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gotigers
October 31, 2011, 08:30 AM
I am looking for some cheap 9mm bulk ammo for plinking and practice. I shoot local 3 gun and other matches. The cost of ammo hurts the more i shoot. I have found some cheap .223 for the AR, now i need to find some cheap 9mm. I like brass, but i am having a hard time beating the wally world price for brass. I can get wally world federal 100 round bulk box for under $20, 20 cents per round. After shipping i can't find any bulk brass online that beats it.

My question: How is the steel cased 9mm? Silver Bear, Brown Bear, Wolf, etc? I shoot Wolf .223 without issue, but have no experience with it in 9mm.

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kk0g
October 31, 2011, 08:41 AM
You're shooting 3 gun matches and still buying factory ammo!?!? I'm sure you've probably heard it before but start reloading man!

To answer your question I've shot all the 9mm steel cased ammo and Tulammo also in my XDm with zero issues, works just fine.

Go to ammoseek.com to find who has the cheapest ammo. It's a search engine that you can input caliber, bullet weight etc.

ku4hx
October 31, 2011, 09:10 AM
Ammo Engine; hundreds of sources.

http://www.ammoengine.com/find/ammo/9mm

But for what you're likely paying for factory to practice and shoot three-gun you might want to consider a minimal hand loading setup.

97guns
October 31, 2011, 09:25 AM
i have 3700 rounds of russian 9mm coming from sportmans guide for $7.39 a box delivered to my door.

beatledog7
October 31, 2011, 09:59 AM
This thread convinced me to buy a set of 9mm dies.

Dogguy
October 31, 2011, 12:45 PM
I like Brown Bear at whatever is the cheapest price you can get it. My favorite 9mm range ammo is Geco but Geco has been kind of hard to find lately. Tried Brown Bear and it's more than acceptable. Feeds perfectly in all my Glock and SIGs. Buy it cheap and stack it deep.

97guns
October 31, 2011, 01:05 PM
do the math on this stuff, theres a free shipping coupon also.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/1000-rds-9-mm-luger-115-gr-full-metal-jacket-bi-metal-ammo.aspx?a=878462

Roverboy
October 31, 2011, 01:34 PM
Just as soon as I get done with the "honey do" list I will start loading 500 rounds of 9mm later today.

Fishslayer
October 31, 2011, 01:52 PM
You're shooting 3 gun matches and still buying factory ammo!?!? I'm sure you've probably heard it before but start reloading man!



There's a reason you've heard it before and will hear it again, at least until you reach Jerry Miculek levels and have forklifts stacking pallets of sponsors' ammo in yer driveway! :D



do the math on this stuff, theres a free shipping coupon also.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/c....aspx?a=878462


Ummm... yeah... I'm gonna go ahead & take a pass on that... M'kay? ;)

gotigers
October 31, 2011, 02:47 PM
Roverboy: What are gonna charge for it and shipping? lol.

How much time does it take to load 500 rounds with your loader?

What did your reloader set up cost?

I haven't thought about reloading and i am not sure if i want to. I guess i can toss the idea around and punch in some numbers on cost.

Get R Done Guns
October 31, 2011, 02:53 PM
Are you going to be able to catch all of your brass? If not reloading is pointless. Huge time involvement and if you can't catch most every piece you are not really saving money.

Dogguy
October 31, 2011, 03:00 PM
Reloading is something you have to really like to do. Yeah, you save money doing it. But you have to make an investment up front in equipment and materials, then you have to invest a considerable amount of time in the actual process. And, as Get R Done Guns points out, you also have to take the time after every range session to root around for your spent cases (or shoot revolver only). I've reloaded before and I did not like doing it. I'm an old guy now, it hurts my back to bend over picking up stuff off the ground and I ain't got that much time left anyway.

Feanor
October 31, 2011, 09:47 PM
I am looking for some cheap 9mm bulk ammo for plinking and practice. I shoot local 3 gun and other matches. The cost of ammo hurts the more i shoot. I have found some cheap .223 for the AR, now i need to find some cheap 9mm. I like brass, but i am having a hard time beating the wally world price for brass. I can get wally world federal 100 round bulk box for under $20, 20 cents per round. After shipping i can\'t find any bulk brass online that beats it.

My question: How is the steel cased 9mm? Silver Bear, Brown Bear, Wolf, etc? I shoot Wolf .223 without issue, but have no experience with it in 9mm.

