S&W 617, Ruger SP101, or Taurus 94 .22's For Wife


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sigbear
November 6, 2011, 09:41 AM
My wife has gone shooting with me and friends several times and is recoil/blast sensitive. She wants a .22 revolver to get comfortable with before moving up to a larger caliber.

She likes revolvers better and I currently have a .357 Ruger Security Six 6" barrel, .357 SP101 3" barrel and a LCR.

I am thinking of getting her the S&W 617 because I believe it o be the better "target" pick of the 3. I would love to have her try them all and pic what she wants but that's very difficult because the gun stores I go to don't have any of them and would have to order.

S&W 617
Ruger SP101 .22
Taurus 94

What' your opinion?

Sigbear

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Friendly, Don't Fire!
November 6, 2011, 09:42 AM
Personally, I would go with the SP101;)

Monster Zero
November 6, 2011, 09:44 AM
Ruger.

wanderinwalker
November 6, 2011, 09:47 AM
If a S&W is in the options, pick it. Never a bad choice.

Me, I'd go with a 4" barrel to help keep the weight down and the balance back toward the frame and grip. The issue I have with all of the newer S&Ws (and most "modern" revolvers in general) is the universal heavy barrel and heavy shroud. I can deal with it on a short barrel, but it gets heavy at the 6" mark IMO.

Now if you read through the revolver Quick Check guide at the top of the forum and are comfortable checking out used, I'd highly recommend something like a S&W M-18 (4") or an older lighter-barreled M-17 (6" common). This little gem ran me 5 bills out the door, but I don't think I could be convinced to part with it. It gets fired easily 4-5 times as much as it's .357 counterpart.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/P-990/DSCN0548.jpg

ETA: Drat, I typed too slow and the Ruger fans snuck in! ;)

rikman
November 6, 2011, 09:56 AM
My S&W is awesome

MrBorland
November 6, 2011, 10:24 AM
Tough call.

The Ruger's a good design, but the ergonomics of the SP101 have never agreed with me. The trigger, in particular, is very squared off, and nearly cuts into my finger. That's easily fixable, though.

Though expensive, my 4" 10-shot 617 was one of my wiser purchases, as it's my most-shot gun. And it's a tack driver to boot.

Since you already have a few revolver, another option would be to spend the money on some really low-power .38 loads. It's little-appreaciated that .357s can also shoot .38 Short Colt and .38 Long Colt. Some .38 Short Colt (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/430701/ten-x-cowboy-ammunition-38-short-colt-95-grain-lead-round-nose-flat-point-box-of-50) from your Security Six wouldn't have much more recoil than a .22, I suspect.

You could also buy some 100gr wadcutter .38s from Mastercast (http://www.mastercast.net/ftp.mastercast.net/Remanufactured_Ammo_Retail_Sales.html). They, too, shouldn't have much recoil, and with brass exchange, are reasonably priced.

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp239/becke016/GunsTargets/SW617B-16Freestyle.jpg

GP100man
November 6, 2011, 10:28 AM
Start with what she`s comfortable with !!!!

I`ve found that if a person (female or male) is`nt comfortable or enjoys shooting a certain caliber or firearm they usually don`t shoot !!!!

Go rent some revolvers or autos & let her shoot em , you may be surprised what she picks !!!!

ultramag44
November 6, 2011, 10:30 AM
I have a S&W 18-2, a 17-3 and a new Ruger SP101 8-shot.

All are uber-accurate.

The Ruger needs the edges of the hammer spur smoothed off, a minor thing.

The new S&W's are quite a bit more expensive. Even a used S&W will run the price of a new-in-box SP101 8-shot. New 18's are available right now (w/ Patriger front sight).

I think she should hold them all and see which one fits her hand best.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q228/ultramag44/SW183.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q228/ultramag44/Ruger%20SP101/RugerSP1015.jpg

Hoppes Love Potion
November 6, 2011, 08:12 PM
I think you should also include the 3" S&W Model 63. It's a steel J-frame with adjustable sights. It is smaller and lighter than the model 617 and might fit her hand better. It's also a bit cheaper.

I also recently handled the new SP-101 and it looked and felt very nice, excellent quality and a nice balance.

I did not test any triggers, though. The general consensus is that the S&Ws have the best triggers out of the box.

