Big Bore 44 Special for self defense.


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azgunner
October 31, 2011, 09:42 AM
How many folks are carriers of the big 44? I carry a Taurus 431 and a Rossi 720C. I love both weapons. They balance well,carry well, and they shoot to point of aim. And I know if I do my part, the 200 grainer Gold Dots will do theirs if I need to shoot.

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pendennis
October 31, 2011, 09:57 AM
I alternate between a S&W Model 65 and a Model 696. The 696 is a good shooting .44 Special, and probably one of the best ideas ever to come out of S&W. My load for the 696 is the Wichester 200gr STHP.

calaverasslim
October 31, 2011, 10:46 AM
I carry the Charter Arms , 3", 44 special with either GDHP or STHP. I just got a pair of Taurus 441's one with a 3" and one with a 4" and plan on carrying them.

44 special is my favorite caliber and why shouldn't we carry a 44. It does the job.

PapaG
October 31, 2011, 11:36 AM
A 4" 624, an original Charter Bulldog, and a Rossi 720, all 44 specials. The Smith is very accurate but large. The Bulldog is light, compact and fine for 10-15 yard encounters (which I hope never to have) and the Rossi is fairly heavy and I find the adjustable sights to be clothes snaggers. Bottom line, for carry, the Bulldog and JHPs. For the farm, just bushwhacking around, the Smith. For the nightstand, the Rossi.

Lucky Derby
October 31, 2011, 11:42 AM
I have been known to carry a 696, a 624, and a 29 loaded with specials from time to time.

waidmann
October 31, 2011, 11:58 AM
S&W 21-4 during big coat days. Often a Charter .44 DAO at other times. Have owned Taurus and Rossi previously. Would recommend Taurus over Rossi.

WC145
October 31, 2011, 12:48 PM
I'm wearing this Mag-na-port custom Charter Arms right now. Great little gun, light and handy, perfect for up close and personal work. I keep it loaded with 200gr GDHPs.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-fwNb4qksb7Q/Tq17sZQcbfI/AAAAAAAADyk/-op1cBjspnE/s800/SDC11704.JPG
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-hk6acQGdbdA/Tq17tZizwFI/AAAAAAAADys/FYJ6_jb2lJo/s720/SDC11706.JPG

cochise
October 31, 2011, 01:43 PM
.44 spcl = low flash, low recoil, lower blast noise, but a big bullet, big performance, big fun

4thHorseman
October 31, 2011, 03:39 PM
I love the 44 special, just love the caliber and revolver. I have a S&W 396 Night Guard. Unfortunately it has been back to S&W more times than I have taken it to the range for cylinder going out of time. The fourth time it was back for the same problem in six months, the S&W rep tried to get me to swap it for another model or give me my money back. I told him I wanted it fixed and returned. He was very nice about it. JMHO :)

FIVETWOSEVEN
October 31, 2011, 03:41 PM
WC145, how do you aim your CCW? Or do you just point it?

WC145
October 31, 2011, 04:16 PM
Point and shoot or stick it in and shoot. I'm not sure of Mag-naport's thinking back in the late 70's when these guns were made but I assume the idea was that they'd be used for fast, close self defense situations. That's my take on the design.

josephbw
October 31, 2011, 04:22 PM
Has anyone shot a short (2-3") ported 44 Mag? I was wondering about the recoil on one compared to the 44 SPL. I've been looking for a 44 Mag that I can afford, but haven't found one yet. :uhoh:

DaleCooper51
October 31, 2011, 05:23 PM
I have a 696 and 624 that I tote around on a regular basis.

I always shoot my 240 grain hard cast lead reloads from them.

Tony_the_tiger
October 31, 2011, 05:52 PM
I carry a S&W 296 with Corbon 200 gr DPX and Crimson Trace LG-306 grips in a Mika pocket holster and sometimes a Lobo gunleather IWB rig.