They are selling Winchester 124 gr 9mm ball(Nato)everywhere on line for about $120.00 a case, or less. I would go that route before committing an ongoing budget to cheap steel cased ammo.

keenshooter
November 1, 2011, 05:13 AM
Agulia isn't bad $9 a box brass. I've shoot thousands of rounds of tula steel 9mm only had a few problems with it not my favorite round but they work.

ku4hx
November 1, 2011, 06:40 AM
I've been reloading and casting boolits since 1970 and at the time I got the bulk of my gear prices were low, factory fodder was junk and reloading saved a lot of money. Not to mention the advantage of custom made high quality ammo. And for obsolete weaponry it may be your sole source of ammo. Then there's the customization aspect.

I fire between 10,000 - 15,000 rounds per year (average over the years) so I've loaded my share. But hand loading is a hobby and a labor of love. Being a hobby like say, golf, there's no way you can justify costs. It's what you do that gives you pleasure and a sense of accomplishment among other things. It's like the Rolls Royce salesman told the prospective buyer, "If you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it."

Over the last few years, mostly because of rising ammo costs, several people have approached me about them getting into hand loading. I sit down with them, get an idea of what they want to do and calculate the equipment and material cost to load their first 100 rounds. The last time I did this was with my son-in-law and he was looking at $6.00 per final loaded rifle round. He simply didn't shoot enough to make it anywhere near a reasonable deal. $300 - $400 can buy the occasional deer hunter a good bit of ammo. And it doesn't take you away from your wife and 5yo son either. There is such as thing as "one hobby too many".

But hey, hand loading and casting are wonderful hobbies. And for me it's a craftsmanship adventure too. So if you got the cash, the place to do the deed and time to learn the craft safely then go for it. Just beware, once you fire your first batch of ultra reliable and accurate stuff you're going to be hooked for life. Catalogs will start showing up at your house, you'll start to get backaches from bending and stooping to pick up brass, any brass, and your wallet will be thinner and a good bit lighter. Which I feel is just therapy for that aching back.

gunnutery
November 1, 2011, 09:58 AM
Check out cheaperthandirt.com and look for the BVAC 1000 round lots, last I saw it was $180.

dsb1829
November 1, 2011, 01:09 PM
Some good advice in here on the reloading side. IMO 9mm is not a round that saves much money at the reloading bench. I have done the math many times over the last year and rifle ammo, 45 colt, and 10mm are the only rounds that would quickly recoup the investment in a reloading setup for me. So for now I continue to buy off the shelf or online.

Back to the OP's question...
Cheaper than Dirt is hard to beat online (but some can)
I would recommend finding out who moves a lot of guns and ammo within driving distance. I have 2 shops that do volume and even wholesale to other shops here in N.AL. They are substantially cheaper than online, especially on bulk ammo.

mgmorden
November 1, 2011, 02:00 PM
Some good advice in here on the reloading side. IMO 9mm is not a round that saves much money at the reloading bench.

Not the experience I've had. Even the cheapest 9mm brass ammo runs about $9.50 per box of 50.

Now, looking at reload costs:

$15 for a lb of Titegroup. That'll do about 1400 rounds of 9mm.
$79 for 1000 Precision Delta FMJ's.
$30 for 1000 CCI Primers
Normally I reuse or get range pickup brass, but I'm going to assume actually buying used brass which runs about $30 per 1000.

So for a box of 50:
$0.54 powder
$1.50 primers
$3.95 bullets
$1.50 brass

Total for 50 rounds: $7.49. That's $2 per box saved when using pretty high quality stuff AND buying once-fired brass. If you do save your brass then drop the cost down to around $6 per 50.

Now, lets go really cheapskate:

8lb Alliant Promo Powder $90 (will do about 12,000 rounds)
125gr Bayout Bullets $67/1000
Wolf Primers $22.50 per 1000
Brass - reuse or range pickup

$0.38 Powder + $3.35 bullets + $1.13 primers = $4.86 per box of 50.