In any case, I would go for top quality of Ruger or S&W. Taurus revolvers have been known to have quality problems, and the 94 models often have heavy, gritty triggers. Their customer service department has a poor reputation, too. That's not to say that you cannot find a wonderful $300 Taurus (or Rossi or Charter), just that there may be a greater risk of having issues and less chance of satisfaction if you do.

oldfool
November 7, 2011, 08:14 AM
of those listed, the 617, which is an L-frame gun, full underlug

but I also think a k-frame is likelier the better choice, k-22/17/18
if she has real small hands, a j-63, but preferably in a 4" barrel
a lot of people have had bad luck with Taurus 94s, and the DA trigger really is very poor, no kidding; just because they look like S&W kit guns, doesn't mean they are same
But if you run across an older 6" Taurus 96, it is a very good substitute for a K-22/17

You said recoil sensitive, but didn't say how so, re: on what loads fired out of your own guns. If she has not yet tried target wadcutter 38s in your SS & SP Rugers, you really ought give it a whirl, as MrB said.
typical target wadcutters not oft found at wallyworld, but not hard found, even though not dirt cheap (one box ought demonstrate if worth further pursuit)
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/66260-5.html

ColtPythonElite
November 7, 2011, 02:20 PM
Other...I'd go Colt.:D

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=151803&d=1320094785

DTesch357
November 7, 2011, 02:46 PM
The Taurus 94 has a DA trigger pull of about 200 pounds out of the box - I'd steer clear of it.

I really, really love the new 22LR Sp101. I also have an old Colt Diamondback, 6" bbl 22LR revolver... That is one sweet shooter!

weregunner
November 7, 2011, 03:20 PM
First of all if this is to be her gun how about letting her try out the models everone is touting? The gun has to fit her and her needs and no one elses.

Let her take begininning basic women only or one on one accredited class. The NRA and NSSF have these and should be accessible through local gun stores, gun ranges, or gun clubs. This way she get a well rounded basic education on this and is able to make a more informed decision.

Here's some things she might want to look at.
http://corneredcat.com http://babeswithbullets.com
http://www.womenandguns.com


One overlooked gun is the Charter Arms Patriot .22lrf revolvers. I saw one at the LGS and gave it a thorough going over. Oh,yes. It has a 4 inch barrel.

It was a bit hefty, but light enough for anyone to be able to hold it well.

The trigger pull was light,crisp, and smooth compared to many other brands of .22lrf revolver.

If that doesn't float her boat then there are the Taurus 970 and 990 series revolvers to look at. These have better triggers than the Taurus 94 right off the bat. How do I know. I own a 990 and two 94s.

I lightened and smoothed the triggers up a bit on my Taurus 94s and 941 (.22 WRM) by using .22lrf snap caps or spent .22 WRM cases. Many repetitions (practice as well) dry firing over a few days took care of thos problems.

All the Taurus revolvers in .22lrf and .22WRM are accurate,durable, and reliable.

The 94 is my understudy gun to my larger centerfire brethren.

It's also possible that something like a Bersa 10 shot .22lrf pistol might be something to consider.

It's her decision and no one elses. Let her try as many as possible and then let her make the pick.

weregunner
November 7, 2011, 03:23 PM
Guess what I am saying is that if a vote had to be placed it would be all the above after careful consideration by her as to what works and what does not.:)

Manny
November 7, 2011, 05:40 PM
I had a 6" S&W 617 and didn't ever warm to it, too big and heavy for a .22 sidearm IMHO. It's long gone and was the last S&W in my collection and I really don't expect to ever buy another with the possible exception of an M&P AR. I'm an unabashed Ruger fan and it's nearly always my first choice. I would love to have the new SP OR the new Single Ten which would be a very good choice as well.

22-rimfire
November 7, 2011, 07:38 PM
If seeing stuff in person is a problem, I would probably go with a 4" S&W M617 as you can't go wrong with them.

I would look at the new SP-101 in 22 and consider it. If she likes that, go with it.

An alternative is the Colt Trooper Mark III in 22LR. PythonElite posted a picture of one. They are around. I have this revolver in 22LR, 22WMR, and 357 mag. I love the 357 mag version and its my regular shooter 357 mag. Since there is collector interest, I shy away from shooting the 22's, and shoot either a Smith M17 or M18. Finding an older M17 or M18 would be a good choice as well.

