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whalerman
November 1, 2011, 11:53 PM
I've collected guns for much of my life. I've never reloaded. I'm thinking of getting started. My first thoughts are to try reloading for my .44mag handgun and bolt action rifle. I also have a Sharps in .40-65, but I'm not sure that's the way to try things out. I'm also a fan of the 6.5 Swedish Mauser. So tell me how you folks feel about these choices.

And here's another curve. I've been starting a little fun thing shooting Winchester cannons for military funerals. They fire 10ga blanks, which can be expensive. Do I need an entirely seperate system to reload for them?

Also, what do I need to invest in as far as equipment. I don't need the best stuff, but then again I don't feel like replacing things six months after I get started. Do I start by buying books or watching films or should I just team up with someone who can teach me the ropes?

There's a bunch of questions for ya. And thanks.

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chrome_austex
November 2, 2011, 12:51 AM
Start by buying a few reloading books (Modern Reloading by Lee for starters,) and if you can find the Sinclare/Brownells reloading youtube series, they're quite informative for a novice.

Your equipment needs can be tailored meet your personal speed and effort requirements.

All of those calibers sound reasonable to me, but IDK about the shotgun blanks.

kingmt
November 2, 2011, 08:01 AM
Will the shootgun hulls fit back after fireing without sizeing? If yes I would load them by hand.

greyling22
November 2, 2011, 08:27 AM
handgun's simpler to load for, which makes it a better choice for learning in my opinion; and 44 mag is a good one to load for in terms of saving money. I'd get a lee turret press and start there.

Searcher4851
November 2, 2011, 09:30 AM
Reloading manuals are a must. The more the merrier. Usually, the beginning of the manuals have a fairly decent description of the process. You not only learn how to load fom the manuals, you will need them for the data contained therin for actually loading the cartridges. Actual published load data is usually much more reliable than data you might get off the internet, or even in person. Data from outside sources can also be checked with the data in the manuals for safety concerns. (the publishers' lawyers try to keep the data in the manuals on the safe side)
As stated previously, handgun cartridges are usually the easier and better place to start when learning to reload. For me at least, I started realizing the savings sooner because I consume many more handgun rounds thatn I do rifle. It's easier because you're dealing with fewer operations to begin with. With carbide dies, you usually don't have to lube the cases for resizing, don't have to clean the lube OFF the cases after sizing, and rarely have to trim cases, among other things.
Most people do well learning on a single stage press, as a good one will last for ever, it will do both rifle and pistol well, and gives you a real understanding of the various processes involved. For a little more versatility, you could go with something like a Lee classic cast turret press, which is easily adapted (removing one easily removed part) to a single stage press for learning, and onceyou are familiar with the process, can be reinstated to the auto advancing turret configuration to increase output.
If you have someone that can teach you in person, that would be very helpful, as any questions you have can be answered on the spot, and there's always help here on the forum. There are some VERY knowledgeable people here that are always willing to help out.

cfullgraf
November 2, 2011, 11:00 AM
Besides the recommendations already posted, look at the sticky by DaveinFloweryBranch at the top this sub-forum. It has more good information.

I am also in the camp that feels that starting with a single stage press is the best way to learn. Only one operation is happening at a time. Besides, dies and auxiliary equipment are still useful if/when you upgrade to a higher production press. It is always handy to have a single stage press around for certain specialized tasks. Except for AR-15 blasting ammunition, all my rifle cartridges are loaded on a single stage press.

For 10 ga shot shells, you will probably have to get a dedicated loader due to the size of shell. MEC makes some and the 600jr is a good one. You may be able to find a used one for a fraction of the cost of a new one. I have no idea about how to load blank shot shells.

rfwobbly
November 2, 2011, 06:23 PM
Like any other hobby, the multitude of "must have" $5 and $10 accessories often ends up costing more than the big components by the time you're ready to go. For that reason I highly suggest fishing around at local gun stores and gun clubs for someone aging out of the hobby. That way you can buy a complete working system with all the books, measuring tools and even some bullet, primers and powder thrown in. So for one set price you'll get everything.

Often these systems will feature a nice single-stage like a RCBS Rock Chucker which, quality wise, is 2 levels above anything you could buy new for the same price.

James2
November 2, 2011, 08:06 PM
Most people don't load for rifles with a progressive press. Handgun ammo is well suited for such a press.

For many of us, reloading was a way to support the shooting hobby on an income that was never big enough. Then the reloading becomes its own hobby.

Its hard to recommend what to get without knowing how much ammo you are needing, and whether price is a big factor to you.