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae269/kiwirat33/ctlight.jpg

Frank V
October 31, 2011, 06:03 PM
josephbw
I've shot a full size S&W 29 4" with .44 Mags. that a friend owned. I couldn't tell much difference in recoil between the before & after gun. I'd known him a long time & he had this gun a long time I shot it numerous times with him. The only real difference I noticed was a huge increase in noise. If you held the gun at waist level near your body, you'd also get a push of warm gas in your face. I didn't like it.
I also had for a short time a Taurus Tracker. It was a ported 4". I thought I wanted to try a medium frame .44 Mag to carry. I found I wasn't using it much & sold it about a year after I bought it. It was loud with factory ammo too. I'm not really sure compensated guns work all that well till you start running them to the red line. Aside from the "ribber grips" & the porting which I found I really disliked, it was a good gun. With wooden stocks & without the porting, I'd have another.

I don't think I'd ever have another ported gun for myself. Others may disagree?
Frank

WC145
October 31, 2011, 06:13 PM
Has anyone shot a short (2-3") ported 44 Mag? I was wondering about the recoil on one compared to the 44 SPL. I've been looking for a 44 Mag that I can afford, but haven't found one yet. :uhoh:
I've got a Mag-na-port M29 3" with their "QuadPort" porting. It makes full house .44mags quite manageable. Recoil is definitely less than my friend's 6" Redhawk, I can pull some decent double and triple taps with it. I haven't tried any .44spl ammo in it so I can't speak for the difference.

Owen Sparks
November 1, 2011, 12:55 AM
How do you aim that thing with no front sight? What if you had to make a head shot in a hostage situation?

StrawHat
November 1, 2011, 06:00 AM
My brother carries a 44 Charter. One of the older ones. I am not a 44 fan so my carry piece is a 45 ACP revolver. Ballistically, just more of the same.

WC145
November 1, 2011, 07:54 AM
How do you aim that thing with no front sight? What if you had to make a head shot in a hostage situation?
For the hostage's sake, I hope I'm standing pretty close.:rolleyes:

Obviously this is a pocket/ankle/back up gun made for personal defense at spitting distance and closer, not for taking head shots in hostage situations.
If I'm off duty and find myself in that situation I guess I'll be holding my fire until back up arrives with a more appropriate gun for that shot. Or I'll excuse myself and go out to my vehicle, retrieve the 1911 from my bag, go back and then shoot the bad guy in the head.

4thHorseman
November 1, 2011, 08:28 AM
The 44 special is a great caliber I think. I have a S&W 396 Night Guard and absolutely love it.

Tallinar
November 1, 2011, 11:44 AM
I carry a New Vaquero in .44 special.

EMC45
November 1, 2011, 01:09 PM
I have a Taurus 431 and enjoy it.

chutestrate
November 1, 2011, 01:25 PM
I have a ported 3 inch 44 mag, and the porting makes a big difference in the recoil, IMO. With 44 specials no difference. I would rather shoot a hot 44 special anyway.

mavracer
November 1, 2011, 02:12 PM
I have a Charter Arms Bulldog DAO, A Smith 3" 696 and a Sheriff's Vaquero and carry one or the other quite often. My carry ammo of choice is Georgia Arms 200gr golddots.

kwhi43@kc.rr.com
November 1, 2011, 04:44 PM
It doesn't get any better than this. My old Charter Arms, 200 gr Buffalo Bore
Wadcutters at 925 fps Then 200 gr. Gold Dots for reload.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o127/prizzel/CopyofCharter44-horz.jpg

Drail
November 1, 2011, 04:58 PM
kwhi43, you have the exact same rig and ammo loading I use. I thought I was the only one. Those wadcutters are pretty impressive aren't they?

kwhi43@kc.rr.com
November 1, 2011, 05:14 PM
Ahhhh, YES, They are. The only other thing I thought about, and I don't
know if it's a good idea or not is to load the gun with every other chamber
a Gold Dot. If one wouldn't get em, the other would.

Old Fuff
November 1, 2011, 05:30 PM
On those occasions when I don't feel confortable with a .38, I carry my Taurus 445 (5-shot/.44 Spec./2" Bbl.) Which I much prefer to the .357 Magnum in a snubby configuration. As they say, it doesn't need to expand if it starts out big in the first place. ;)

Guillermo
November 1, 2011, 05:35 PM
it doesn't need to expand if it starts out big in the first place.

:cuss:
must stay highroad
must stay highroad
must stay highroad

Old Fuff
November 1, 2011, 07:08 PM
must stay highroad

Oh come now... Since when? :evil: :D

Guillermo
November 1, 2011, 07:56 PM
Since when?