Smith makes the M63 now with a 3" barrel. It was previously made with a 5" barrel and if she has smaller hands, the stock grips may work real well for her. It's a 8-shot 22 in the smaller J-frame size. It won't have as good of a factory trigger as the M617, but it still isn't bad. It's a real nice little 22 revolver.

Lots of choices. Most of the good choices are fairly expensive.

BYJO4
November 7, 2011, 08:06 PM
I have always felt the S&W Model 17 or 617 are the best 22s available right out of the box. They have always had an excellent reputation for accuracy and trigger pull. They also maintain their value very well.

powwowell
November 13, 2011, 09:59 AM
The S&W 617 is big and it's heavy. That is for old men and women. I'm an old man and I never did warm up to my 617. Sold it.

I've owned several SP101s, but not in .22lr. I am a big fan of SP101s with 3 1/16 " barrels, in .357.

ALL double action .22lr revolvers will have harder trigger pulls than center fire revolvers. I bought a used Taurus 94, four inch barrel. Either Taurus got this one right from the get-go, or the previous owner sent it back enough times, for Taurus to get it right. SA trigger pull is awesome. DA is stiff, but manageble. This Taurus is more accurate than I can shoot. This 94 is the most enjoyable .22lr DA revolver, that I have ever owned.

With S&W and Ruger you have a better chance of getting a working revolver out of the box. You still won't like the DA trigger pulls and you'll pay a lot more for them. Especially the S&W.

ClemY
November 13, 2011, 09:05 PM
First, I would never buy anything from Taurus. Their quality is too variable; too great a chance of getting junk.

Second, the K frame Smith & Wessons are big, typically over 40 oz. My Model 17 is 45 oz, and my 4” Model 617 is 42 oz. If she can take the weight, they are great. If not…

The new 4” Ruger SP101 .22 looks great. They are not yet available where I live, so I haven’t seen one yet, but basing it on Ruger’s reputation, it should be good.

Another viable candidate is the S&W J frame .22 My 5” Model 63 is nearly as accurate as my 617s and weighs 30 oz. The currently available 3” 63 weighs 27 oz, but I find it a little more difficult to be as accurate with the shorter sight radius. It may be different for you.

wlewisiii
November 13, 2011, 10:56 PM
Well, it's heresy here in the Revolver forum, but keep an eye open for a Colt Woodsman or variation (My wife inherited a Huntsman. It's the sweetest shooting firearm I have ever shot.) It remains the gold standard in .22 pistols. Which is why I chose "other" above.

Of the ones you've got listed, stick to the S&W. Far far far better than the others. I'd suggest finding an older K22 but a current 617 is still better than the others.

roaddog28
November 13, 2011, 11:09 PM
For me the best SA/DA 22 revolver I have ever used is a K22 S&W model 17 or model 18. The new Ruger SP101 22 LR looks good but still unproven. I don't have experience with Colts but they are probably just as good as the S&Ws. The main thing I like about the K22 is the double action trigger. Most DA 22 revolvers have a rather heavy trigger. The model 17 I used at the range had the best double action trigger of any 22 revolvers I have ever use.
For your wife I would try to find a model 18 in a 4 inch barrel.
Regards,
Howard

Hondo 60
November 14, 2011, 01:25 AM
If grading the new 22 revolvers, I'd give Ruger an A
They're built like tanks & meant to be used for generations.
And I LOVE those stock grips.

S&W would get a B.
They're aesthetically more pleasing to my eye, but that darn inter-lock & less than beautiful rubber grips drag it down a hair.

Taurus might get a C-
Their quality just doesn't compare.