Now you're approaching half the price of factory ammo. I'll readily admit that 9mm doesn't show as much of a savings compared to some other rounds, but it's still plenty enough to be economically wise. Trust me, you'll find VERY few competition shooters (besides sponsored guys getting it for free) who shoot factory ammunition. Heck even the guys who are sponsored tend to use tailored loads from places like Atlanta Arms simple due to the fact that a lot of the mass-produced factory stuff tends to be rather inconsistent.

dsb1829
November 2, 2011, 01:32 PM
I wasn't saying that reloading doesn't save money in 9mm, moreso that it would take a lot of rounds to recoup the cost of a loading setup. 10mm and 45 colt definitely have my attention though :)

97guns
November 2, 2011, 02:03 PM
went to the range yesterday, the rangemaster calls cease fire and tells me "you guys must be rich". i ask why and he says because you havn't run out of ammo yet. i am rich but none the less that was quite the compliment. the moral of the story is buy it cheap and stack it deep and that i am rich.

LCPor9mm
November 2, 2011, 03:24 PM
Check out cheaperthandirt.com and look for the BVAC 1000 round lots, last I saw it was $180.

I like (or did like) BVAC. That said the last time I shot my favorite load .223 BVAC 69 grn HPBT one spent casing came out of my bolt gun in two pieces.
Not sure about their quality any more.

REL1203
November 2, 2011, 04:17 PM
I reload around 10,000 rounds of 9mm a year, 4k or so of 147g competition loads, and the rest being 124g practice/plinking loads, and over the course of the year, I save a huge amount just on 9mm. I shoot 2gun and IDPA almost every weekend.
Where you really start saving money is when you start loading 45ACP, 45COLT, 357Mag, ect, those save a ton of money. When you get into high dollar rifle stuff, you save even more, but really if you are shooting 2gun often, get a turret or a progressive and you will see the savings sooner or later and you will be happy.

chrome_austex
November 2, 2011, 04:45 PM
I can't really beat WWB $10/50 prices for 9mm w/o reloading, but I do have an intermitten source for high quality Dynamit Nobel 124gr FMJ at very close to WWB prices.

Ammo that I buy, I buy with an eye for nice once-fired brass to feed my reloading habit.

dacotah
November 2, 2011, 07:23 PM
I've found good prices on bulkammo.com They have 500 rounds of Wolf for $85 http://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-9mm-ammo-9mm115grfmjwolfmcwpa-500

J_McLeod
November 2, 2011, 08:55 PM
Check out www.surplusammo.com or www.aimsurplus.com

chris in va
November 2, 2011, 10:36 PM
I know the thread took an access road, but if you do decide to start reloading, be sure to just get minimum equipment for starters. Heck, I'm still using my Lee Hand Press after thousands of rounds. Let's me resize while I curse the Colts game.

Fishslayer
November 3, 2011, 12:01 AM
Are you going to be able to catch all of your brass? If not reloading is pointless. Huge time involvement and if you can't catch most every piece you are not really saving money.

I see you sell ammo...:rolleyes:

I started out buying used brass (9mm is dirt cheap) & scrounging at the range. Now I don't have to buy brass. I've been at it less than three years & don't have to buy brass anymore. I count my brass cost as "$0."

Reloaders are still a minority and there's plenty of brass to pick up.

My reloading setup cost me less than $300 grand total OTD ready to roll. Loading .45ACP during the Great Ammo Drought paid for it pretty quickly.

Reloading 9mm will take a bit longer but the OP will have good quality ammo & not have to deal with steel & bimetal ..ummm.... "stuff."

medalguy
November 3, 2011, 12:17 AM
If you want to save money on 9mm you really need to cast bullets or buy cast. I don't cast 9 but I bet you could cast them for .02 each, I can buy primers for $15 per K, brass is so plentiful I'd never buy 9mm, and in fact I give flat rate boxes of it away because I have so much. Powder is about .005 per round. Total to reload 9mm? 4 cents each, $2 per box of 50.

Personally I use Berry's plated FMJ and my cost for 9mm is .10 each or $5 per box for excellent ammo.

chicharrones
November 3, 2011, 09:03 AM
I've been reloading and casting boolits since 1970 and at the time I got the bulk of my gear prices were low, factory fodder was junk and reloading saved a lot of money. Not to mention the advantage of custom made high quality ammo. And for obsolete weaponry it may be your sole source of ammo. Then there's the customization aspect.

I fire between 10,000 - 15,000 rounds per year (average over the years) so I've loaded my share. But hand loading is a hobby and a labor of love. Being a hobby like say, golf, there's no way you can justify costs. It's what you do that gives you pleasure and a sense of accomplishment among other things. It's like the Rolls Royce salesman told the prospective buyer, "If you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it."