LOL!

you got me :neener:

Leathermarshmallow
November 1, 2011, 09:32 PM
My Charter Arms .44 bulldog has become my wife's favorite revolver. It is what she would reach for when things go bump in the night.

Owen Sparks
November 2, 2011, 12:31 AM
I have tested a variety of .44 Special loads and the one that seems most likely to expand reliably is the 200 grain Gold Dot bullet made specifically for this caliber.

kwhi43@kc.rr.com
November 2, 2011, 08:33 AM
That's what bothers me, and why I won't bet my life on it. "Most likely"
My first 5 shots will be with full wadcutters.

Frank V
November 2, 2011, 01:50 PM
kwhi43
Those Buffalo Bore wadcutters look & sound awsome. I'm looking for some, I think they'd be great to carry in the .44.
Frank

RX-178
November 2, 2011, 02:28 PM
I don't carry one, in fact I don't even own a .44spl (or a .44 mag that I could load with .44spl), but I have absolutely no doubt that it's a great round for self defense, and don't hesitate to recommend it to anyone who asks me for advice about it.

Drail
November 2, 2011, 11:37 PM
My own testing has convinced that the Gold Dot HP really does perform as advertised. I have not yet had one fail to expand fully even at 800 fps in handloads shot from a Charter Bulldog. But those full wadcutters go through stuff like a Freightliner. There may not be deep penetration but they certainly dump ALL their energy in the target and the sharp corners tear stuff up and smash bones. You're not going to make a quick reload with them though. Loading them into a revolver is like installing a piston in a cylinder block.

kwhi43@kc.rr.com
November 3, 2011, 12:21 PM
Full wadcutters at 950 fps very hard cast will penterate much more than
a Gold Dot at 800 fps that has expanded. Reloads? I use Gold Dot if I need
another five.

bubba15301
November 3, 2011, 06:27 PM
i carry a ruger vaquero in 44/40

Drail
November 3, 2011, 10:11 PM
Now that's an old school cartridge. But a good one.

Dave T
November 3, 2011, 10:46 PM
kwhi43,

That is an exceptionally clean looking 3" Bulldog. Makes me wish I still had the one I bought when they first came out. I applaud your choice of the BB full wadcutter too. An impressive combination.

Dave

Maia007
November 3, 2011, 11:06 PM
Old Fuff......once again, you've nailed it.

Frank V
November 4, 2011, 01:11 PM
Bubba15301

I like the .44-40 too, it's also known as the .44WCF. It's easy to get a 200gr bullet to just over 800fps.
Fine CTG.
Frank

Gordon
November 4, 2011, 08:45 PM
In a CCW I have come to the conclusion that .38spl. is a better option- for my needs. I recently tested my S&W 296 and my recently acquired 1st gen Charter Bulldog .44spl. both with Win Silvertip 200 grain . I also brought my Colt Officer's Lt weight .45acp and a Glock 26. Lastly my Colt Agent and an S&W flatlatch model 37.
The .44spls produced 4" 15 yard groups and 10" 25 yard groups off hand, The .45acp Officer's Lt wight cut that almost in half and the recoil was about the same as the .44s which is fierce enough to slightly effect repeat hits for me. The Glock 26 9mm shot about the the same as the .44s at 15 yards but somewhat tighter at 25 yards. The rapidity of fire was about twice as much however.
The .38 snubs produced 3" 15 yard groups with the Colt Agent doing it better- closer to 2" .The 25 yard groups were 5-7" and I could shoot the Agent pretty quickly.
What this means for me is the ability to take a head shot with the .38s pretty surely while the .44spls were about 60% for me . The .45acp could do it too. The 9mm mini Glock was about 75% in the brain at 15 yards. Also the 25yard bunny shot is important to me and only the Agent was reasonable for that shot. Note my Detective special shoots into 4"at 25 yards with 158 Rem +p ammo! A bunny getter oer could take a deer if it had too! The .44s have the power, with maybe a triffle too much recoil , but I'll take the faster and better .38 spl accuracy which allows head shots.....

weregunner
November 4, 2011, 11:38 PM
Yes sir, gotta love the .44 Special.

Own 7 Tauri with that caliber. 3 inch-4inch barreled Taurus 431s and 441s.