Just my 2˘ YMMV

arcticap
November 14, 2011, 05:47 AM
I know an older gent who recently bought the new model Ruger SP101 .22 and he wants to sell it because the trigger pull is too hard for him. He sent it to Ruger to fix and said that they didn't do anything to help improve it and now he wants to sell it without having fired it at all. He said that they told him that the trigger was within their factory specifications.
The short barrel S&W 63's can be hard to hit with for many but the expert shooters.
I had an old model Ruger SP101 .22 and even though it had a correctable mechanical issue (cylinder rubbing the barrel face right from the factory), the accuracy and trigger weren't anywhere near as good as with my current S&W 617.
I've seen a lot of ladies who like shooting the S&W 617 at weekly .22 plate shoots and some are very proficient with it.
And there's a great speedloader made for it along with ammo loading blocks with different capacities to have lots of non-stop fun at the shooting range.
That's right, even reloading the S&W 617 is fun! :D

http://ds10speed.wordpress.com/

http://ds10speed.wordpress.com/loading-blocks/

Master Blaster
November 14, 2011, 02:19 PM
The Sp101 has a Horrible way too heavy double action trigger pull, the SA trigger pull is twice as bad. Not sure if that can be fixed as I believe the SP has the 1 spring action.
If you are getting a revolver for target shooting the trigger is Really, Really important. The Smith choices, the 617 older 17 and 18, and of course don't forget the model 63 J frame 5". All have great single action triggers, and very smooth double action triggers, the pull weight on all can be brought down by having the rebound spring changed, without affecting reliability.

If you want a smaller gun look at the 63, if you want a full size K look at a classic 18 or a 4" 617.

ClemY
November 14, 2011, 03:54 PM
The SP101 has a two spring action and responds very well to smoothing and spring replacement. My 3" 101 now has a single action trigger nearly as good as my S&W 60 and 63, with a double action trigger that matches them. They all typically take a little work.

ArchAngelCD
November 15, 2011, 01:26 AM
I chose other. I like the S&W M617 except for the fact it's built on the L frame and it's very heavy and bulky for a .22. I would buy a S&W K frame M17 or M18 instead. IMO both are great and they are forever guns...

BP44
November 15, 2011, 01:54 AM
I would go with the smith or ruger, I have owned the taurus 94 and had nothing but issues "FTF" with it. Buy a good gun the first time around and you wont regret it latter.

eastbank
November 15, 2011, 08:42 AM
my older .22 ruger sp101, i have not shot it enough to break it in. i good a very good buy on it and put it away,i think its time i take it out. eastbank.

Stainz
November 15, 2011, 09:30 AM
Local stores are quit proud of the new Ruger .22 - even offering them at $600+. A new 4" 617 is less than a c-note more OTD - and well worth it. I am fortunate to have been able to afford a new 4" x10 617, LNIB 5" 63, and a new 3" 63 over the last 3+ years. I love the 3" 63, but that 4" 617 is the ultimate keeper. We A-B-ed the 3" 63 with a friend's new x8 Ruger SP101. No shocker - the 63 was better in accuray - far better in both DA & SA triggers. The 4" 617 is even nicer.

http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/Stainz_2007/IMG_4604.jpg

Disclaimer: I once owned Rugers - nothing but Rugers - from a SS .22 LR/WMR to a SRH .454 - even a #1H in .458 Lott. 8/02 found my wife buying me my first S&W - a new 625MG in .45 Colt... the seed was planted - by 5/08, the last of my Ruger revolvers, except for a SS 'Old Army' bp c&b, was gone. My last Ruger, a 4" SP101 in .32 H&RM bought 'as new' five years ago, would be the worst example, QC-wise, of any revolver I've owned, save a 5.5" .45 Redhawk I sent back to Ruger. Most all of it's roughness was patched - with loads of TLC. If you aren't mechanically adept, expect to pay your Ruger-knowledgeable 'smith some bucks. The new .22 SP101 felt similar to the older .32 I had, sad to say. On the plus side, I like the grips - and the fully adjustable rear sight. Still, I have fewer handguns now - but they are S&W's. YMMV.

Stainz

sigbear
November 15, 2011, 09:39 AM
Well, we went to the gun store and she chose the S&W 617. They didn't have a SP101 in .22 for her to compare but they had several Taurus Trackers and others.
The 617 was much heavier and the quality compared to the Taurus was apparent. She shot 200 round the day she bought it and her 1st. shot hit dead center of the target at 15' and by the end of the shooting day she was hitting the target every time at 50'.
I think either the SP101 or the 617 would have worked out fine for her, but this gun is heavy and recoil is almost non existent. Hopefully after firing a couple of thousand rounds with her new gun she will be able to start shooting .38's with my SP101 .357 with 3"barrel.
In time she should become recoil tolerant.

Thanks for your input.

