I have some questions about how folks carry their Glocks or really any substantial pistol. I am 6' 3" feet tall, weigh 220, athletic build and can't seem to conceal it to my satisfaction without a sweatshirt or flannel over it. Even then... the butt of the gun sure likes to poke out and 'print'.
I am not new to carry, I am way over the thought that everyone is looking for/can see my gun, etc. but I am just wondering how everyone else does it, I have always carried a p64 AIWB, and it disappeared for the most part.
Now I have a Glock 19, I have an MTAC Minotaur holster, I have a true gun belt, I have pants that are oversize and I have pants that are the 'correct size'. I have carried it daily for over a month and a half to try and get used to it. I have never tried 4 o'clock carry until now, and I like it except for the fact that I drive a lot and I can't stand sitting on the weapon or it pushed into my side - it feels like my back is out of wack a little from me not sitting 'square'. :confused: Do you guys just 'deal with it?'
I have since tried carrying at 2 o'clock - 3 o'clock and that works better for driving but it makes me look like I have a tumor on my hip when in just a t-shirt. I am against AIWB now while driving because there is a greater risk of my seatbelt hurting me with it there if I was in an accident. I am really trying to make this work but I keep regretting that I didn't get the G26. I know that neither of those guns will be ideal in only jeans and a t-shirt - or is it possible? I have kids, go to the park, etc and I don't want to alarm anyone if someone sees me printing. I work with some folks that would flip if they thought I had a weapon on me because they noticed it printing... If someone is walking behind me in Home Depot, I don't want them to see the butt of my gun stick out as I walk along like I see all the time in there... For winter and with a flannel on, seems doable - I like to take my flannel off in Home Depot, etc but I guess that's just a trade off for concealed carry. I will say that the Minotaur is pretty comfortable. I wear it on the lowest riding setting of all it's adjustments. Any other setting, and I have tried them all, is worse off in some way or another. I have a junk leather galco that had a thumbstrap too, that one rides too high and has a less than ideal clip.
I am planning to purchase an LCP for deep concealment, pocket, IWB or otherwise... but I just don't get the thousands of posts that say that folks carry G19 and G17 all over without any issue concealing it. I have taken video of myself armed and it's way easy to see, especially with just a t shirt on. Will a G26 make a big difference or do I really have to go with a LCP? (Both? :cool:)
Am I missing something? I feel like 'you all' :D sit on your weapon while you drive all day, never take off your coat or jacket, and somehow never print with a bazooka under your shirt.
Thanks in advance -
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November 1, 2011, 09:19 PM
I used to carry a G19 myself. I am 5'6'' and 160lbs. I found that one of two things worked for me. First, the right combination of ride height and weapon cant. I am not especially familiar with your holster but I do think that it is fairly adjustable. It may seem counter intuitive, but a highride combined with forward cant (15-20 degrees) can make a cannon disappear. The other thing that I did that helped, as I also did a lot of driving, was use a shoulder holster while driving. When you get to where you are going you can switch to the IWB holster an drop the shoulder rig while still in the car with little difficulty. Without a gun in the holster, you won't harly notice it is there. I found shoulder holster worked best for driving. Just my thoughts, but you can find a way to make it work, just don't write off anything as "too crazy" because you never know what will work for you. Good luck.
November 1, 2011, 11:22 PM
I could never make a double-stack of any type conceal well, or carry comfortably for me. And I tried a number of times.
After having owned several Glocks and a number of other double-stacks, I do not own any now.
I would like a G20 or G29 because I am a 10mm fan, and there are very few good chioces in 10mm. But any double-stack would be either a competition gun or a nightstand gun for me.
November 1, 2011, 11:38 PM
'Printing' is a non-issue. People just don't notice it. As long as you have something fairly loose over your gun, no one will ever see it.
I've successfully used untucked golf shirts and t-shirts to conceal a Glock 19 and a S&W M&P9 all over northern VA, among other places.
November 1, 2011, 11:45 PM
I am of similar build to you and I conceal S&W N frames all the time.
Two things that have worked for me:
1. Holsters that blend the into the contours of your body are awesome. Simply Rugged's pancake holsters are hard to beat for comfort and concealability. They are not tacticool but they work wonderfully.