The 5 shot revolvers give little up and I can do without the 6th shot.
Since extra ammo is carried on HKS CA-44 speedloaders , no problems.

Winchester Silvertips in .44 Special have had a good real world documented record.

I also like the Gold Dots.

BVAC and Georgia Arms can make up a goodly number of rounds for practice or defense. Granted, the all lead semi-wadcutters do not expand well, but semi-wadcutters are going to cause a more traumatic wound than round nosed ammo.

Bad things are going to happen to anyone who gets in a 240gr. bullet. Even at .44 Special velocities.

The 5 shot revolver is the same size as a 6 shot .38 Special revolver. That makes it easier for short people like me to be able to carry it for CCW or for field use.

Don't get me wrong. I like the .38 Special and .357 magnum rounds. Got a bunch of those as well. It 's just that there is something comforting about big old slug going down range that is fun for practice and or for defense.

There is no way I can pack a 6 shot .44 magnum N frame sized gun. Never could. Nor a N framed 6 shot .44 Special. I do admire the S&W 624 though.

FoMoGo
November 5, 2011, 02:26 AM
I have a pair of Taurus 445s, one blued one stainless, that I carry quite often.
The 200 gr Gold Dots are my preferred defensive load.

Has anyone shot a short (2-3") ported 44 Mag? I was wondering about the recoil on one compared to the 44 SPL. I've been looking for a 44 Mag that I can afford, but haven't found one yet. :uhoh:
This isn't magnaported, but it is my Astra Terminator .44 Magnum loaded with 240 gr WWB ammo.
Not bad at all to shoot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og-6nxJTt04


Jim

Arcticfox
November 5, 2011, 02:26 AM
Smith 696 is the best! Tauarus Tracker snub nose is a good runner up, and a great hiking companion.

Arcticfox
November 5, 2011, 02:28 AM
I do admire the S&W 624 though.


Best trigger I ever felt was a 624. :)

JERRY
November 5, 2011, 08:50 AM
oh snap! im gonna play too!

Rossi 720 .44spl with a S&W 640-1 .357mag
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff256/JerryS357/102_8975.jpg

business ends.
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff256/JerryS357/102_8978.jpg

lining them up by the top strap, the .44spl isnt much bigger, and a whole lot easier to shoot.
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff256/JerryS357/102_8976.jpg

BTW, if you want the best anti personnel, best self defensive .44spl round....look at Buffalo Bore's 190gr. LHP .44spl @ 1,150 fps. its the "fbi load" of .44spls. sorry C.A. youre not built hardy enough for it.

surfinUSA
November 5, 2011, 12:15 PM
I really don't understand why the 44 special isn't more popular (other than ammo cost). It and the 45 Colt have been around forever, both can be loaded much hotter than from the factory. It also has very similar ballistics to the 45 ACP (which is substantially cheaper) but in a revolver.

Frank V
November 6, 2011, 10:22 AM
One reason it's not more popular I think is that the factory has never,to my knowledge, loaded it to near it's potentiol. It's always been a handloaders ctg if you wanted high performance.
Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, & possibly WWSilvertip, & Speer Gold Dot, & possibly a few others, are challanging that, but in some areas just try to find some.
Thanks.
Frank

gscrasher
November 6, 2011, 07:58 PM
I like the .44 sp a lot. Here is an interesting essay comparing snubs in .44 sp and .357 mag.

http://www.snubnose.info/docs/44v357.htm

CSA 357
November 6, 2011, 09:15 PM
I have a 3 inch 624 with my handloads it is a great carry gun and im sure it will stop a man in his tracks

Antihero
November 7, 2011, 12:34 AM
Has anyone shot a short (2-3") ported 44 Mag? I was wondering about the recoil on one compared to the 44 SPL. I've been looking for a 44 Mag that I can afford, but haven't found one yet.

I had a Taurus 44c for awhile. The recoil especially with the ribber grips and porting wasnt bad at all. The cylinder was too short for a lot of the 320gr that i liked though and i ended up selling it to my father.

Monster Zero
November 7, 2011, 08:27 AM
Cool. What kinda grips are those?