Sigbear

Stainz
November 15, 2011, 09:47 AM
Congratulations!

Stainz

GAMALOT
November 15, 2011, 11:26 PM
I have a S&W 686-1 L Frame 6 inch in .357 and shoot .38 wads in it. My wife loves my gun but wanted something in .22 cal.

I got her a S&W 617 6 inch that is the spitting image of my 686.

Right out of the box the trigger and action is as smooth as my highly worked action and it is a tack driver much to my embarrassment. She consistently gets better score than me on paper. I had to understand why and it became evident very quick the 617 is just a true pleasure to shoot with absolutely no recoil at all and perfect balance.

Let your gal try them all and drag her around to shops where you can find the guns you mention, shows are usually good for variety and selections.

I would have a hard time prying the 617 from her cold hands and her only complaint is that it is a bit heavy but so much fun to shoot and very inexpensive for the ammo. She also loves the Ruger Mark 1 but the 617 burns the X out of her targets.

22-rimfire
November 16, 2011, 12:40 AM
Sigbear, I am very pleased that she chose the S&W M617 and you feel good about it. I hope you got the 4", but they are less common than the 6" (because the sell faster).

Now you need to find yourself a good DA 22.

I have yet to see the new Ruger SP-101 22LR revolver. I suspect my general feeling will match Stainz's experience. Gun shops selling the Ruger for $600, guess they can keep it. I have too many other DA 22 revolvers to ever buy one if I wasn't comfortable with the price and quality. There is no hurry and I still have not purchased a 3" M63 which comes first. Guess I need to get out more.

Snowbandit
November 16, 2011, 12:59 AM
If it's going to be her's, she needs to choose it herself. The Smith will hold value better and has a better trigger.

I noticed a bunch of posts indicating the S&W 17/617's are L-frames. This is incorrect. They are built on the K-frame.

robctwo
November 16, 2011, 07:15 PM
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/robctwo/617a-1.jpg

4" S&W 617, Burris FastFire, Ahrends retro combat grips, Wolff Spring kit.

Of course this is a 1k gun.

sigbear
November 16, 2011, 10:39 PM
22rimfire, yup, it is a 4" barrel.

weregunner
November 16, 2011, 10:47 PM
Yes, sir that is a beautiful gun. Good wishes and happy shooting to you and the wife.

outlaw88
November 18, 2011, 08:20 AM
@ sigbear, im new to site,seen ur post ...im female,im not real good with the difference with all the diff types guns,i do know gun safety he made me go tho the course with each one of the kids...along with him teaching me years ago..husband has many diff kinds couldnt tell you all of them only the one i bought him one time was a rem 30-6... my very first one was a .22 rev. longhorn w-102 high standard 9 shots per round.. 4 1/2 bar with pearl sides,he let me shoot for a while,then he let me try other ones...and as to what : (GP100man posted ).. he was right,i dont like the others, i only like my first one..all the others either lien to much forward or to much backwards for me..like to top heavy or back heavy...but that longhorn, i hit the target every time on the nose no matter how far he moves the target on me..love it..just saying;)...but i could use some help getting little more info about my longhorn he says hes giving to me and i guess after 25 years,i can say its mine...lol...but i would like to find out some about it,so when im older,or when im ready,i can pass on to my son with history.please if someone can help me would be great thanks..not sure what our info you may need off of it but let me know i can get it for you or if you can pass on to someone who may can help me thanks again,not to go with this pc...ps i find this is all so far if it helps http://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/HSD9/hsd9.html

GAMALOT
November 18, 2011, 08:29 AM
I think you are mistaking about this! The 6 inch 617 does have the full lug and looks identical to my "L" Frame 686 but I do believe it is built on the K frame.

Stainz
November 18, 2011, 09:02 AM
The 17, 18, & 617 are K-frames; the 686 series are L-frames. In comparing the 6" 686 with the 6" 617, they are close... they mount exactly the same size grips - and the six shot 6" 686 weighs 44.9 oz - a whole .7 oz more than the ten shooter 6" 617. The seven shooter 6" 686P, with that extra hole in the cylinder, weighs .3 oz less than the x10 6" 617's 44.2 oz. Weights are from the S&W 2011 catalog. Grip them the same, and the feel of a 6" 617 would be hard to distinguish from a 6" 686/686P.