2. A light fleece vest is an indespensable part of my wardrobe. It covers a multitude needs and covers big guns well.
And you probably aren't printing as much as you think you are. You are hyper aware, which is great, but the guy at Home Depot is gonna think that lump under your shirt is a tape measure or a smart phone pouch, if he notices at all. Unless he or she is a gun person, then you'll make a friend :-)
November 2, 2011, 12:28 AM
I'm 5'8", 165 and carry a G19 year round. I carry at about 3 o'clock or so with a 15 degree cant. Not sure about rise, but the bottom of the trigger guard sits about flush with my jean's waistline. I still wear medium sized t-shirts. I don't use a fancy holster, just a FIST 1-A (IWB with a steel clip.).
I think the trick is in the forward cant. The butt of the gun is over the barrel at this angle, so you don't get that bulge of the butt sticking out. Putting it at about three o'clock places the gun discreetly in line with my torso with neither the butt or the rear of the slide jutting out. You might try adjusting your holster to this cant, or maybe just buy a different holster to try it out. I've never regretted buying the 19 over the 26 and am toying with the idea of an even larger Glock, either in .45 or 10mm.
November 2, 2011, 02:44 AM
Ditch the MTAC, I'm about the same size as you and EDC a G19 AIWB without a hitch... You need a holster with a smaller footprint is all, those MTAC's, CTAC's, Crossbreed holsters work best at 3:30-4:30 and for heavier guns where that kind of support is needed. A G19 is light and that gigantic footprint isn't needed, and lately I've just been using an inexpensive Blade-Tech Phantom or their slightly pricier Nano with excellent comfort and performance (in leather, a couple of the HighNoon offerings work real well too).
November 2, 2011, 07:46 AM
I carry a sub-compact Glock. The only way I can carry the compact model without printing is if I'm wearing a really baggy shirt or a jacket. With the sub-compact it doesn't print at all for me. If you can get used to the two-finger grip it's a great gun, I'm actually more accurate with my G27 than I am with my G23.
November 2, 2011, 08:24 AM
I carry a G19 frequently at the 4 o'clock position and I'm 6'0'' 180lbs. It probably prints sometimes but, as mentioned before, 99% of people are oblivious and the ones that aren't are probably carrying too.
As far as driving, I feel your pain. I have a seat holster so I just take it out and put it in that while I'm driving. If it's just a short drive I leave it in my IWB holster and deal with it.
If that doesn't work for you, I also occasionally carry a Kahr CM9 in my pocket (with holster) for times I'd like more mobility.
November 2, 2011, 08:58 AM
Wear it at 4 o'clock, and take it out while driving. You won't be able to draw, anyway with it at 4 o'clock while driving, but it's comfortable for other daily activities.
November 2, 2011, 09:22 AM
I'm about your size . I'm 6'2 about 210. The only place I can hide any ccw really is appendix it seems. I could probably hide a full-size duty pistol there. I struggle like you though when I holster anywhere else to keep the grip from printing. I'm going to try the cant tilt another poster mentioned and see how that goes.
I've gotten used to appendix, but would like another option besides pocket. If you figure something out please post for us. I'm sure there are more people with the same issue.
November 2, 2011, 09:47 AM
'Printing' is a non-issue. People just don't notice it. As long as you have something fairly loose over your gun, no one will ever see it.
I agree. People generally just don't notice. I'm 5'10" and 180. I carry a g19 in shorts and polos without issue. Sometimes I print and I really don't care.
That being said, something like a single stack 9 (Like a Kahr cw9)sure is comfortable to wear, also. I can wear something like that IWB with my regular sized pants.
November 2, 2011, 12:01 PM
People don't notice printing. People generally aren't looking for guns. Don't worry about it.
I an 5'10" 235lbs. I wear a OWB at 4 o'clock, often just under a T-shirt. One of the guns I do this with is a 4" Colt Trooper .357 revolver.
November 2, 2011, 12:13 PM
I use a Crossbreed at 5oclock with my exactly the same size Glock 23.
For long drives, I can grab the clips and pull it around to a more comfortable but less concealable 3 oclock.
November 2, 2011, 12:13 PM
You started off by saying,
"...I am way over the thought that everyone is looking for/can see my gun, etc."
and then you wrote an entire paragraph about why you are worried you'll be seen when carrying concealed.
Most folks go through lots of holsters and several guns before deciding on the ideal carry method for them. I am about your size and I can carry anything concealed with the right holster and clothes.
I am not sure that your technique is the problem. It sounds to me like you are way over-analyzing this. Quit thinking about it so much and just carry.
November 2, 2011, 12:25 PM
I usually carry 1911s of one kind or another and find their rounded contours go a long way to prevent printing. I also carry a Glock 19 or 23 sometimes and the squared-off rear of the slide is a problem. I use a OWB or IWB holster that pulls the pistol as close to the body as I can and use a loose untucked shirt for cover. It works well enough. To me the Glock is just harder to conceal but it can be done.
