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The_Armed_Therapist
October 31, 2011, 08:22 PM
I was just wondering which 1911s on the market are the closest to the original design. I'm not in a position right now to purchase one, but would love to eventually. When I do, it won't be a carry gun. I want it to be as accurate to the original as possible. For example, I've heard that Taurus and Para Ordnance don't make them "the way that it was designed." I don't really know what that means, but anyways...

Which are the most accurate among those currently in production?

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J2FLAN
October 31, 2011, 08:28 PM
??? Colt

mike.h
October 31, 2011, 08:36 PM
I'm guessing you haven't looked at the GI 45 made by Springfield Armory?

http://springfield-armory.com/armory.php?version=1

rellascout
October 31, 2011, 08:41 PM
For a NIB production gun the Colt Tier III 100 year Anniversary gun is the best currently being made. Will cost you $1500

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu240/twoasales/Gunbroker/DSC06061.jpg

The money is not option choice is the C&S 100 year pistol. This one will cost you $5000. http://www.cylinder-slide.com/reproduction.shtml

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/1911repro/jpg2.jpg

ugaarguy
October 31, 2011, 08:47 PM
Wait on Colt to do another run of WWI, WWI, or 1918 reproduction 1911s. Those were some of the few real USGI 1911 clones sold recently. In current production (as in mass production) the Colt Series 70 Reissue is as close as you'll get - http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/ColtPistols/ColtSeries70.aspx.

rellascout
October 31, 2011, 08:49 PM
Wait on Colt to do another run of WWI, WWI, or 1918 reproduction 1911s

Not going to happen. Both went over their 4000 count run they are not making more. The Tier III anniversary is the closest you will get

Mr.Blue
October 31, 2011, 09:18 PM
Every 1911 fan needs at least one Colt.

KAS1981
October 31, 2011, 09:29 PM
In regards to the Springfield, it's still not quite there. The arched mainspring housing & short trigger were not on the original design. Same goes for the finger relief scallops behind the trigger on the frame.

The mostest original replica is the Colt that rellascout posted.

Mr.Blue
October 31, 2011, 09:42 PM
Springfield 1911's are not even built in America, with most parts made in Brazil. That's a non-starter for me when it comes to 1911's.

ugaarguy
October 31, 2011, 09:45 PM
Not going to happen. Both went over their 4000 count run they are not making more. The Tier III anniversary is the closest you will get

Maybe not exactly the same, but something similar will come out eventually. Maybe another TALO commisioned USGI repro from Colt will happen. Right now you're right on the tier 3 anniversary.

SonOfRoost
October 31, 2011, 09:49 PM
Rock Island Armory is dead on with the original design, but I don't trust the original without pretty extensive modifications, which is what I've been doing to my RIA for the past year.

ugaarguy
October 31, 2011, 09:59 PM
SOR, exactly what modifications does a 1911 need for you to trust it? Also the RIA is pretty close, but it's not dead on for a USGI 1911.

KAS1981
October 31, 2011, 10:58 PM
Rock Island Armory is dead on with the original design, but I don't trust the original without pretty extensive modifications, which is what I've been doing to my RIA for the past year.
Nope.....close, but no cigar.

If we're going to split hairs, the RIA still isn't dead on the money. Take a good hard look at a RIA GI model, and compare it closely with the Colt repro pictured in this thread.

http://dev.rockislandarmory.com/images/1911_gi.jpg

HisSoldier
October 31, 2011, 11:26 PM
To me being accurate to the original also means,,,,drum roll,,,,Materials!

To find a 1911 that is made using the same processes and materials, now that is a real problem, is that Colt straight up that way? I really don't know, it would really make me feel good to think that anyone, for any price, is making one the way they should be. No MIM, no plastics, no cast, personally I wouldn't care about CNC, that just means the same methods done to perfection part after part, but a true purist might.
Steels? Does anyone make steel parts with the same amounts of carbon even as the originals? This I really doubt.

I haven't seen a case hardened grip screw since I sold a WW2 1911 A1 I had, but that's how they used to be made. How about the finish? That deep blue Colt used to use. The magazines were "In the white" for the last third at the top, because the bluing process effected the heat treating of the feed lips.

Is that Colt pretty close in all these areas? If so I'd like one myself, it would be like going back in time 100 years. Many of our modern methods are greatly superior, and many are a shame for American manufacturing, and I feel like I'm the only guy saying that out loud. Colt is as bad as almost any of them in giving the American consumer what he doesn't know is compromised materials and processes, maybe we'll see a change in the trend.

rellascout
October 31, 2011, 11:34 PM
Hissoldier.... read up on the C&S gun and those like it. There are guys making pistols to the old spec but you are not going to get them for $1500. The price is $5000.

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/reproduction1.shtml

To celebrate the 100th anniversary of the 1911 I am researching the feasibility of building 100 exact reproductions of an original military 1911 pistol that was built before serial number 3186...So, as you can see creating an actual reproduction of an original 1911 pistol will require quite a lot of work and expense for a small run of 100 pistols. I am currently researching the costs to reproduce the pistol.

Again the Colt is the closest thing you will get in a production pistol. You are being obtuse. The OP did not ask for a 100% recreation he asked "which 1911s on the market are the closest to the original design." Don't change the question so you can air your personal beefs.

GRAPE-DRANK
October 31, 2011, 11:35 PM
If it has a firing pin safety then it's not original. The only manufacturer that has it right is Colt 70 series, but the original design is an acquired taste. So is the Colt 80 series. Well made pistols, but the hammer bite is not a pleasant experience.

Modern 80's series 1911's with skeletonized hammers and crisp triggers are the way to go.

GRAPE-DRANK
October 31, 2011, 11:37 PM
The pistol that Rellascout posted is a beautiful piece of American worksmanship, but even thought the hammer is wider than the hammer that Colt puts on it's 80's and 70's series pistols it still has a hammer bite.

rellascout
October 31, 2011, 11:48 PM
http://www.cylinder-slide.com/1911repro/jpg1.jpg

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/1911repro/jpg9.jpg

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/1911repro/jpg10.jpg

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/1911repro/jpg5.jpg

asia331
November 1, 2011, 01:37 AM
Have 2 Colts.. first bought as a newly commissioned Marine 2ndLt in the 70's; the second was an Officer's Model back-up to the Beretta when I deployed for the 1st PG War.

Looking for another Colt now.

MachIVshooter
November 1, 2011, 11:23 AM
That C&S sure is pretty, but unless I become independently wealthy, I'll never spend $5k on a 1911.

Vonderek
November 1, 2011, 01:48 PM
Post 2 and the top half of Post 4.

BTW-the slide/rails on the left side of that C&S don't look that tightly fitted to me...especially for $5K.

Hacker15E
November 1, 2011, 02:20 PM
There are lots of differences between a GI-spec (WWII) 1911A1 and both the RIA Fullsize and the Springfield GI.

The devil is in the details as far as exterior appearance goes. Trigger lengths, hammer styles, bevels on the mag well, mainspring serrations, etc.

Inside, the SA GI is significantly different, with the ILS system (and all of the differences in springs that go with it), non-standard firing pin size, etc.

If the OP wants to

iron horse
November 1, 2011, 08:31 PM
Note Canebrake's post no. 8 in the link below. Very informative.

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f57/colt-series-70-80-90-a-21979/

Onmilo
November 2, 2011, 12:05 AM
Just find a buy a Colt.
Nothing else is quite the same.
http://www.fototime.com/139E97C25767F4E/standard.jpg
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