I too will suggest starting with a single stage press. RCBS and Hornady both have a nice single stage kit that will work well for you. As has been said, even if you go for a progressive later, you will always have odd jobs for the single stage press. The kits are good in that they give you what you need to get started, except for dies and a shell holder for your choice of caliber, and components, that is, powder, bullets and primers.

There is a lot of used equipment on eBay if you are inclined to shop there.

James2
November 2, 2011, 09:59 PM
There is a lot of used equipment on eBay if you are inclined to shop there.

After I said this, I realize its probably just going to be confusing for a new comer to the hobby to make any sense out of what is on eBay?

So just for kicks do a search for these items:

Ohaus scale
RCBS Jr 2 press
Lyman 55 Powder measure
RCBS hand priming tool.

These are the main tools needed to get started.
These are high quality tools.

If you find a press with the priming arms included, you won't need the hand priming tool, though I find it easier to use the hand priming tool than priming on the press.

You will also need dies, and a shell holder for the caliber you will load. You may find these on eBay too. If you do find dies on eBay make sure you get a carbide sizing die for pistol. Sure makes it nice when you don't have to lube casings.

I started years ago with no more than this. I actually didn't even have a powder measure. It gets old very quickly trying to measure powder with just a scale.

A deburring tool, and a set of dial calipers are a big help.

If you have the patience and the inclination to shop eBay, you might put together a starting kit for half what a new one would cost.

Most of us now days clean brass with a tumbler, but I loaded for many years without one. A cotton rag will suffice.

Hondo 60
November 3, 2011, 01:00 AM
Great advice so far.

+2billion on the reloading manuals.
Lyman's 49th Reloading Manual is my favorite.
It has a GREAT how-to section plus a wider array of load data than any other manual.
But more than one is always a plus.

If I were starting over?
I'd get a Lee Classic Turret Press to start with (not the deluxe).
(the deluxe is made of cheap pot metal & the spent primer system SUX)
It's better than a single stage.
You can start in single stage mode (just remove the indexing rod) until you get the hang of it.
Then re-insert the indexing rod & you have a very good inexpensive turret press.

Even if you graduate to a progressive press, you WILL find uses for the turret press.

Anyways, welcome to The High Road.

Lost Sheep
November 3, 2011, 01:14 AM
If I were starting over?
I'd get a Lee Classic Turret Press to start with (not the deluxe).
(the deluxe is made of cheap pot metal & the spent primer system SUX)
It's better than a single stage.
You can start in single stage mode (just remove the indexing rod) until you get the hang of it.
Then re-insert the indexing rod & you have a very good inexpensive turret press.

Besides, Lee makes the only turret in the world that automatically advances the turret (when you want it to). All the others require you move it by hand. Convenience, translating to speed, nothing more.

Welcome, and thanks for asking our advice.

Lost Sheep

eskimojoe201
November 24, 2012, 05:16 AM
i got mossberg 20g 24in rifled bore barrels can i run sabot slugs out this yes or no

Centurian22
November 24, 2012, 05:42 AM
Eskimojoe201: I sugest you post your question in the appropriate forum and not in someone else's thread. Welcome to THR and To answer your question generally rifled barrel shotguns are intended to shoot appropriately sized sabot slugs yes.

Whalerman: read all the stickies here in the reloading section, then either go to a library or purchase a couple reloading books such as those already mentioned, or 'The ABC's of Reloading". I have been researching about a year and just placed my order for a lee Classic Turret and all the accessories to get started.

Welcome to the reloading hobby.

Magnum Shooter
November 24, 2012, 10:56 AM
For many of us, reloading was a way to support the shooting hobby on an income that was never big enough. Then the reloading becomes its own hobby.

This is the truest statement I have ever seen posted on the internet.

One word of caution about E-Bay though, you must know what you will pay for new and not get caught up in a bidding war or you will quickly pay more for used than new. :cuss::banghead:

Lost Sheep
November 24, 2012, 04:15 PM
Anyone who can follow a recipe in the kitchen or change a tire can handload safely. It just takes care and a bit of humility. Handloading is not rocket science, but it does involve smoke and flame and things that go very fast, so care is to be taken.

I have thought of a few things I think are useful for handloaders to know or to consider which seem to be almost universal, so I put together this list.

So much is a matter of personal taste and circumstance, though. So, all advice carries this caveat, "your mileage may vary".

So you can better evaluate my words, here is the focus of my experience. I load for handguns (44 Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, 9mm, 357 Mag, 480 Ruger) a couple hundred per sitting and go through 100 to 400 centerfire rounds per month. I don't cast....yet.

