Keltec pf-9, friendly warning about Keltec


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tightgroup tiger
October 29, 2011, 07:20 AM
I recently purchased a Keltec pf-9 from my local gun dealer. I chose it for it small size and the power of the 9mm over the .380s.

I took it to the range and with factory practice ammo shot 3 bulleyes and 3 in the next ring out at 10yds on the six shots.

Aside from the visious recoil that goes along with small pistols like this, I was extreemly pleased with it. (and still am). I really love the thing.

I have no complaints with the quality, have not had a single ftf, fte, or any problem at all for that matter.

A month later I get a call from the dealer I purchased this from that I had to bring it back to the shop, asap!

He told me to bring my plastic case and everything that came with it.

After getting there I find out that the S/N and bar code on the outside of the box didn't match the S/N on the pistol.

The number registered to me was the # on the box that matched the barcode since most gun dealers inventory their guns from these barcodes.

We had to re-register my pf-9 to me with the other s/n before I could carry it again. We found out that Keltec thought they manf. 2 pistols with the same s/n but in actuality someone at Keltec switched the pistols from their respective cases and I ended up with one of them and didn't know it until the other one was sold from a different dealer a month and 1/2 later.

I wonder how long I would have walked around with an un-lincenced, un-registered conceiled firearm, until the police would have caught me with it.

I urge everyone out there that when purchasing a pistol from any dealer to compair s/ns of the box to the s/n of the gun in the box before leaving any store.

Thankfully I never had a traffic check or permit check while carrying this thing or my wife would have been bailing me out of jail.

As I said, I have no complaints about the quality of the pistol and think it is a good value for the money, but will trust Keltec or any other gun manuf again without checking for my self to make sure all s/n's match.

TT

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bigfatdave
October 29, 2011, 07:40 AM
I wonder how long I would have walked around with an un-lincenced, un-registered conceiled firearm, until the police would have caught me with it. well, probably forever ... what's this "registration" nonsense? Do you live somewhere that it really matters?

I urge everyone out there that when purchasing a pistol from any dealer to compair s/ns of the box to the s/n of the gun in the box before leaving any store.it can't hurt, but I'm checking for warranty reasons, I don't live in an episode of CopDrama where everything is registered and we're all searched on a regular basis.

Kiln
October 29, 2011, 07:44 AM
Wait is the concealed carry permit tied to a specific pistol? I thought after you got your license you could carry whatever you wanted. Is this a state or federal restriction?

The only thing I thought was that if you qualified with a revolver you couldn't carry an automatic. I didn't think that you had to register and carry a specific firearm when you got your permit.

This has piqued my interest, could somebody clarify?

mbopp
October 29, 2011, 07:53 AM
In NY you need a permit, and all your guns' serial numbers are on the permit. To add / delete a handgun means a trip to the County Clerks office, and the S/N has to be on your permit before a gun shop can release it to you.
And yeah, I always verify the S/N on the gun and dealer reciept match.

tightgroup tiger
October 29, 2011, 07:53 AM
My conceiled carry permit is for any gun I carry, yes.

The other gun that was sold was registered to me and mine would have be registered to them.

Hypothetically speaking, If the other one would have been stolen and a crime was committed with it, the gun used in the crime would have shown up being registered to me.

This would have been a sticky situation to get out of.

This would have been visa-versa with the other person that bought the other one.

As far as a traffic check goes, where I live I have to notify the officer that I have a cc permit at which case he would check the s/n to see if it were stolen and he would have found out that this s/n isn't registered to me and here, our cc pistols have to be registered to be legal to carry.

dusty14u
October 29, 2011, 07:54 AM
Unlicensed?
Unregistered?

Exactly what state do you live in? All of my guns are unlicensed and unregistered in Virginia.

bigfatdave
October 29, 2011, 07:56 AM
The only thing I thought was that if you qualified with a revolver you couldn't carry an automatic. rare

In NY you need a permit, and all your guns' serial numbers are on the permityeah, I bet that really cuts down on crime!
(oh, wait, it just makes more malum prohibitum (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malum_prohibitum) criminals out of lawful citizens, and introduces a host of infringements.

tightgroup tiger
October 29, 2011, 08:03 AM
I live in North Carolina.

It was my understanding that in order to carry a pistol conceiled in this state it had to be registered by the state to be legal.

If I'm wrong I appoligize. I had a permit in PA for 25yrs. but have only had one here for one year. We also have to take a conceiled carry class and qualify at a range to get the permit in the first place.