Frank V
November 7, 2011, 11:28 AM
The "Ribber grips" are rubber with ribs on them that will lay down in your hand when you grip the gun. They are also soft enough that you can compress them a bit with a good firm hold.
I don't like rubber stocks on a handgun for several reasons. The primary one is as you bend over if you are carrying under a vest or coat, the garment will ride up. The rubber stocks catch & cling to the garment, & when you straighten back up they stay clinging & won't let the garment fall back naturally. Often it's enough to expose your gun, a huge no no when carrying concealed.
I don't like the way you can't shift your gun easily either if you are making a speed draw & don't quite get the best grip. With wood, you can adjust your grip just a bit & have the grip you like.
It's also hard to get your thumb between your shirt & gun for the draw as the rubber clings to your shirt & whatever it touches.
That's me, & lots of folks do like rubber. I prefer wood.
Frank

weregunner
November 7, 2011, 02:31 PM
gscrasher, nice link! Very informative and a great site.

Kosh75287
November 7, 2011, 08:41 PM
Slightly more bullet slightly less velocity than a .45 ACP, which has puh-LENTY of stopping power. ALL of the factory loads have good to excellent terminal performance, so that makes it more a question of " What load does the shooter hit best with?". I prefer a large-bore auto, but I would NOT feel unarmed with a well set up .44 Special.

JERRY
November 8, 2011, 07:25 AM
WC145, i am not a bulldog fan having been burned by two of them in the 80s....but i like what you had done to yours! if i could ever find a c.a. bulldog that wasnt a dog id be all over it, but twice i lost money on them back to back......would need a buddy looking to sell one so i could shoot it first before plunking down my money again.

WC145
November 8, 2011, 10:40 AM
WC145, i am not a bulldog fan having been burned by two of them in the 80s....but i like what you had done to yours! if i could ever find a c.a. bulldog that wasnt a dog id be all over it, but twice i lost money on them back to back......would need a buddy looking to sell one so i could shoot it first before plunking down my money again.
Thanks for the compliment but it wasn't my creation. Mag-na-port made 250 "Backpacker" Bulldogs back in the late 70's, I was just lucky enough to find #128 for sale. In addition to shortening and porting the barrel, they shaved the front sight, bobbed the hammer, did an action job, and had the guns hard chromed. It came with Pachmayr grips and a leather gun rug with "Mag-na-port" embossed on it.

Gordon
November 8, 2011, 12:07 PM
I love your Backpacker but would put Crimson trace grips on it REAL fast if I was carrying it.

jl1288
March 27, 2012, 11:06 PM
The only big bore snubbies I have. They are both Taurus, the .45 colt is a model 450 with a 2'' bbl . The .44spl is a model 431 with a 2.5'' bbl. I had no trouble finding the owners manual on the Taurus website, they were very clear about not running hot loads thru the 450. In fact they set a 250gr max bullet weight and not faster than 950fps. Now the 431 on the other hand appears to be all stainless, but I can't find any info about how strong it is so I've been working very carefully on the loads it likes. It shoots very well with Win 231, and Bullseye. The best accuracy came from 5.6gr of Bullseye which is near max and a 200gr bullet. The same 200gr bullet and Win 231 gave very good accuracy also but a tad dirtier than the Bullseye. They both are sweet handguns and have not given me any problems in hundreds of rounds (all handloads) I've sent thru them.

CajunBass
March 28, 2012, 06:58 AM
Has anyone shot a short (2-3") ported 44 Mag? I was wondering about the recoil on one compared to the 44 SPL. I've been looking for a 44 Mag that I can afford, but haven't found one yet.

I shot a Model 29 that had the barrel cut back to 2 1/2 inches and Magna-Ported years ago. It wasn't bad as I recall. I had never shot a 44 Magnum before and I was a bit concerned about it, but remember thinking, "That's it?" Of course I have no idea what kind of loads the fellow had with him that day.

I don't carry it, but I love to shoot my Thunder Ranch, Smith & Wesson 21-4. That thing is FUN.

HiWayMan
March 28, 2012, 07:35 AM
I don't carry it, but I love to shoot my Thunder Ranch, Smith & Wesson 21-4. That thing is FUN.

A Thunder Ranch 21-4 is my only true .44 special. It is really fun to shoot. It will put it's slugs right on target with boring regularity even on the 50 yard bullseye course. I carry mine regularly though. Sometimes it rides in a strong side holster and sometimes just jammed in my waistband at 1:00 sans holster. Other times it just hangs out in my front pants pocket. I took the hammer spur off mine a couple years ago and it rides much more comfy now.