When I bought my first gun (.357 Magnum Dan Wesson revolver), I bought, at the same time, a reloading setup because I knew I could not afford to shoot if I did not reload my own ammo. It cost me about 1/4 of factory ammo per round and paid for itself pretty quickly. I did not use a loading bench at all. I just mounted my press on a 2 x 6 plank long enough to wedge into the drawer of an end table.

I still believe in a minimalist approach and and try to keep my inventory of tools low. I do not keep my loading gear set up when not in use, either, but pack them away in small toolboxes until the next loading session.

Now, here are my Ten Advices.

Advice #1 Use Reliable Reference Sources Wisely - Books, Videos, Web Sites, etc.

Study up in loading manuals until you understand the process well, before spending a lot of money on equipment.

I found "The ABC's of Reloading" to be a very good reference. Short on loading data but full of knowledge and understanding of the process. Check out offerings in your local library. Dated, perhaps but the basics are pretty unchanging. I am told the older editions are better than the newer ones, so the library is looking even better.

Read as many manuals as you can, for the discussion of the how-to steps found in their early chapters. The reason you want more than one or two manuals is that you want to read differing authors/editors writing styles and find ones that "speak" to you. What one manual covers thinly, another will cover well so give better coverage of the subject; one author or editor may cover parts of the subject more thoroughly than the others.

As far as load data in older manuals, the powder manufacturers and bullet manufacturers may have better information and their web sites are probably more up to date. But pay attention to what the ammunition was test-fired from. (regular firearm vs a sealed-breech pressure test barrel, for example)

The public library should have manuals you can read, then decide which ones you want to buy.

There are instructional videos now that did not exist in the '70s when I started.

Richard Lee's book "Modern Reloading" has a lot of food for thought, and does discuss the reasoning behind his opinions (unlike many manuals, and postings). Whether right or wrong, the issues merit thought, which that book initiates. It is not a simple book, though and you will find it provocative reading for many years.

Only after you know the steps can you look at the contents of of a dealer's shelves, a mail-order catalog or a reloading kit and know what equipment you want to buy. If you are considering a loading kit, you will be in a better position to know what parts you don't need and what parts the kits lack.

Advice #2 All equipment is good. But is it good FOR YOU?

Almost every manufacturer of loading equipment makes good stuff; if they didn't, they would lose reputation fast and disappear from the marketplace. Better equipment costs more generally. Cast aluminum is lighter and less expensive but not so abrasion resistant as cast iron. Cast iron lasts practically forever. Aluminum generally takes more cleaning and lubrication to last forever. Lee makes good equipment, but is generally considered the "economy" equipment maker, though some of their stuff is considered preferable to more expensive makes. Just think about what you buy. Ask around. Testimonials are nice. But if you think Ford/Chevy owners have brand loyalty, you have not met handloaders. Testimonials with reasoning behind them are better. RCBS equipment is almost all green, Dillon, blue, Lee red. Almost no manufacturers cross color lines and many handloaders simply identify themselves as "Blue" or whatever. Make your own choices.

On Kits: Almost every manufacturer makes a kit that contains everything you need to do reloading (except dies and the consumables). A kit is decent way to get started. Eventually most people wind up replacing most of the components of the kit as their personal taste develops, but you will have gotten started, at least.

On Kits: Almost every manufacturer (and most major retailer) assembles a kit that contains everything you need to do reloading (except dies and the consumables). A kit is a decent way to get started without too much prior experience. Eventually most reloaders wind up replacing many of the components of the kit as their personal taste develops (negating the savings you thought the kit gave you), but you will have gotten started, at least.

On building your own kit: The thought processes you give to assembling your own kit increases your knowledge about reloading. You may get started a couple weeks later than if you started with a kit, but you will be far ahead in knowledge.

Advice #3 While Learning, don't get fancy Progressive or Single Stage? Experimental loads? Pushing performance envelopes?

While you are learning, load mid-range at first so overpressures are not concerns. Just concentrate on getting the mechanical steps of loading right and being VERY VERY consistent (charge weight, crimp strength, bullet seating depth, primer seating force, all that). Use a "fluffy" powder that is, one that will overflow your cartridge case if you mistakenly put two powder charges in it.

Learn on a single stage press or a turret press, or if on a progressive, only once cartridge at a time. While you can learn on a progressive press, in my opinion too many things happen at the same time, thus are hard to keep track of (unless you load singly at first). Mistakes DO happen and you want to watch for them ONE AT A TIME. Until handloading becomes second nature to you.

Note: A turret press is essentially a single stage press with a moveable head which can mount several dies at the same time. What makes it like a single stage rather than a progressive is that you are still using only one die at a time, not three or four dies simultaneously at each stroke.

