handled a Taurus .380 the other day and think that it might be my next CCW purchase.Blackened stainless slide and black poly frame.Much like the Ruger LCP but slightly ahead of it IMHO. Give it a look.tom.:cool:
Much better trigger than the LCP.

harmon rabb
October 28, 2011, 08:41 AM
Great comments and thanks you owners.

I have enough pocket guns to last a lifetime but pragmatically I am always intersted on the latest. I still would probably do a Rohrbaugh R9 above many of these.

I still have a question for the 238 folks. Great looking gun. My favorite to look at. Do you carry these IWB? I just don't see carring these in the pocket cocked and locked and I can tell you that otherwise it is slow in coming to arms and release. You will be flat out before you move the slide.

PX15 wonder why you did the ruger with CT when you could have done the S&W?

For the money you can't beat a LCP from what I have read.
Why can't you carry it cocked and locked in the pocket? My 238 is only pocket carried, and cocked and locked always. I carry it in a pocket holster.

Trust me, the safety is NOT coming off in your pocket. It's VERY positive and tight, taking a good bit more pressure to click off than a 1911 safety. Try the safety on one out and your fears will immediately be alleviated. It's tight enough that if a 1911 safety were like that, you'd probably send it back to the manufacturer and complain. However, it's that way because it's designed to be in a pocket where a safety is going to get banged around all day.

PX15
October 28, 2011, 09:53 AM
DAdams:

In answer to your question as to why I got the LCP and put a CT Laser on it when I could have had the S&W with the integrated laser?

Well, I got the LCP before the S&W came out if memory serves. I liked it so much I added the CT laser, and then I saw another LCP with the "Innovative Arms" slide refinish, external sight upgrade and I had that done to.

I like Smiths in general, (have several 3rd Gen Smiths), but I really don't care for a pistol with a built in laser.. That's just me.

We liked our first LCP so well we bought two more. My wife has hers (w/laser engraved slide), and I have another regular one.

My buddy came along with a new LC9, and I bought one of those too, and it's a very, very good 9MM sub-compact pistol. It's like the LCP on steroids.

I think the Smith is probably a fine choice.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

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2wheels
October 28, 2011, 03:41 PM
Great comments and thanks you owners.

I have enough pocket guns to last a lifetime but pragmatically I am always intersted on the latest. I still would probably do a Rohrbaugh R9 above many of these.

I still have a question for the 238 folks. Great looking gun. My favorite to look at. Do you carry these IWB? I just don't see carring these in the pocket cocked and locked and I can tell you that otherwise it is slow in coming to arms and release. You will be flat out before you move the slide.

PX15 wonder why you did the ruger with CT when you could have done the S&W?

For the money you can't beat a LCP from what I have read.
The only reason I own my P238 is pocket carry. If I'm going to IWB carry, it's going to be one of my 1911s. Like Harmon I have absolutely no fears that the safety could disengage, even if it did it's in a pocket holster that covers the trigger.

intercooler
October 28, 2011, 04:59 PM
On gunblast I saw they are making the Colt Mustang again.

harmon rabb
October 28, 2011, 05:56 PM
The only reason I own my P238 is pocket carry. If I'm going to IWB carry, it's going to be one of my 1911s. Like Harmon I have absolutely no fears that the safety could disengage, even if it did it's in a pocket holster that covers the trigger.
Before I had ever handled a 238 in person, I had the same fear actually. The first time I handed one and tried the safety, my fear flew out the window.

exavid
October 29, 2011, 02:20 AM
I really like my LCP. I have other pistols I can and do carry but the LCP is always so easy to drop in a pocket. Even when wearing shorts it just disappears. Shooting it was difficult at first but once I got a couple hundred rounds through it and got used to it I enjoy shooting it. I can fire 100 rounds in a session with no discomfort. It also took awhile to get used to the minimal sights but that's no real problem, just takes a bit of practice. I routinely hit a paper plate at 25yds so that ought to be good enough for this kind of pistol. BTW - a think I discovered is that the easiest way to get the sights lined up in the vertical plane is to look down the top of the slide. It's flat so you can easily tell when you're looking just down it. If the front sight is too high you'll see some of the top of the slide, just lower it until you're looking down the slide and don't quite see it's top and you have the front and rear sights at the same elevation. It took me a bit to discover this but it really helped me get on target faster and shoot more accurately. Learning to stroke smoothly through the trigger to fire the pistol also takes some practice too. It is pretty satisfying to tame the little gun, and it can be done. No need for a laser just learn to shoot this thing. Mine has been through more than 800 rounds and hasn't hiccupped yet.

intercooler
October 29, 2011, 11:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vB4Xk2V7Lg&list=LLOGhrFyZf1BSIuZDOcrlO3g&feature=mh_lolz

Like the Stangs in there too!

97guns
October 29, 2011, 11:41 AM
i went through 2 kahr's and a keltec before i hit paydirt with this puppy. i find no problems concealing it in a pocket.

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