The Sherrif's office here wants to know who is carrying what.

My point was that if the gun that was registered to me was used in a crime I would have been in a lot of trouble for a while, and layers would probably been involved to get me out of it.

fxstchewy
October 29, 2011, 08:07 AM
I live in NC too and we don't have a "registration" and with my permit i can carry whatever i chose.

tightgroup tiger
October 29, 2011, 08:21 AM
I think some of you are missing the point.

If you purchase a new handgun from a dealer in any state, it will be registered to you. It has nothing to do with the gun you want to carry.

The s/n of the gun I purchased ended up being registered to someone else, and theirs to me.

If their gun (which was registered to me) was used in a crime, the police would have came to see me about.

I wouldn't have appreciated that.

I'm just glad Keltec thought they made two guns with the same number and started checking into it or I would never have known.

The Lone Haranguer
October 29, 2011, 08:37 AM
I can see boxes and guns getting mixed up. Did your dealer record the serial number off the box? He should have gotten it off the actual, physical gun. The next time, hopefully he will know better.

It still isn't clear to me why he had to bring you down to the shop and "reregister" everything, though. Dealers do write down the s/n on the back of the 4473 form. Maybe it was CYA on his part.

Kiln
October 29, 2011, 08:38 AM
I can see boxes and guns getting mixed up. Did your dealer record the serial number off the box? He should have gotten it off the actual, physical gun. The next time, hopefully he will know better.

It still isn't clear to me why he had to bring you down to the shop and "reregister" everything, though. Dealers do write down the s/n on the back of the 4473 form. Maybe it was CYA on his part.
You beat me to it. They should always record the numbers on the actual gun to prevent it coming back to bite them in the butt later on.

wanderinwalker
October 29, 2011, 08:41 AM
If you live in a free state, it is not "registered" to you. It is logged out of the FFL's log book as transferred to you and the serial number is recorded on the 4473 you fill out. These are not "registration" forms.

And Kel-Tec is not the only company capable of making these mistakes in mis-boxing, labeling and shipping product. I recall at my old job once receiving a Remington 750 Carbine in .308 in a box for a .30-06 750 Rifle. (The serial number on the label did match the one on the receiver IIRC.) We ended up sending that one back.

tightgroup tiger
October 29, 2011, 08:53 AM
I agree that the dealer probably made the larger of the two mistakes, and will guarentee that if I buy anymore from handguns from them or anyone else, that I will check my self what they wrote down for serial #s.
Again, as I previously stated, I am glad Keltec was on the ball and caught this, no one else did until the dealers were notified by Keltec. My hat is off to Keltec for being on the ball.

PRM
October 29, 2011, 08:59 AM
If you purchase a new handgun from a dealer in any state, it will be registered to you.

Agree +1... the 4473 is not registration.

You also can legally sell/trade/dispose of a gun out of you collection without going through an FFL. Most gun enthusiasts have previously owned guns that they are now clueless as to their present ownership or have any idea how many hands they may have gone through. The only time the serial number would ever come up again on an FFL form is if that gun passed through another FFL (not registration). The police might one day ask you if you ever owned it, but no crime has been committed if you traded it 30 years ago. At least that's how the federal law works in the free states.

The Lone Haranguer
October 29, 2011, 09:00 AM
When I bought my CZ PCR in 2007, the salesman obviously took no chances. It would have been much easier to read the serial-numbered box, but he took the trouble to squish the oil-filled plastic bag the gun was packaged in against the frame to read the number. :D

dusty14u
October 29, 2011, 09:10 AM
Wow. Lots of misinformation you have on handguns. As noted above, there is no registration. At least in North Carolina. The FFL keeps the 4473 for his own records and the feds are prevented from registering by law. Your carry permit in North Carolina covers you, not any guns. You can carry whatever you wish as long as it is legal to buy. The sherriff has no clue how many or what kind of guns you own. Due to Jim Crow laws he can issue or not issue permits to buy a gun unless you have a CHP. That is as far as his authority goes.

If the police ran the serial numbers of your gun they would only be able to check it against a list of reported stolen guns. They have no clue who bought what where. The serial number on a plastic case has no bearing on anything. The FFL has to write the serial number from the actual gun, not the box it came in.

One of the few things factual is that yes, you do need to inform the LEO IF you are carrying.(in NC) I have been pulled once in NC and the cop barely acknowledged the fact when I handed him my Va CHP. It was a non-issue.

