January 28, 2003, 10:33 AM
I was at the battle of the bulge reactment at Fort Indian Town gap PA, last Saturday. I got to fire a 45ACP grease gun and a Browning .50cal. machine gun. Blank firing of cores. The blank cartages where crimped like a little shotgun shells. The machine guns had restricters in the barrels to build back pressure and also provide head space for the blank carteges. It never dawned on me to ask there, but where do you get the crimping die to make those.

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50 Shooter
January 28, 2003, 11:02 AM
Try CH4D, or you can try Old Western Scrounger. Don't know the website offhand but you can try doing a search on them.

January 28, 2003, 05:47 PM
Checked out the web sit. They had exactly what I was looking for.

Paul "Fitz" Jones
January 28, 2003, 07:00 PM
This thread reminds me that I have a couple items that might be blank firing mechanisms for a rifle. There is a bar that could go in a barrel about 30 caliber and a big flap coming out to the side of the end of it and it has flourescsent orange paint on it. If anyone can identify it I will dig them out and write the numbers down on them.

Thanks Paul Jones

January 29, 2003, 06:21 PM
That sound like a millatery blank adapter. Probely for a M-14 rifle. I assume. Maybe even a M-1 grand.

Paul "Fitz" Jones
January 30, 2003, 12:11 AM
A man contacted me about needing blanks as I have hundreds of cowboy 5-1n-ones that are used for shot and as blanks with black powder and cotton stuffed in them in cowboy moovies and made up some for a local funeral of a Veteran. There are groups of men who form a Honor Guards to fire blanks at Veteran's funerals and blanks are hard to come by especially for 30-06 and 308 calibers. Old western Scrounger sells them for 25 cents each which is not affordable for the volunteers. They wanted them with a cardboard plug and sealed with red lacquer like issue blanks. I suggested they buy a round punch of the right diameter and ask local veterans at their Veterans halls to punch them out some cardboard plugs to give a local reloader.

I have thousands of fired 223 fired blanks and I have made them into 222 Remington ammo, 30 mauser and 30 Luger ammo by cutting trimming to length and sizing and loading.

My first reloading job as a teen was pulling bullets and stuffing cotton in 30-06 ammo for my Cadet Corps outings.

Can anyone inform me of less expensive sources of blanks or donations to the Honor Guards in your areas?

January 30, 2003, 09:40 AM
It would be a lot easier to by a crimping die from 50 Shooter turned me unto them. You get one in .30cal, you can do 30-06 and 308. Use it in a progressive press and spit them out by the thousands, for almost no money. Paint the end red, you at least close. It's probely a little safer to. I couldn't recommend what powder or how much to use.

Paul "Fitz" Jones
January 30, 2003, 12:55 PM
Bazooka Joe. Thanks for your input. I was the top Salesman for the C-H company that 4D bought becoming CH4D. The reason for the cardboard plug is that the brass is reuseable indefinately, whereas the crimped brass can be a hassle to try to use again if at all. Also in rifles for the funerals they can be fired single shot at a time. For the WW1 veterans they used Springfield rifles, For WW2 veterans Garands. I have heard that in the last decade we have been losing a thousand veterans a month in the country. It is really honorable to volunteer to be an Honor Guard member. There are plenty of 5.56 blanks available for Vietnam veterans. I have a couple of 45/70 blanks that were used for Spanish/American war veterans.

While in college for a psychology class on aging I volunteered to entertain Veterans in a Veterans home and hospital. It was sad to see them dying from smoking lung cancer since being given cigarettes in their WW2 food rations and not being able to ever quit.

John Paul Jones

Alan Smithiee
February 3, 2003, 11:08 PM
and here I was trying to come up with a good excuse to buy some blank crimpers.. I'm sure I can afford to roll some up for local Honour Guards, (interest on that debt)

Paul "Fitz" Jones
February 3, 2003, 11:43 PM
General Thompson of WW1 fame wanted a trench clearing gun so the 45acp was in essence a cut off 30-06 casing with a 45 caliber bullet in it that became known as the Tommy gun The 45acp blanks are made from thinner civilian 30-06 brass and Remington is the thinnest brass made that would star crimp the easiest for those who want them as 30-06 or 45acp blanks.

I appreciated the post before this one.

Thanks from John Paul

February 6, 2003, 06:23 AM
What kind of powder is normaly used in blanks. I asume it's difrant in pistols then rifles. I'd have no idea where to start. Maybe looking in a reloading manual for that caliber and pic a load for the lightes bullet and start from there.

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