Which 9mm semi-Auto should I buy?


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BarkeyVA
October 29, 2011, 02:16 PM
I have a .22 cal. Ruger Mark I semi-auto and a .357 cal. Ruger GP-100 revolver. I'm thinking of purchasing a 9mm semi-auto for general target shooting. I don't reload, so I shoot mostly .38's in the GP-100, and I know that factory 9mm ammo is also relatively inexpensive as well.

I have several shotguns for home defense. At this point I do not feel the need to carry a concealed weapon or to use it for open carry which is legal in Virginia.

Any recommendations for a moderately priced 9mm semi-auto that would best fit my needs? Thanks!

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MICHAEL T
October 29, 2011, 02:18 PM
Iwould look for a good used S&W 9mkm They are good pistols and even used are normally a good buy.

HOOfan_1
October 29, 2011, 02:27 PM
CZ 75, Ruger P95, Sig Pro SP2022, FNP-9

97guns
October 29, 2011, 02:31 PM
might as well keep it ruger

triplebike
October 29, 2011, 02:36 PM
$300 - Ruger P95

$400 - Stoeger Cougar 8000 (best value available on the market today)

$500 - CZ 75B

$600 - Beretta 92FS

JTQ
October 29, 2011, 02:37 PM
Ruger SR9
http://www.ruger.com/products/sr9/index.html?r=y

Moptop
October 29, 2011, 02:39 PM
Although a little more expensive there is no finer 9mm pistol than the Browning Hi-Power. It is the best built and design that I have even come across. Easiest auto to diassemble for cleaning.

sigarms228
October 29, 2011, 02:47 PM
You are going to get advice to buy pretty much every 9MM pistol out there that has a barrel longer than 3.7 inches and then some.

You REALLY need to try and rent what you are considering to try out yourself ideally on the same range session.

But since you asked here are my preferences after having tried numerous 9MM pistols. The list below are all fantastic pistols and I shoot them all very well. Don't let the size of the Walthers fool you as they are supreme tack drivers and also fine ccw pistols. A common trait of all these are wonderful triggers right out of the box and great reliability. The Walthers have fantastic ergonomics with that wonderful grip they have.

Lower price - SIG SP2022
Mid priced - Walther P99 AS or PPQ
Higher priced - SIG P226 or P229

HOOfan_1
October 29, 2011, 02:48 PM
Easiest auto to diassemble for cleaning.

huh? I love the Hi-Power, but how is it easier to field strip than the Glock style take down or the S&W M&P, SIG P226, FNP/X style take down?

W.E.G.
October 29, 2011, 02:55 PM
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/Glock/kool_aidGlock.jpg

JTQ
October 29, 2011, 04:14 PM
HOOfan_1 wrote,
huh? I love the Hi-Power, but how is it easier to field strip than the Glock style take down or the S&W M&P, SIG P226, FNP/X style take down?

Watch Hickock45 take down the Glock the second time around. I'm pretty sure he's not the only one that runs into this problem. Remember, he is a big time Glock user, a Glock is basically an extension of his hand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZf4mUM10Vc&feature=relmfu

I think the Hi-Power requires a little less manual dexterity than the Glock.

HOOfan_1
October 29, 2011, 04:22 PM
Watch Hickock45 take down the Glock the second time around.

I think the Hi-Power requires a little less manual dexterity than the Glock.

he had a problem because he was pulling the slide back too far. How about the FNP style take down? That is as simple as you can get. The Hi-Power is only a step beyond the 1911 in the evolution of field stripping.

I've watched youtube videos of taking down the Hi-Power and seen people having trouble locking the slide all the way back to the take down slot.

3KillerBs
October 29, 2011, 04:25 PM
My husband loves his Smith and Wesson, M&P 9. Even with the smallest backstraps on its still just slightly large for my hand, but I can shoot it well regardless so I don't have any ill words to say about it. The only people I've ever heard speak ill of that model are the Glock fanatics who say that's its just a Glock clone so one might as well get a Glock. LOL

My dream range 9mm is a Beretta or Taurus 92 (Beretta's good name vs the better position of the safety on the Taurus). I shoot those very well and they fit my hand perfectly.

I love my Taurus 709 Slim, but its a carry gun, not a range gun and that's a big difference. The Ruger LC9 is very similar so that's probably not what you're looking for.

Mr.Blue
October 29, 2011, 06:20 PM
I like the Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm and the CZ 75B 9mm the best, but they can run $450-$525ish. That still is not very expensive, especially considering that the CZ is all steel. If you are really looking to save $$, you can beat a Ruger. They may be ugly and have no personality, but you get a lot for your money.