I will be moving from Va to NC in the near future as my wife and I have decided to live there. I am very familiar with all the laws there because there are notable differences between Va and NC. NC is fondly referred to as the Mass. of the south. Hopefully I will be engaged in getting some of the archaic Jim Crow laws tossed and helping to bring NC into the mainstream of 2nd Amendment America.

hardluk1
October 29, 2011, 09:21 AM
Het tight group tiger , did you contact KT to see if this happened there OR your dealer screwed up and swapped 2 pistols with you pay'n attention and tthen it was caught. W ith every fiream i have ever bought that I remember I have watched the dealer check the firearm to the box to see that all numbers match. Check with KT just to see who screwed up.

I to am in NC and one of 2 handguns I carry, one is a used but check kahr and the other is a new kahr. IF YOU BUY A USED FIREARM JUST BESURE TO COVER YOUR BUTT WITH A PICTURE AND LIECENCE INFO OF THE PERSON YOU BOUGHT IT FROM.

tightgroup tiger
October 29, 2011, 09:21 AM
I don't think this dealer will make this mistake again, he was pretty upset.

But will I trust him again? No. I will be checking all number my self from now on.

Looking back on this post, I wish I would have kept Keltec's name out of this. I think they are very reputable and really like their products so far.

I hope I didn't give anyone any wrong ideas about them. As stated by someone else previously all the manufactures make mistakes.

And I will be watching for them from now on.

The dealer is more to blame for not checking the number on the gun.

tightgroup tiger
October 29, 2011, 09:28 AM
Hardluk1
The dealer blamed it on kt, now I am starting to wounder is I was told the truth.

I honestly don't have proof if both gun were sold by them or as the dealer said, another dealer sold the other.

Mistakes are made by everyone, my intention with this post was to make people think when they purchase a firearm to check the numbers themselves.

This is a reputable dealer who has been in business for quite some time and I will buy from him again.

I will just be more careful next time.

tightgroup tiger
October 29, 2011, 10:14 AM
dusty14u

I'm glad you clarified this for me and educated me on the how this all works.

I understand alot better now. In NC in the county I live in you have to purchase a "purchase permit" from the Sheriff and present it to the ffl dealer upon purchase.
Does the sheriff not get a notification of the s/n of the firearm you purchased from the dealer using this purchase permit? I was just wondering.

dusty14u
October 29, 2011, 10:46 AM
The Sheriff doesn't have a clue what you bought with the permit. This was part of the Jim Crow era where they prevented blacks from being able to defend themselves. You are supposed to present the permit even during face to face sales but I don't know what would prevent you from using the permit over and over.

My wife just bought a gun permit and other than a slight inconvenience had no problems. She works 3 blocks from the courthouse and sheriffs office. Different counties have different requirements, depending upon if the sheriff is pro or anti 2nd Amendment. Even when they use the NCIS system the feds have no clue whether they are accepting or denying a handgun or a long gun. Just that you are cleared to purchase a weapon. They can keep no record of what you have bought, whether pistol or long gun. Some states have enacted their own registrations and licensing , which is why I questioned what state you live in.

One of the best , and most informative sites is GNRC ( Grass Roots NC)

http://www.grnc.org/firearms.htm

You do have to be careful in NC because although they have preemption they still allow localities to make whatever dim witted laws they can come up with and not challenge them. Such as in Cary, NC. Go to GNRC and sign up for their news email. It is very informative as to whats going on in NC concerning the 2nd Amendment issues.

I guess we have become to accustomed to papers and tv media stating that johnny Appleseed had a permit or the pistol was licensed to so and so. That is completely wrong in most states and the media only regurgitates what they have seen from Hollywood and TV cop shows.

Sulaco
October 29, 2011, 11:29 AM
There's no such thing as "gun registration" in NC. When you guy a gun from an FFL, he simply records the sale for his records. The form you fill out is to verify that you can legally obtain a gun, not to keep up with who has what. Think about if you bought from an individual. There's no official exchange of information at all. The same goes for it you have a gun replaced by the manufacturer. They just send you the gun. At least that's how it is in NC and SC. I suppose it could be different elsewhere.

danez71
October 29, 2011, 11:42 AM
If the gun was dumped at the scene of a crime....court order makes mfg say which dealer it went to... dealer says who they sold it to.

If the gun was stolen before the crime, that S/N reported stolen could also have been from the box which would have been in correct.