Damn I love that gun. I blame old Elmer for the .44 bug that bit me bad. Someday I'll buy another one and chop it to 3" and shorten the grip.

Racebannon
March 28, 2012, 11:16 AM
Here is a favorite woods bumming and travel revolver for my Jeep. A S&W 624.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj32/WilliamTheConqueror/picsofkitties041-1-1.jpg

JohnnyCremains
March 28, 2012, 12:11 PM
I've been carrying this Bulldog for more than 10 years now.

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv236/twaits/IMGP2408.jpg

ApacheCoTodd
March 28, 2012, 12:52 PM
I carried a Target Bulldog with Glasers for a very long time. I liked the reliability, dimensions (5 shot), weight and accuracy. I only gave it up for my AMT .45 Back Up and even then mostly for the extra 5 round mag of the Back Up over a 5 shot speed loader for the Bulldog.
I do miss having 1 or 2 shot shells though.

Cosmoline
March 28, 2012, 01:14 PM
I've been disturbed by the quality of the Bulldogs I've handled. I wish Ruger would create a 5 shot .44 special on their old Speed Six frame. I've seen a custom job like that once but it sold for over a grand.

Frank V
March 28, 2012, 03:02 PM
CajunBass & HighWayMan

Have you found the S&W mod. 21 to shoot high with the heavier 245gr bullets? I think I read that they were sighted at factory with the newer, more common 200gr bullets?
Thanks.
Frank

rikman
March 28, 2012, 07:16 PM
Love to carry this baby if this ever becomes a free state....love the caliber & guns

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae133/FLYFIDO/photo-1.jpg

WC145
March 28, 2012, 07:49 PM
Has anyone shot a short (2-3") ported 44 Mag? I was wondering about the recoil on one compared to the 44 SPL. I've been looking for a 44 Mag that I can afford, but haven't found one yet. :uhoh:
I've got a Mag-na-port custom 3" M29. It is surprisingly shootable, though it's really loud. The recoil and muzzle jump is actually less than my friend's 7.5" Ruger Redhawk using the same ammo. If you can stand the noise the porting is definitely worth it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MjCIdW2t408/T247Wth-ICI/AAAAAAAAD_s/sFOKWOZF5do/s720/SDC11865.JPG

The_Shootist
March 29, 2012, 12:02 AM
Seriously though - on the new revolver market, Charter seems to be the only ones making .44 spl's now? I'd pick one up but have heard people gripe about their quality.

Stainz
March 29, 2012, 12:43 AM
I still pocket carry this one, an S&W AirLite Ti 296, stoked with 200gr GDJHPs (GA Arms):

http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/Stainz_2007/IMG_3867-1.jpg

Stainz

Arizonagunrunner
March 29, 2012, 08:45 AM
I started this thread to see how many folks carried the ole 44 Special. I am glad to see there is a following for this caliber. I am a huge 357 magnum fan. I rotate my Speed Six in the mix with my two 44's. It is a hard decision in the morning as to which weapon will be my ccw for the day. I know that what ever weapon I choose, it will see me through if I need to use it. I just love the two 44's I own. The Taurus 431 is a beautiful weapon. It carries well and it sure looks good with a deep rich blueing. What impresses me the most is the quality of this weapon. Built really well. Very accurate. Super reliable. You just can't ask better then that.
Now my Rossi 720 is sweet. Super smooth action. Just as good as a S&W if not better. Looks great. I changed the bobbed hammer out for one with the spur. I like them better. I like fixed sight weapons for my CCW'S. It is dead on to point of aim to 15 yards. Super reliaible as well. I think as a ccw the 3 inch is the best way to go to get the most out of the .44.
Roll my own for practice. I use 6 grains Unique. Great practice round. Carry ammo is the Blazed Gold Dots. I know to be on the recieving end of one of them is a trip to the graveyard.
Long live the .44 Special. It is special.:)

josephbw
March 29, 2012, 12:46 PM
As an update to the post I made last year, I bought a Charter Arms Bulldog a few months ago. So far I have had zero problems with it, and I really enjoy shooting it. I have yet to put a factory round through it. I bought brass for it, and since I already loaded 44 Mag, this was a natural progression as far as I'm concerned. :D

FM12
March 29, 2012, 01:35 PM
Charter Bulldog, right hip jeans pocket, untucked shirt tail.