Jed Carter
October 29, 2011, 11:21 PM
Rock Island 9mm 1911, good, cheap, accurate pistol. http://centerfiresystems.com/AC-RI1911TACA9MM.aspx Of all the 9mm pistols I own or have shot, nothing comes close to the 1911s, maybe my Glock G34 with it's 5.32" barrel and a $150 trigger job. $ for $ a 1911 will outshoot most any pistol, and the trigger can make your day at the range. CZ, SIG, Glock an the Beretta are great service pistols, but the SA 1911 will shoot circles around any of these, in the average shooter's hands.

towboat_er
October 29, 2011, 11:48 PM
Ya might check out the Smith & Wesson 5906 or 6906. Good police trade ins.

Bozwell
October 30, 2011, 12:00 AM
I'll agree with the CZ recommendation. Depending on what "moderately priced" is in your book, I'd look into a CZ Shadow (either 75B or SP-01). These make excellent range guns and are a dream to shoot. Great triggers, low recoil, a natural pointer, reliable and odds are more accurate than you'll ever be (certainly more than I am ;)).

There are also great options in the less expensive CZ models too.

arcticap
October 30, 2011, 12:09 AM
I agree that the S&W 5906 and 6906 are great moderately priced guns.
Also the Ruger P85, especially if it's the MKll model or has MKllR stamped on the safety lever. That means that it has already had the safety fixed ( http://www.ruger.com/products/_manuals/p85.pdf ).
As well as the Ruger P89 which is basically the same as the P85 MKll but has a lighter, improved trigger.

willypete
October 30, 2011, 04:39 AM
Smith and Wesson 5906. $275 + shipping and whatever your LGS charges.

http://wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000277

wvshooter
October 30, 2011, 11:22 AM
might as well keep it ruger



Good answer.

For what you listed as your intended use I don't think you could beat the P95

GLG20
October 30, 2011, 11:28 AM
Rugers are hard to beat for the money. They have a great warranty.

jfrey
October 30, 2011, 12:21 PM
Any one who's had problems locking a BHP slide back as HOOfan suggested is a "people" problem, not a gun problem. I can field strip my HP just as fast as my G19. The HP is a far superior gun. Many women like the HP too because of the ergonomics and pointability. I had to spend a few dollars on additional parts and polishing to get my G19 to shoot the way I want it to. I just polished the factory parts in the HP and got the desired results.

Everybody likes something different.

Girodin
October 30, 2011, 03:09 PM
Any one who's had problems locking a BHP slide back as HOOfan suggested is a "people" problem, not a gun problem. I can field strip my HP just as fast as my G19.

Surely they same can be said about anyone that cannot break down a glock. None of them are difficult. That said, I think the sig and steyr are slightly easier. I'd be inclined to say that the glock is too.

38sp4life
October 30, 2011, 04:20 PM
Beretta 92. Well balanced, well designed, and very accurate. You can find a good used one for a good price.

Get R Done Guns
October 30, 2011, 04:26 PM
Beretta 92
Ruger SR9 or 9c
FN FNX9
M&P 9
These are some of our best sellers in 9mm. The taurus line is also ok and sells well but that didn't make the list.

Furncliff
October 30, 2011, 06:03 PM
There's a lot of love out there for the S&W 5906, I'll have to try one of them myself.

My choice would be CZ75b. Not expensive, reliable and accurate. Mine comes with me to the range every time.

An added benefit is the Kadet conversion. Swop the barrel and slide in 10-15 seconds and your shooting .22 LR.

BarkeyVA
October 30, 2011, 10:33 PM
Thanks to everyone for your recommendations.

My Ruger Mark I and GP-100 have light trigger pulls with no lag. Any comments on which models have the best triggers right out of the box?

Also, I wear size Large gloves, so I'm thinking a full size gun would be better for me.

I'd like to find something for $400 or less, although I might be willing to spend a little more if I find one that I really like.

mavracer
October 30, 2011, 11:47 PM
I'd reccomend looking at a CZ85 combat, a witness elite match or a Rock Island 1911. They have the best triggers in your price range IMHO.

ugaarguy
October 31, 2011, 12:59 AM
Barkey, we really need to know a few things before we can really make accurate recommendations. The big things are, first, do you want hammer or striker fired; and, second, do you prefer DA only, SA only, or DA/SA. Also of importance, do you have a preference of steel, aluminum, or plastic frame? Knowing those things will help us make recommendations, and not a list.