IIRC, The feds traced the S/N from a rear axle to the mfg of the axle...to the truck the axle was installed in... to the rental company truck was sold to ... to the renter of the truck which was Timothy McVeigh.


Maybe he shouldnt have said 'registered' but the OP,,,, the concern is valid.

3KillerBs
October 29, 2011, 02:30 PM
I live in NC and there's no gun registration here.

You have to have a pistol purchase permit or a CHL to make the purchase, but the gun itself is not registered.

Nakanokalronin
October 29, 2011, 03:08 PM
Did the dealer have the other pistol and box or was the other pistol and box somewhere else?Reason I ask is that the shop might have taken the guns out and put them in the wrong boxes. The shop is also suppose to check the box serial number and the gun serial number with every purchase so stuff like this doesn't happen.

Walt Sherrill
October 29, 2011, 04:01 PM
If the police ran the serial numbers of your gun they would only be able to check it against a list of reported stolen guns. They have no clue who bought what where. The serial number on a plastic case has no bearing on anything. The FFL has to write the serial number from the actual gun, not the box it came in.

Not exactly. They could, with the help of the ATF, go back to the manufacturer and work forward. As long as subsequent transfers were done by FFLs (or private individuals who kept records), and not too many years had elapsed, they could work their way up to the current owner. If someone in that chain wasn't an FFL, and didn't keep detailed records, the chain would be broken.

The FFL is supposed to write the number from the actual gun, not the box, but that clearly didn't happen in the example cited by the original poster.

This tracking process will only work for about, I think, 10 years from the date of initial transfer -- as FFLs are only required to keep records for about that long.

dusty14u
October 29, 2011, 04:26 PM
Not exactly. They could, with the help of the ATF, go back to the manufacturer and work forward. As long as subsequent transfers were done by FFLs (or private individuals who kept records), and not too many years had elapsed, they could work their way up to the current owner. If someone in that chain wasn't an FFL, and didn't keep detailed records, the chain would be broken.

The FFL is supposed to write the number from the actual gun, not the box, but that clearly didn't happen in the example cited by the original poster.

This tracking process will only work for about, I think, 10 years from the date of initial transfer -- as FFLs are only required to keep records for about that long.
I was specifically responding to the OP's statement which said if he was stopped by the police they would be able to check the serial database and see the serial number for his gun. Not gonna happen since there is no database. At a traffic stop or such the police can only check the gun against a stolen gun database.

If the gun was involved in a crime then yes, the ATF could backtrack to which FFL the gun went to and then the first person to purchase.

If you follow the link I posted above you will read this

Federal Firearms Licensees’ (FFLs) must keep a copy of each BATF 4473 for which a NICS check

has been initiated, regardless of whether the transfer of the firearm was completed. If the transfer

is not completed, the FFL must keep the Form 4473 for five (5) years after the date of the NICS

inquiry. If the transfer is completed, the FFL must keep the Form 4473 for 20 years after the date

of the sale or disposition. 27 CFR 478.129(b)

Walt Sherrill
October 29, 2011, 05:07 PM
I was specifically responding to the OP's statement which said if he was stopped by the police they would be able to check the serial database and see the serial number for his gun. Not gonna happen since there is no database. At a traffic stop or such the police can only check the gun against a stolen gun database.

I agree with what you write here, and there was a LOT of misinformation -- and you're correct that there's no way the police could do a QUICK check like the OP feared.

But, many folks don't understand that law enforcement agencies DO have the ability to track gun ownership and transfers more extensively if they choose to. It's not always a successful search, but it sometime works for them. (And, as you note, FFL records must be kept for 20 years, not 10.)

There's no reason to think that most law enforcement agency would undertake the sort of hunt for information the OP was concerned about, at a traffic stop, etc. But, in some states, depending on the permitting process and state or local laws, the officers might be more GESTAPO-like.

I also have a NC CWP and appreciate that while we in NC have it a lot easier than in some states, still other states have it easier, still.


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igousigloo
October 29, 2011, 10:45 PM
I live in Ohio. There is no listing of guns on the conceal carry permit. A new buy is only listed when bought from a dealer through an FFL. Private buys are not listed and no transfer is made.

MCgunner
October 29, 2011, 11:36 PM
In NY you need a permit, and all your guns' serial numbers are on the permit.