Stainz

PS To further muddy the waters... the 317 series, lite weight .22's, are J-frames!

oldfool
November 18, 2011, 09:29 AM
outlaw88
welcome to the forum !
"I would like to find out some about it"
Your Longhorn is a High Standard 9 shot double action revolver, most often shot in single action by cocking the hammer (stiff DA trigger)
They made "same" under several label names, mine is the Double Nine, 6" barrel, all steel, both cylinders, 22lR and 22 mag

Well made revolvers, very similar in look and feel to the Ruger Single Six, though the Ruger is single action only, no flip out cylinder you know
(try a Ruger Single Six, I bet you will love that as well, feels identical in hand)

Suggest you surf the www.rimfirecentral.com forum
I think they have a High Standard sub-forum over there
High Standard used to be a rimfire famous name Olympic class target pistol maker back-when
their revolvers not competition grade, but nice enough, much to enjoy

PS
yep, Stainz nailed it
I have only made the mistake of calling the 617 an L frame about half a dozen times (so far); it' the full underlug that thows me off on 'em

reppans
November 18, 2011, 10:22 AM
Well, we went to the gun store and she chose the S&W 617...... Hopefully after firing a couple of thousand rounds with her new gun she will be able to start shooting .38's with my SP101 .357 with 3"barrel.
In time she should become recoil tolerant.


Now that's gonna cost ya - you know how women like to match things ;).

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6149/6004112950_7e7d6bb9a4_z.jpg

GAMALOT
November 18, 2011, 11:12 AM
Mine wanted 6 inches just like mine! :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v722/Gamalot/DSCN1858.jpg

roaddog28
November 18, 2011, 11:39 AM
I know an older gent who recently bought the new model Ruger SP101 .22 and he wants to sell it because the trigger pull is too hard for him. He sent it to Ruger to fix and said that they didn't do anything to help improve it and now he wants to sell it without having fired it at all. He said that they told him that the trigger was within their factory specifications.
The short barrel S&W 63's can be hard to hit with for many but the expert shooters.
I had an old model Ruger SP101 .22 and even though it had a correctable mechanical issue (cylinder rubbing the barrel face right from the factory), the accuracy and trigger weren't anywhere near as good as with my current S&W 617.
I've seen a lot of ladies who like shooting the S&W 617 at weekly .22 plate shoots and some are very proficient with it.
And there's a great speedloader made for it along with ammo loading blocks with different capacities to have lots of non-stop fun at the shooting range.
That's right, even reloading the S&W 617 is fun!

That is typical of most double action 22 LR revolvers. Heavy double action triggers. The only 22 LR revolver I have ever used that a decent double action trigger was a S&W model 17 6 inch barrel revolver. I place the model 17 and 18 at the top when it comes to a double action 22 LR. But a person will paid a higher price to get one.
Regards.
Howard

GAMALOT
November 18, 2011, 12:01 PM
When I bought the 617, 6 inch for her I searched a lot of shops before I found this one with the target trigger and target hammer. I think when they go with the target options they go a few steps further with the actions themselves. I have had a lot of S&W revolvers over the years but have never bought one with such a fine action as this 617 right out of the box.

LongTimeGone
November 18, 2011, 06:01 PM
I went out this morning to buy a .22 revolver.
I had read this thread yesterday after handling the SP 101 the day before.
I really wanted to the 617 4 in. but I didn't want another really heavy handgun. I have a S&W M41 7 in. that I can't hold for long, due to age, arthritis etc.
I held both but still really wanted the 617.
Both felt good but the SP101 felt better balanced for me and the Smith feels heavier than the specs would suggest.

I only had time for 60 rounds and I already love it.
So, here it is;

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm161/skypapa/SP-101-2066.jpg

oldfool
November 18, 2011, 09:18 PM
"The only 22 LR revolver I have ever used that a decent double action trigger was a S&W model 17 6 inch barrel revolver"

I do admire your taste roaddog (probably why I own three S&W k rimfires), but the Taurus old model k-96 is at least as good... and not all small frame DA rimfire revolvers have Taurus or Hi-Std or H&R or Ruger DA triggers... K-frame, no, but them old S&W kit guns ain't real hard to get used to

did friend weregunner really vote 4 times in this poll ??
(just kidding, just kidding) :evil:

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