Historical Geekiness Below:

Beretta and Glock rule the 9 mm world as far as I can see. Everything else seems to be a copy of thereof!
You may wish to research the HK VP 70, which was the first polymer frame, striker fired pistol. After that take a look at the Roth-Steyr M1907, and Browning designed FN Model 1910 because those were the first two striker fired pistols in the world. We then have to go back to 1893 and Hugo Borchardt's C-93 to find the origins of the detachable magazine box which is held in the pistol grip. Then we need to fast forward to the Colt M1910 (predecessor of the M1911) to find the tilt breech locking mechanism.

Glock 17 = Plastic frame FN Model 1910 with updated Roth-Steyr M1907 striker mechanism, and a modified Browning tilt breech locking mechanism. Just about every semi-auto pistol made after the early 1900s has borrowed Hugo Borchardt's magazine design & layout.

You could say that the Beretta 92 is just a 1911 with a modification to the tilt breech locking mechanism, and the hammer firing mechanism modified to allow DA and SA firing. I'm sure another arms historian can tell you what the first DA/SA pistol was.

The basis of all modern semi-auto pistols is almost as old as the metallic cartridge itself. We just re-blend, modify, apply to new material & manufacturing processes, and even outright copy some really old ideas.

Jed Carter
October 31, 2011, 06:03 AM
Best trigger out of the box... under $1000 STI Trojan ($999), for under $700 STI Spartan ($628). Both are available in 9mm, both are 1911-A1 platform. 1911 with a 4-5lb triggers should out perform a similar priced CZ 75 SA, or Browning Hi Power. SIG P210, msrp $2100, S&W 952 msrp $2200, are as good as 9mm non 1911 get. From my experience with DA/SA and striker fired pistols (0 to 10, 10 being best) SIG P226 DA 4 SA 6, Beretta 92 FS DA 2, SA 4, CZ 75B DA 0, SA 3, S&W M&P 4 easily improved to a 6, Glock 3 very easily improved to a 7. one pf the best DA/Sa triggers I have experienced was on a CZ SP01 that had a CZ custom shop trigger DA 7 SA 8, cost around $1400. Get an STI 1911 in 9mm you will not be disapointed.

Philo_Beddoe
October 31, 2011, 08:12 AM
I'm thinking of purchasing a 9mm semi-auto for general target shooting.

IMO the best range 9mm for the money. Accurate, good ergos, good trigger.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_82/products_id/411536718

Philo_Beddoe
October 31, 2011, 08:20 AM
1911 with a 4-5lb triggers should out perform a similar priced CZ 75 SA, or Browning Hi Power. SIG P210, msrp $2100, S&W 952 msrp $2200, are as good as 9mm non 1911 get.

I would put this gun at $980:

http://czcustom.com/cz75shadowsablk.aspx

Against any similarly priced 1911 any day of the week and bet it beats it on trigger, accuracy, ergonomics, and reliablity. Unless you really have tiny hands and need a single stack gun I would take the CZ, guns tend to work the best in the caliber they were orginally designed for.

Pilot
October 31, 2011, 09:47 AM
^^^^^^^^

That CZ would be my choice too.

HOOfan_1
October 31, 2011, 09:50 AM
You could say that the Beretta 92 is just a 1911 with a modification to the tilt breech locking mechanism, and the hammer firing mechanism modified to allow DA and SA firing. I'm sure another arms historian can tell you what the first DA/SA pistol was.


Beretta 92 borrows heavily from the Walther P-38 as well, which was one of the first DA/SA autos. The CZ 75 came out long before the Glock and about the same time as the Beretta 92, and it is much more similar to the Browning Hi-Power and SIG P210....hardly a copy of anything Beretta or Glock make.

Mike OTDP
October 31, 2011, 10:05 AM
For range work? You may not like it, but I'd be inclined to put my money into a better .22 and get more shooting for my ammo dollar.

As for a 9mm, you're looking at either a defense gun or a seriously accurate (read expensive) piece. Defense guns - pick your choice, they are all about the same when it comes to accuracy. If you want a real shooter, look for either a S&W 952 or a Sig P-210.

BarkeyVA
October 31, 2011, 10:45 AM
I get plenty of fun shooting with my Mark I .22.

I just want the "best" (most reliable) new or used full size 9mm semi-auto that I can get for under $500. It can be polymer or steel, DA, SA or both, striker or hammer-fired. However, I probably would prefer having a visible hammer which I think would provide more options.

basicblur
October 31, 2011, 10:57 AM
I see you're in southeastern VA, so you may not be near a Town Police Supply (http://www.townpolice.com/contact.cfm)? (got one in Collinsville and Richmond).