HiWayMan
March 29, 2012, 03:25 PM
CajunBass & HighWayMan

Have you found the S&W mod. 21 to shoot high with the heavier 245gr bullets? I think I read that they were sighted at factory with the newer, more common 200gr bullets?
Thanks.
Frank

I have not really noticed a difference in POA vs. POI between 200gr and 246gr at all manner of velocities. That isn't to say that there are not differences, but in a fixed sighted gun at 50 and 25 yards I haven't really noticed.

foghornl
March 29, 2012, 10:14 PM
I had one of the mid-70's vintage Charter .44 Bulldogs. My only knock was not on the Bulldog, but the cost & availability of ammo..only commercial load was a 246-gr lead round nose, at more than twice the price of 240-Gr SJHP .44Mag.

The mid-80's or so and later the Charco Arms years were the pits in terms of quality. Not so now...Charter makes a very decent quality revolver at a reasonable price.

I REALLY want a new .44Bulldog.

Beach Nut
March 29, 2012, 10:20 PM
The .44 Special would make a nice round for a urban self defense situation, plenty of
knock down power without the threat of over penetration. The sight of that big bore
pointing at someone might be enough to make a bad guy think twice about any mischief
in itsself. I might check out that Charter Arms Bulldog I was looking at last week again.
I have always wanted a large caliber snubbie.

ElToro
March 30, 2012, 12:23 AM
anybody want to go old school ?
how about a cut down 100 year old triple lock ? this is how i got it. pre war magnas and all. i believe this gun was cut down a very long time ago due to the wearing of the blueing. shoots like a dream and is very accurate even with the hacked up rear sight
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab266/tims_albums/100_1496.jpg

DC3-CVN-72
March 30, 2012, 12:34 AM
That's cool !! :)

Bassleg
March 30, 2012, 12:43 AM
I shoot and carry a Bulldog and Taurus 445UL and cast bullets for both. I just like big holes.

CajunBass
March 30, 2012, 03:32 AM
CajunBass & HighWayMan

Have you found the S&W mod. 21 to shoot high with the heavier 245gr bullets? I think I read that they were sighted at factory with the newer, more common 200gr bullets?
Thanks.
Frank

I haven't noticed any difference either, but the range I've had the opportunity to shoot this one at only has a seven yard handgun range. I mostly shoot 200 gr RNFP lead reloads. It only took one box of factory ammo at $50.00 a box to justify a set of dies and a some virgin brass.

That is NICE ElToro. Very nice indeed.

ElToro
March 30, 2012, 03:53 AM
best part was the price. $250 2 years ago in a local shop.

i've been offered that for the grips !

ApacheCoTodd
March 30, 2012, 10:05 AM
I have the weirdest affinity for these purpose modified older guns and like speculating as to the particular motives for the mods while holding them. Odd mods and an "off" caliber - almost irresistible, that.

mavracer
March 30, 2012, 12:18 PM
ElToro,Do you wear a trench coat and a fedora when you carry that? lol
That is a sweet one.

Frank V
March 30, 2012, 01:04 PM
CajunBass & HiWayMan

Thanks for the report. Maybe the one I shot was sighted a bit differently, or maybe it was me. Either case reloading with the good old 200gr .44-40 bullet would fix it!
Frank

ApacheCoTodd
March 30, 2012, 04:50 PM
The old B'dog that I traded into with an International Harvester Scout soft top.

Target? Yeah, just about but I have very few handguns which inspire more confidence as far as an effective defense.

If you have a 'dog and can find these Pachmayr grips, I highly recommend them.