Over the last few years, mostly because of rising ammo costs, several people have approached me about them getting into hand loading. I sit down with them, get an idea of what they want to do and calculate the equipment and material cost to load their first 100 rounds. The last time I did this was with my son-in-law and he was looking at $6.00 per final loaded rifle round. He simply didn't shoot enough to make it anywhere near a reasonable deal. $300 - $400 can buy the occasional deer hunter a good bit of ammo. And it doesn't take you away from your wife and 5yo son either. There is such as thing as "one hobby too many".

But hey, hand loading and casting are wonderful hobbies. And for me it's a craftsmanship adventure too. So if you got the cash, the place to do the deed and time to learn the craft safely then go for it. Just beware, once you fire your first batch of ultra reliable and accurate stuff you're going to be hooked for life. Catalogs will start showing up at your house, you'll start to get backaches from bending and stooping to pick up brass, any brass, and your wallet will be thinner and a good bit lighter. Which I feel is just therapy for that aching back.

Good post. Someday, I can foresee me having the time to get into loading my own. When the kids are all grown it will give me something to fill my extra time. Until then, I will pay the extra premium of someone else making my ammo.

chicharrones
November 3, 2011, 09:06 AM
If you want to save money on 9mm you really need to cast bullets or buy cast. I don't cast 9 but I bet you could cast them for .02 each, I can buy primers for $15 per K, brass is so plentiful I'd never buy 9mm, and in fact I give flat rate boxes of it away because I have so much. Powder is about .005 per round. Total to reload 9mm? 4 cents each, $2 per box of 50.

Personally I use Berry's plated FMJ and my cost for 9mm is .10 each or $5 per box for excellent ammo.

Speaking of lead bullets out of a 9mm, how many rounds can you put down the tube before leading becomes an issue?

I've been given cast lead 9mm reloaded by a friend and that stuff leads up my barrel BAD in less than a box of ammo. I've never spent so much time getting lead out of a barrel before. :(

rellascout
November 3, 2011, 09:14 AM
Originally Posted by ku4hx
I've been reloading and casting boolits since 1970 and at the time I got the bulk of my gear prices were low, factory fodder was junk and reloading saved a lot of money. Not to mention the advantage of custom made high quality ammo. And for obsolete weaponry it may be your sole source of ammo. Then there's the customization aspect.

I fire between 10,000 - 15,000 rounds per year (average over the years) so I've loaded my share. But hand loading is a hobby and a labor of love. Being a hobby like say, golf, there's no way you can justify costs. It's what you do that gives you pleasure and a sense of accomplishment among other things. It's like the Rolls Royce salesman told the prospective buyer, "If you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it."

Over the last few years, mostly because of rising ammo costs, several people have approached me about them getting into hand loading. I sit down with them, get an idea of what they want to do and calculate the equipment and material cost to load their first 100 rounds. The last time I did this was with my son-in-law and he was looking at $6.00 per final loaded rifle round. He simply didn't shoot enough to make it anywhere near a reasonable deal. $300 - $400 can buy the occasional deer hunter a good bit of ammo. And it doesn't take you away from your wife and 5yo son either. There is such as thing as "one hobby too many".

But hey, hand loading and casting are wonderful hobbies. And for me it's a craftsmanship adventure too. So if you got the cash, the place to do the deed and time to learn the craft safely then go for it. Just beware, once you fire your first batch of ultra reliable and accurate stuff you're going to be hooked for life. Catalogs will start showing up at your house, you'll start to get backaches from bending and stooping to pick up brass, any brass, and your wallet will be thinner and a good bit lighter. Which I feel is just therapy for that aching back.



+100000000000000

Well said!

I reload around 10,000 rounds of 9mm a year, 4k or so of 147g competition loads, and the rest being 124g practice/plinking loads, and over the course of the year, I save a huge amount just on 9mm. I shoot 2gun and IDPA almost every weekend.
Where you really start saving money is when you start loading 45ACP, 45COLT, 357Mag, ect, those save a ton of money. When you get into high dollar rifle stuff, you save even more, but really if you are shooting 2gun often, get a turret or a progressive and you will see the savings sooner or later and you will be happy.

I think what other people are saying is that unless you are a high round count shooter 9mm simply does not yield the savings to justify the time and the upfront expense. I personally shoot 9mm and 45 ACP. I do not have the room to properly setup a re-loading station so I buy ammo in bulk.