November 2, 2011, 12:44 PM
I only stand 5'5.5" and weigh 147 pounds. My regular carry is the G36 in an IWB holster. I use a holster similar to the crossbreed hoslters. I have the same slim build of the OP and can easily hide it under a loose shirt. But now with the colder weather , I am carrying my G19 in a cheapy $22 but effective OWB Fobus holster under my fleece jacket.
Another contributor was right - people really don't care what you wear or needless to say what you "carry" under your clothing. Any bulge will look like a cellphone. Once I was carrying a fullsized XD40 in an OWB Fobus holster under my fleece jacket. Nobody gave me a second look.
Grate, get a nice fleec jacket and buy a fobus hoslter. It hugs the gun nicely and is quite secure. It you are afraid in printing, just make you're movements more purposeful to prevent it from sticking out, such as bending from the legs to pick up stuff from the floor rather than bending from the hip.
The Lone Haranguer
November 2, 2011, 12:48 PM
I am not nearly as tall as you, but I wore mine IWB with a 15-degree butt-forward tilt, at 4:00-4:30 clock position and don't recall a problem with "flagging." The tilt, in the hollow of your back (not over your spine) serves to hide it pretty well.
November 2, 2011, 01:19 PM
99% of people are oblivious and the ones that aren't are probably carrying too.
I notice stuff printing all the time, but it usually ends up being a cell phone if I get a better look. So there is that ambiguity going for you as well.
November 2, 2011, 03:10 PM
I really like the 5.11 tactical concealed carry undershirts. I also found a seamstress who does a great job sewing tiny snaps on my button shirts to make the buttons just look like they're buttoned. The shirt opens easily with a tug, I can present the weapon -- usually my XDM 3.8 -- in under 3 seconds, and I still have another 16 rounds in the other shirt pocket. I wear this combo daily and find it comfortable, secure and totally "non-printing" in my environment. I'm only 5'9", 170.
November 2, 2011, 06:05 PM
I carry a G19 in either a Bulman OWB thin cowhide holster, or a Milt Sparks NLG OWB holster, or a Bulman version of the VM2 or a Sparks Horsehide Watch Six, all at 3:30 and on a solid belt like a Sparks or Wilderness Tactical or Frequent Flyer Belt... the G19 rides securely, holds sixteen rounds, is totally reliable, always works, prints little to none and can be accessed easily. I'm 5-9 and a solid 172.
Out of all my pistols, the Glock 19 is the CCW of choice, has been that way for approximately five years... that's why I've accumulated so many holsters. ;)
November 2, 2011, 06:13 PM
I carry an XDm under a hoodie, but under a T-shirt I can't carry anything other than a revolver. It's the butt of the gun that really prints; a revolver's "butt" is forward of the grip, instead of behind it, making it easier to conceal.
November 3, 2011, 12:35 AM
I really appreciate the replies, folks. I pretty much joined the forum to ask this specific question so thanks for the input... and I'd love to hear any more that anyone has.
I've got some things to try, and some holsters to research. I really like the holster suggestions, because I have to think there is more out there that would benefit me. I am not giving up just yet on the G19 but I am glad to hear that there are those who share the same pain in both driving and concealment. I am looking to not have to holster and unholster when I am going to be driving, so it looks like 3:30 is my spot for the most part. I do agree with the comfort of 4-5 o'clock while working and what not, it really does not feel like much back there when I am standing. Anyone share the same worry about AIWB and putting a seatbelt over your weapon?
I agree about the MTAC being a lot of holster. It showed up in the mail and the first time I shoved it in my pants I was like... wha?? :uhoh: It quickly grew on me because it really is pretty comfortable, but it is a lot of 'gear'.
I do also need to chill a little too, agreed but this is more about the printing that could be seen when I WOULD care. Loosing a job because I was oblivious of my printing and a co-worker bugged out or scaring some of my kids friends parents is just not something I want. When I am alone in a grocrey store and I am buying a gallon of milk, I really don't care if I am printing or not.
So it sounds like there are more than a few that have no issue going about their day in just a t-shirt with a G19. I have to keep trying and see how it goes. I still plan to get a LCP for max conceal days but I would much rather have extra rounds and extra powder behind my rounds when I can. My last thought is that I need to get back into the gym, that will help. If your shirt hangs, it hides more.
'preciate it yall.