On the Turret vs Single stage the decision is simpler. You can do everything on a Turret EXACTLY the same way as you do on a single stage (just leave the turret stationary). That is, a Turret IS a single stage if you don't rotate the head.

Learning on a progressive can be done successfully, but it is easier to learn to walk in shoes than on roller skates.

Also, a good, strong, single stage press is in the stable of almost every reloader I know, no matter how many progressives they have. They always keep at least one.

Advice #4 Find a mentor.

There is no substitute for someone watching you load a few cartridges and critiquing your technigue BEFORE you develop bad habits or make a dangerous mistake. (A mistake that might not have consequences right away, but maybe only after you have escaped trouble a hundred times until one day you get bit, for instance having case lube on your fingers when you handle primers; 99 times, no problem because primers are coated with a sealant, but the hundredth primer may not be perfectly sealed and now winds up "dead")

I started loading with the guy who sold me my press watching over my shoulder as I loaded my first 6 rounds to make sure I did not blow myself up, load a powderless cartridge or set off a primer in the press. I could have learned more, faster with a longer mentoring period, but I learned a lot in those first 6 rounds, as he explained each step. I educated myself after that. But now, on the internet, I have learned a WHOLE LOT MORE. But in-person is still the best.

After you have been mentored, mentor someone else. Not necessarily in loading or the shooting sports, but in SOMETHING in which you are enthusiastic and qualified. Just give back to the community.

Advice #5 Design your loading space for safety, efficiency, cleanliness

When I started reloading, I did not use a loading bench at all. I just mounted the press on a 2" x 6" plank long enough to wedge into the drawer of an end table My loading gear all fit in a footlocker and spread out on the coffeetable and the lid of the footlocker. Good leverage meant the table did not lift or rock. I still use the same plank, but now it is mounted in a Black & Decker folding workbench. A loading bench "bolted to the center of the earth" (as some describe their setups) would be more stable, but I do not feel deprived without it.

You will probably spill powder or drop a primer eventually, so consider what you have for a floor covering when you pick your reloading room/workspace. I would not try to vacuum up spilt gunpowder unless using a Rainbow vacuum which uses water as the filter medium. A dropcloth is practically infallible. Use cloth, not plastic. Less static, quieter and has less tendency to let dropped primers roll away.

Advice #6 Keep Current on loading technology

Always use a CURRENT loading manual. Powder chemistry has changed over the years. They make some powders differently than they used to and even some powder names may have changed. However, if you are using 10 year old powder, you may want to check a 10 year old manual for the recipe. Then double check with a modern manual and then triple check with the powder maker.

Read previous threads on reloading, here are a couple I read.
http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13543
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=11&sid=1efda7af229b625361fbd5ae1f754eec
The second one is a thread started by a new recruit to reloading which the moderators thought highly enough of to make it "sticky" so it stays on the top of the list of threads.

Advice #7 You never regret buying the best (but once)

When you buy the very best, it hurts only once, in the wallet. When you buy too cheaply it hurts every time you use the gear. The trick is to buy good enough (on the scale between high quality and low price) to keep you happy without overpaying. "The delicious flavor of low price fades fast. The wretched aftertaste of poor quality lingers long.

Advice #8 Tungsten Carbide dies (or Titanium Nitride)

T-C dies instead of regular tool steel (which require lubrication for sizing your brass) for your straight-walled cartridge cases. T-C dies do not require lubrication, which will save you time. Carbide expander button for your bottlenecked cases. Keeps lube out of the inside of the cases.

Advice #9 Safety Always Safety All Ways.

Wear eye protection, especially when seating primers. Gloves are good, too, especially if using the Lee "Hammer" Tools. Children (unless they are good helpers, not just playing around) are at risk and are a risk. Pets, too unless they have been vetted (no, not that kind of vetting). Any distractions that might induce you to forget charging a case (no charge or a double charge, equally disturbing). Imagine everything that CAN go wrong. Then imagine everything that you CAN'T imagine. I could go on, but it's your eyes, your fingers, your house, your children (present of future - lead is a hazard, too. Wash after loading and don't eat at your bench). Enough said?

Advice #10 Verify for yourself everything you learn. Believe only half of what you see and one quarter of what you hear. That goes double for everything you find on the internet (with the possible exception of the actual web sites of the bullet and powder manufacturers). This advice applies to my message as much as anything else and especially to personal load recipes. Hare-brained reloaders might have dangerous habits and even an honest typographical error could be deadly. I heard about a powder manufacturer's web site that dropped a decimal point once. It was fixed REAL FAST, but mistakes happen. I work in accounting and frequently hit "7" instead of "4" because the are next to each other on the keypad.

Good luck.

Lost Sheep

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