Thank GOD for Texas. We need secession. :rolleyes: Over half my firearms were bought used and have no 4473 paperwork or anything else and it's none of the gubment's business. The gubment has no clue how many firearms I have....but it's lots. :D

NG VI
October 30, 2011, 12:40 AM
I wonder how long I would have walked around with an un-lincenced, un-registered conceiled firearm, until the police would have caught me with it.

I urge everyone out there that when purchasing a pistol from any dealer to compair s/ns of the box to the s/n of the gun in the box before leaving any store.

Thankfully I never had a traffic check or permit check while carrying this thing or my wife would have been bailing me out of jail.


No she wouldn't have. There's no federal licensing or registration scheme either, the 4473s are kind of irrelevant except as a means to badger FFLs and as a CYA in case a prohibited person somehow manages to successfully pass an NICS check and buys a gun from an FFL.

If police for some reason ran your pistol's serial number, the only way it could possibly lead to uncomfortable questions is if the specific gun/serial number in question had been reported stolen at some point. Being that the other gunstore did what they were supposed to, and actually recorded the serial number off the firearm and not off the box, the minor mistake was caught.

Your state has a licensing and registration scheme? Ugly.



Oh I think you've gotten everything straightened out already.

NG VI
October 30, 2011, 12:43 AM
Thank GOD for Texas. We need secession. Over half my firearms were bought used and have no 4473 paperwork or anything else and it's none of the gubment's business. The gubment has no clue how many firearms I have....but it's lots.



But you can still be arrested for printing?

MCgunner
October 30, 2011, 06:18 PM
But you can still be arrested for printing?

No, we can only be arrested for "flashing". The printing thing was clarified in a revision of the law. NOW, what we're trying to do is get open carry so that "flashing" will be irrelevant. :D THIS needs to happen.

I never claimed Texas was the BEST gun owner's state, but it's far from the WORST. We don't have any kind of registration in any shape or form.

Arizona finally has it right. So does Alaska I believe. I think New Hampshire is decent, but hell, we got counties bigger than that. In Texas, we have some things to work out, yet, but we seem to be getting there....I hope.

todd_g
October 30, 2011, 10:02 PM
Years ago when I lived in Charleston, SC CCW'rs had to qualify with the firearm they would be carrying and that is all they could carry. Here in Mich. that is not the case, but all handgun purchases gun shop or private sale must be registered with the local and state police. A CCW'r can purchase a handgun as long as document RI-60 is filled out and mailed to your local police dept and or Sherrifs office, they intern send a copy to the state police. Folks without a CCW must go to the police dept and get a permit to purchase ( basically they run a background check charge you $5 and give a card you give the person or shop you are buying from )

tightgroup tiger
October 31, 2011, 06:08 PM
Yes, in Raleigh there is.

It seems to be federally exempt from State laws.

All of it seems to be alive and well in Raleigh unless it has changed recently.

Walt Sherrill
October 31, 2011, 06:43 PM
Your state has a licensing and registration scheme? Ugly.

Yes, in Raleigh there is.

It seems to be federally exempt from State laws.

All of it seems to be alive and well in Raleigh unless it has changed recently.

I'm curious -- what is that scheme?

I know that CONCEALED CARRY licensees are in a database, but not their weapons. No registration, there.

I've heard that Durham has tried to institute a registration scheme, but it doesn't look as though it's being enforced.

As a NC resident, I'd like to know what am I missing -- or what I have to be concerned about?

Elm Creek Smith
October 31, 2011, 10:33 PM
In Oklahoma, there is no registration or licensing of guns. When you take the Concealed Handgun License class you have to shoot a "qualification" which is more of a "demonstrate that you won't accidentally shoot yourself." If you shoot a semiautomatic, you can carry a semiautomatic, a revolver, or a derringer. If you shoot a revolver, all you can carry is a revolver. If you shoot a derringer(?), all you can carry is a derringer. I shot an M1911A1 (after carrying one for 16 years in the Army before we got stuck with the M9), but I carry revolvers.

The guns you carry don't show up on your license anywhere.

ECS

carbuncle
November 1, 2011, 12:09 AM
Every time I've purchased a gun from a store, the clerks have taken the gun out and checked it against the S/N on the box: sloppy on Kel-Tec's part, super sloppy on the dealer's part.

Nullcone
November 1, 2011, 01:58 AM
TGT,

I read through this thread, but may have missed it... what evidence do you have that this was KT's screwup and not the dealer's? Does the barcode data on a particular box not match the serial# printed on it?

The more likely scenario to me is the dealer had 2 (or more) similar/identical pistols and put them back incorrectly after inspecting/playing with them. They then noticed the error when they went to sell the other pistol.