Was just in there the other day and they had a number of XD essentials (service length and sub-compact) in 9mm and 40 for $399, and Springfield has their promotion for 3 free magazines and a double mag pouch included.

Not too shabby, but I don't know if the price is still good since their big fall sale ended Saturday?

If you're interested and are near 'em, might give 'em a call and check?

Old Navy
October 31, 2011, 06:07 PM
I own or have owned the following in 9mm.

Glock, Springfield XDM, Beretta, Bersa, Ruger, Taurus, CZ, HK, Sig and Walther PPQ.

The Walther PPQ is tied with the HK for accuracy but costs much less.
All the above were good pistols except the taurus.

If I had to choose just one it would be the Walther. Holds 15 +1, comes with 2 mags, VERY easy to take down, easy to conceal and the best trigger I have EVER seen on a non 1911. It has a 1/10th inch reset!!! Can be bought for around $550. AWESOME GUN!

Jed Carter
October 31, 2011, 09:36 PM
Under $500, RIA 1911 9mm, they can be had under $400 http://centerfiresystems.com/AC-RI1911-9MM.aspx

BarkeyVA
November 1, 2011, 08:41 PM
Interestingly, I just got a call from my neighbor. He has a NIB Sig P226 that he bought several years ago but never fired it. He wants to sell it for $600

What do you think! Is this a good gun worth considering at that price or not?

carbuncle
November 2, 2011, 02:17 AM
S&W 5906 or Beretta 92, price edge goes to S&W and the accuracy edge to Beretta. Both are fun guns to shoot and great for the range and/or home defense if you chose to use them in that role as well as a pure fun gun.

HOOfan_1
November 2, 2011, 09:40 AM
Interestingly, I just got a call from my neighbor. He has a NIB Sig P226 that he bought several years ago but never fired it. He wants to sell it for $600

What do you think! Is this a good gun worth considering at that price or not?

Considering they usually go for $750+ I would jump on it.

Bozwell
November 2, 2011, 09:53 AM
Sigs are solid choices, especially the P226. They have a great reputation and they're all around high quality guns. I have a buddy who recently bought a P229 E2 and I was very impressed with the fit and finish as well as the quality of the trigger out of the box. Since you're getting a NIB P226 in a $600 FTF transfer, I'd definitely say go for it.

You can get a CZ75B for a bit less, but the trigger out of the box wouldn't be nearly as nice as the Sig's. And while I would say that you can get a better trigger at the end of the day with a customized CZ75B, that's going to cost you more than $600. My advice, get the Sig and enjoy it. :)

BarkeyVA
November 2, 2011, 11:24 PM
The serial number is U481XXX with KD date code (1993?) made in Germany in original box with factory test target, owners manual, etc. I am sure it has never been fired. From the comments, $600 seems to be a very good price.

Are there any issues with this particular model that you are aware of??

BarkeyVA
November 5, 2011, 07:00 PM
Thanks to everyone for your comments.

I bought the gun yesterday for $600. I double checked date code, and it is indeed KD (1993). I broke the gun down while sitting at my neighbor's kitchen table, and it is pristine. I'm confident it has never been fired. I've known him for over 30 years and did not want to insult him by trying to "negotiate" a lower price.

Since this is the first semi-auto I've owned, what gun oil/grease do you and others recommend for lubricating the slide and other moving parts?

PabloJ
November 5, 2011, 07:50 PM
While nothing made in quantities of cereal boxes is certain to work 100% the Glock is gold standard today. I would get Mod. 19. Why buy another brand that almost always works when one can get something that always works.:scrutiny:

Sonic82
November 5, 2011, 08:51 PM
Congrats BarkeyVA! You made out darn good!!!

carbuncle
November 5, 2011, 08:56 PM
Great price on a great gun, I personally don't think you can go wrong with a German Sig. Have fun with it!

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chrisb507
November 5, 2011, 09:31 PM
It's hard to go wrong with a P226--especially at that price! If you really like it, there's lots of similar models in Sig's line...including a .22lr P226.

PabloJ
November 5, 2011, 10:23 PM
Congratulations are in order as it's hard to best P226.

Mr.Blue
November 5, 2011, 10:26 PM
So the gun was NIB, but made in 1993? How did this guy control himself so long? I have to shoot new guns the day I buy them or at the very least the next day.

plouffedaddy
November 5, 2011, 10:42 PM
G17
M&P9 Pro
FNX9

I have all, all are durable, accurate, and 100% reliable in my experience. Can't go wrong with any of them.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/tiffani33/Guns/mail-2-1.jpg

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