ElToro
March 31, 2012, 12:37 AM
ElToro,Do you wear a trench coat and a fedora when you carry that? lol
That is a sweet one.
ha ha . sometimes i think i was born 100 years too late...

my dad was with me when i spied it on the dealer shelf unlabeled and unpriced. i knew what it was right away. the seller was one of these guys that buys storage lockers and this was a prize so he sells the occasional guns through my pals shop on consignment. i made my friend at the gun store call this guy and i just threw out a crazy offer of $250 and he took it. my dad is super convinced this was some 1920s-30s bootleggers gun. the grips are from the early mid 30s and the sight is the guns previous longer barrel cut and rewelded back on then shaped down. pretty cool huh ?

only 44 special. but it will have to do until i can find and afford a triple lock target...

front sight
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab266/tims_albums/100_1492.jpg

rear sight somebody tried cutting and tapping. to maybe put some kind of adjustable in. i have considered sending to Ham Bowen to se what he could do.
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab266/tims_albums/100_1493.jpg

cwl1862
March 31, 2012, 02:55 PM
On occasion I have carried either my S&W 696 or my 1st Gen CA Bulldog. I load both with Speer/CCI Blazer 200gr Gold Dot HP's. As a matter of fact I load GD's or Corbons in all of my CC firearms, Mostly GD's though. Great design, with a proven track record.

JohnnyCremains
March 31, 2012, 03:20 PM
I don't know about the quality of current CA Bulldogs but I'm impressed by the no frills functional quality of mine. It was probably made in the 70s or 80s and it has great timing and lockup with very smooth SA and DA pulls. I bet my life it will fire everytime I pull the trigger.
I've read about thousands of rounds of hot .44 specials being fired through these older Bulldogs with no ill effects. They are great guns.

JohnnyCremains
March 31, 2012, 03:21 PM
El toro,

I absolutely LOVE your cut down triple lock. Please let me know if you ever want to sell it.

jolly roger
March 31, 2012, 04:25 PM
My 21-4 shoots 240s just a bit high but I would rather a fixed sight gun shoot a bit high than low. 200s are dead on and 215 cast are a RAY GUN. Excellent accuracy.

Jaymo
March 31, 2012, 04:34 PM
Love the Bulldogs. Wish I'd never sold my Taurus 431 3" blue.
I'm trying to find another.
I want the new 5" Charter Target Bulldog.

tomrkba
March 31, 2012, 05:03 PM
http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/tomrkba/firearms/revolvers/Ruger-Alaskan/Ruger-Alaskan-more-muzzle.jpg

Ruger Alaskan in 44 Magnum with Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 200 grain JHP

MichaelB
April 1, 2012, 12:15 AM
Nice kydex tear, Tomrkba! Who made it?

BlackSky
April 1, 2012, 12:38 PM
I like carrying my S&W 624. It's stuffed with CorBon DPX 200 grainers and sits in the Lobo GL IWB quite nicely.

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/667/dsc06713g.jpg

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5275/dsc06722s.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7271/122211.jpg

57sw
April 1, 2012, 01:33 PM
BlackSky, that 624 is really nice. I like those grips and rig as well.

To me the .44 special makes a whole lot of sense. Big and Slow is hard to beat. I keep my 696 stoked with CCI 200gr. GDHP.

Bassleg
April 1, 2012, 01:35 PM
Now that's a nice set up. Blacksky

JERRY
April 1, 2012, 01:44 PM
BlackSky, im chiming in as well, very nice set up you have. and i like the touch of the bobbed hammer for a less snag prone draw.

how lucky you must be to live an a locale in calif. where some folks can still get a ccw if they know the sheriff well enough.

Meeteetse
April 1, 2012, 02:47 PM
I like large caliber handguns for personal protection and often carry either a 45 Colt or a 44 mag. Both are 4" Mountain Guns. I prefer Winchester Silvertips in the 45 Colt and I have tried several 44 special loads in the magnum Mtn. Gun.. I rarely shoot magnum loads in the 44 Mountain Gun, but could if needed, even though I don't like it much.

Frank V
April 1, 2012, 03:11 PM
Jolly Roger

I have shot a lot of fixed sighted guns, & for me I'd rather they shoot low. It's an easy matter to file a bit off the front sight to bring them to shoot to the sights than it is to build up the front sight. I'm just very sure it's the load & not me before I touch the sight with a file!

I've had to have that done too & that's a trip to the gunsmith as I don't heli-arc weld.

If you are satisified though, that's the important thing.
Frank

Jaymo
April 1, 2012, 03:21 PM
Glaser blue and 200 grain Gold Dot in .

I never got the memo that informed me that I'm woefully defenseless with anything other than a hi-cap Tupperware 9/.40.

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