November 3, 2011, 07:40 AM
I've carried a 19 for the past 2 years and I share your frustration. Other than a decent IWB holster like the Crossbreed or Don Hume, a leather pancake holster with a wide, stiff leather belt is the next best option. On an interesting side note, I now carry a 5 inch 1911 with zero problems concealing it!
November 3, 2011, 08:12 AM
I would look into a Blade Tech Partial Eclipse holster. It has the FBI forward cant and rides high and tight on my hip with minimal printing. I love it.
November 3, 2011, 03:44 PM
I was carrying a glock 23 in mtac in 3:00 3:30 with crimson trace on it with no problems (6'1 200lbs). I would take the mtac and adjust it to each setting you can and with each setting, try it out at all positions you can sitting, standing, bending over until you find one that is right. You want the belt tight but no too tight. Try different cants on the holster. You can adjust that holster to your needs. You will find something that will work. Just play with it.
Also people will most likely not see it printing and if it's minimal, then they won't think gun. Could be cell phone.
I started concealing my Glock 21 with no problems and beleive it or not it is comfortable than carrying my g23. Weird i know but i swear i totally forget i have a full size pistol in 45acp on me. Also in a mtac. I can drive, run, jump and still feel comfortable on me. It was a cake to conceal the 23 but i thought the g21 would be a heavy brick but not the case. Trick is good holster with adjustable cant and height and a good gun belt.
November 3, 2011, 03:49 PM
check nrastore.org many different ways to hide stuff
November 3, 2011, 05:01 PM
I honestly feel that everyone has a unique body shape and size, and what works for a lot of people may totally not work for someone else (even if they have the same height and weight). I am 6 foot even and 225 pounds. I've got a 36 inch waist, 32-34 inch inseam, and I wear size large t-shirts. I've got a Glock 19 that I carry in a Crossbreed Supertuck. Usually I just wear a cutoff tucked in (so the holster/gun aren't rubbing on my skin), with a t-shirt over top, untucked. I don't have any problem concealing it at the 3 o clock position.
You seem about my build, but our body shape may be totally different. So, what works for me may never work for you. A lot of people praise OWB concealment holsters like raven or kaluban cloak. I picked up a brand new kaluban cloak for my G19 to wear OWB...I cannot conceal it to save my life. It just sticks off my back at the 4 o clock position and is terrible for me. But, that's not to say that it won't work for others.
Good luck, I hope you find something that works for yuh!
November 3, 2011, 05:37 PM
I'm 5'10" and 200lbs. athletic build. Been carrying a Glock 19 or 17 AIWB for about 4 years. Went to AIWB mainly because I drive a decent amount and couldn't take the behind the hip carry. The G19 conceals very well for me in the Dale Fricke Archangel or Custom Carry Concepts Shaggy. I can't say that I have ever worried about hurting myself having the seat belt going over the AIWB holster. I think it is a non-issue. Never heard of anyone hurting themselves because of that. And there are a lot of Appendix carriers out there.
I don't wear tight clothes, but I don't wear loose or baggy stuff either. I have a 43 inch chest, so a XL shirt usually fits me best. I wear my regular size pants and jeans also (34). I don't wear t-shirts a whole lot except when exercising. I mainly wear Polo style shirts that don't have the long tails in the back so they look nice not tucked in and button ups un-tucked in the warmer months. In the winter, there are all kinds of ways to conceal AIWB, but also have quick and easy access to your gun. Sweaters, Vest sweaters, fleece vest (I really like vest, because I am hot natured and they keep me from getting over heated when indoors). Golf wind shirts are great to for concealing, and they are light weight. I have also just bought a couple Columbia sweaters that have a half zip and have no elastic at the bottom so they just drape down several inches lower than your waist. They are made out of cotton and very comfortable. They look good with a t-shirt or a button down dress shirt. If I was you, I would just stick to AIWB.
November 4, 2011, 11:42 PM
i just put my 26 in my pocket
November 5, 2011, 12:21 AM
I have been successfully concealing my S&W M&P9 on me since I got it in July and before that a S&W M&P45 for quite some time. It is really not that difficult once I found out how to do it right.
My recipe for success is a proper gun belt, a Galco Triton IWB holster, an undershirt to separate the gun from my skin, a loose fitting cover shirt, and loose fitting pants. I even wear an extra mag or two on the other side with Fobus paddle holsters.
It's really not that difficult or uncomfortable and I get to carry my favorite gun. I don't have to compromise with a smaller gun, it's great.