I say this partly because you had a lot of misconceptions about "registering" guns in your state which I think a half-decent shop would've made an attempt to correct at the same time they were fiddling with your paperwork.

In short, barring some evidence or admission from KT, I would ask for a Mod to edit the thread title removing all mention of KT.

Disclosure: I have owned 2 Kel Tec's and been satisfied with them. Still own one and plan on adding a 2nd back to my inventory... maybe 3 if those KSGs ever make it to market.

Frizzman
November 1, 2011, 05:56 PM
Seems to me that the point of this is simple. One should always check the serial number on anything you buy if the serial number is of any importance. I always check the VIN# on any vehicle I buy and the serial numbers on any guns I buy. People do screw up and its MY responsibility to verify such things. Here, in Virginia, its legal for private individuals to buy/sell and trade guns with other state residents who are not felons. That kinda messes up the "registration" idea.

tightgroup tiger
November 1, 2011, 08:25 PM
Frizzman,

Thank you,

That was exactly the point of the post.

Nullcone,

I don't have a thing against Kelltec, after reading the posts from apparent FFL holders or people that are very knowledgable in these things, I know that the larger mistake was made by the dealer, if in fact Keltec even made one.

No, the barcode and the s/n on the box did not match the number on the pistol. That's the way I purchased it and didn't think to look. The barcode # and s/n on the box was transfered to my name. The pistol had a diferent #.

I don't have any proof that Keltec switched anything, I was going off of what the dealer told me. He said the other gun was finally sold, and I don't know the record keeping process of the gun manuf's or how they know when a gun has been sold, or if their even is a record keeping process by the manuf but he said Keltec called him after the other gun was sold because Keltec thought two pistols were built with the same s/n.

The dealer then called me to bring mine in to check the numbers and found that indeed the barcode and # on the box did not match the # on the pistol.

I already stated previously that I wish I would have kept Keltecs name out of this altogether after I learned the responsibility of the FFL.

I think I should have taken someone's advise in this thread and called Keltec to find out if this "switch" in fact did happen or if I was mislead.

I don't blame Keltec at all now. After about 15 people chimed about the FFL holders responsibility's in checking numbers, I now know Keltec in practibility did nothing more than a clearical error, if it happened at all.

This post was about making sure people think about checking your serial #s when buying a handgun, not a witch hunt for Keltec.

As others have said, "This happens with all the manafacturers."

I will buy more Keltec products in the future and still, as I said in the original post, that I think they make an outstanding product for the money and are very reputable, and nothing will change that opinion I have for them.

I think we all need to let this thing die.

I will ask for a Modification for the title, I don't care if Keltec did switch the pistols in the boxes. I agree completely. I just have to figure out how.

The gun laws of North Carolina that are stated here are very interesting though. I have really enjoyed reading about them.

TT

makarovnik
November 2, 2011, 06:29 AM
Are you still considered the owner of the incorrect serial number pistol? I would be more concerned about that.

EMC45
November 2, 2011, 10:29 AM
I honestly don't believe KelTec made the mistake. I think the dealer is playing the blame game and he got caught with his pants down. Every time I have ever bought a firearm the dealer has always PHYSICALLY HELD the firearm being purchased and rattled off the serial number(s) for the 4473. PERIOD! I have never witnessed a dealer going off the info on the box. That is ludicrous!

hiker44
November 2, 2011, 04:14 PM
The feds just require your purchase to be filed. Out here, they do not "license" any particular firearm for concealed carry, so I can legally carry any of my guns concealed, regardless of serial number. Open carry is the same. No "registered" serial numbers for carry. Most of mine were mine before the feds began keeping serial numbers, anyway.

chris in va
November 2, 2011, 11:30 PM
Regardless of registration or no, I would still like to have the box and firearm match. Probably would have done the same thing.

jrhyne
November 3, 2011, 02:26 PM
North Carolina does not have any statewide registration of handguns. However, Durham County does. It is ONLY Durham County that requires registration.

Here's some helpful info from another forum; I believe it has the actual text:

http://www.carolinashootersforum.com/showthread.php?t=100651

Cactus Jack Arizona
November 4, 2011, 04:30 AM
In my country we have a 2nd Amendment stating that we have a right to keep and bear arms. No registration needed. :rolleyes::neener:

Actually, I would also prefer my firearm's serial number match that which is on the box/case. You will be better off this way.

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