I can find high quality ammo like RWS which costs me about $190 per 1000 for 124gr and $350 for ACP1000 rounds 230gr 45 delivered.

One of the best points that has been brought up in this thread is that reloading is a hobby as much or more than it is a way to save money. You have to like the process or it becomes work. For many people the minute it becomes work the savings comes at too high a cost. That cost is not necessarily a monetary one.

ElrodCod
November 3, 2011, 09:21 AM
Check out aim surplus. I bought 1500 rounds of Aguila 124 gr. hardball for $317 & change delivered.

rellascout
November 3, 2011, 09:48 AM
I like Dan's Ammo. Dan's a great guy and is close enough to me so shipping is cheap. http://www.dansammo.com/ammo.asp

9 mm 124 gr FMJ 1000rds CASE $219.99 9MM 124 gr full metal jacket 1,180fps 1000rds. 20bxs per case.

And

Weapons world who has $10 shipping. http://www.weaponsworld.com/ammunition.html?manufacturer=132

RWS $209

theglockside
November 3, 2011, 12:00 PM
Honestly Walmart is the cheapest place I find ammo anywere....kinda sad. Federail FMJ brass casings 100 packs are 20 bucks. You could go with the tul if your using a glock. but if its a finiky gun like a kel tec you need better stuff.

Dr.Rob
November 3, 2011, 07:52 PM
For a while 9mm was so cheap it wasn't cost effective (factoring in reloading time) to run a press.

Ammo prices have swung back up, so I might start reloading 9mm again, I still have a bunch of bullets.

Fishslayer
November 3, 2011, 08:27 PM
I think a lot of people have already forgotten The Great Ammo Drought. For about a year or so the only people that HAD any ammo were reloaders. Remember the empty Walmart shelves?

It was grab what ya could where ya could. I get depressed when I think of all the FMJ range plinker .45ACP I have stashed at 2008/2009 prices...:banghead:

97guns
November 3, 2011, 08:32 PM
im still sitting on cases of X39 that i paid $79 for and .223 that im in for $99

buy it cheap and stack it deep

reloader-1
November 4, 2011, 11:46 AM
In all of the calculations for reloading, almost no one ever calculates time.

My time is worth something to me. I could be sleeping/eating/shooting/watching tv/playing sports/hanging out with friends etc. I work full-time, which leaves me with not much time after work to do all the things I want, and weekend time needs to divided among shooting/family/etc.

So yes, I can reload (I was actually pretty into it for a while, hence my username), but SHOULD I reload? Calculating 100 rds/hr (which is pretty darn fast on a single stage), I would save either $4 or $10 an hour using mgmorden's cost breakdown.

My hourly salary is well north of that, and I still think I'm underpaid. Why would I value my scarce free time at less than my work wage?

I don't reload, I buy cheap ($180/1000rds 9mm) and enjoy my time for other things.

Fishslayer
November 4, 2011, 03:34 PM
In all of the calculations for reloading, almost no one ever calculates time.


So by your logic I should count my fishing time into my cost per pound of fish?

Like fishing, reloading itself is a hobby. I just get ammo instead of filets. :D

Unlike fishing though, my ammo is cheaper than if I went & bought it at the store. ;)

chicharrones
November 4, 2011, 03:56 PM
I think a lot of people have already forgotten The Great Ammo Drought. For about a year or so the only people that HAD any ammo were reloaders. Remember the empty Walmart shelves?

I only noticed the scarcity of .380 ACP then. Everything else I could find on the net if I couldn't find it in a local store.

reloader-1
November 4, 2011, 04:56 PM
So by your logic I should count my fishing time into my cost per pound of fish?

Like fishing, reloading itself is a hobby. I just get ammo instead of filets.

Unlike fishing though, my ammo is cheaper than if I went & bought it at the store.

Correct - if reloading is a hobby, then all arguments fly out the window. A hobby is something that almost never "pays for itself", but it does so in satisfaction.

That being said, for many of us, shooting is our hobby, and reloading is used as a way of lowering costs, which I disagree with. If you want to reload 9mm, go ahead - but you are probably doing it because you want to, and you enjoy it.

tahunua001
November 4, 2011, 06:41 PM
I generally pay extra for lake city/ATK ammo but I do make exceptions for sellier and bellot.

USA ammo usually runs the cheapest as it's lake city reloads but reliability is supposed to be up to milspec standards. for 20 a box though that's hard to beat

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