Sebastian the Ibis
November 5, 2011, 01:44 AM
I'm your size and also carry a 19 in a minotaur. It is perfect as far as I'm concerned at 3:30, however I rarely wear a t-shirt. Try wearing a button up dress shirt, especially with a plaid or gingham print, it hides a G19 really well. If it still doesn't work, you can cut down the grip of your 19 to a 26 length, then you can conceal it like a 26, and have a 19 sight radius. If that doesn't work hit the pull up bar, and do push ups to build up your chest.
November 5, 2011, 10:25 AM
I haven't been satisfied with any IWB holster I've tried with my G 23 (which, if I'm not mistaken is the same size frame as the 19). I've pretty much given up. Now that winter is here I just OC with a Serpa with my coat or sweater over it.
November 5, 2011, 11:04 AM
I carry a Glock 23 & 19 in a Blade Tech IWB at about 3.30 and have no problems when driving.
When I first started, I got in my truck with belt straps loose and moved the holster around until it worked OK. It wound up about 3.30 and also works well when not driving.
November 5, 2011, 04:13 PM
My wife carries a Glock 19, I carry a Glock 23 (same frame size for both). We both use Crossbreed Supertuck holsters. Once positioned properly and comfortably, you can use this with just a T-Shirt on, tucked in and conceals well.
November 5, 2011, 04:21 PM
I'm 6'3" 190 pounds and I use the Bianchi professional to carry my G19. Just untuck your shirt or t-shirt and it is good to go.
November 6, 2011, 04:16 PM
Ben86 recipe is a great one because thats how i finally figured out to carry really comfortably after a year. Name brand holster can be different but that setup is best IMO.
Loose pants (size over your normal size), Strong Gun Belt (Beltman), wifebeater tucked in, insert holster (Highly recommend comptacs mtac) adjust it up down and the cant til it's right on you. Loose shirt. When trying different postitions, ask a friend or family to see if it prints while bending or standing.
You will find it.
Sorry i felt like i had to post again.
January 1, 2012, 01:11 PM
Well, here's an update. I am getting more comfortable with it around 3:30, I can drive well without much fuss and it seems to disappear under my arm. It's not 'deep concealment' by any means but it works I guess.
I am still interested in a smaller gun, I believe I have landed on a CM9 by Kahr. I will order night sights and have them installed by a gunsmith and an extra 6 round mag when I buy it, and it should be the perfect deep conceal weapon without costing a million bucks like the PM9. I want a glock 26 too... but I'll wait on that for now. CM9, then maybe a glock 30 or 21 as a 'bear gun'... then the g26.
Then I'll be done for awhile. I hope...
January 1, 2012, 10:21 PM
First rule of thumb for IWB, no tee shirts. If no jacket or vest is present, an untucked button down shirt with a print on it. Plain and simple.
I carry a G19 in an mtac, I have it ride low with minimal cant, just enough to get my hand on it right for draw. Having it this close to belt line makes it look like a big cell. For the record I am a little taller and wider than you, but the same rule applies.
If you wanna lazy carry on the weekends, either a jframe in the pocket, or a smart carry holster are your friends. Good luck!
January 1, 2012, 10:50 PM
I'm almost the same size as the OP and I carry my G19 in a plain Fobus holster at the 3:00 to 3:30 position under a 2X t-shirt with no problems. It's not that hard to hide. Normal people don't notice either.
January 1, 2012, 11:02 PM
cross draw holster for driving, or just take it out of the holster. i have carried several glocks in minimal design kydex holsters....usually just behind my right hip I can find the sweet spot so that it doesnt print to the extent that its noticable.
February 14, 2012, 11:28 AM
Wanted to update on this. I have recently discovered PJ Holster, and let me tell you he made the impossible happen. I have a few of his holsters now, and for my G19 he was able to make exactly what I needed, custom depth, cant, etc and it really does make it disappear in almost every t-shirt. It IS kydex against the body, so I could see that getting slightly old but just normal 8-10 hour days are no trouble. I love my MTAC for absolute comfort but for max concealment $40 bucks shipped, you can't beat the PJ holster!!
Oh and I have a CM9 now for my deep conceal problem.
February 14, 2012, 11:31 AM
You can't update without pics of the new gear. :)
Help us out so we can see the holster, too!
February 15, 2012, 01:40 PM
I carry a G19 in a leather holster on my belt, outside of my pants. It is really comfy. I suggest that you do the same, but just dress up! A nice sportcoat will conceal your gun and allow you to fight off attackers, but you'll also be fighting off the ladies!