GSG 1911 - 22LR pistol


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Dudemeister
November 7, 2011, 12:01 AM
Yesterday, I went to a local gun show, and one of the vendors had 2 very nice 1911's in 22LR. One gun was made by GSG in Germany, and right next to it there was a Colt 1911 also in .22LR. The Colt was also made in Germany by Umarex, the same company that makes the Walther P22.

After handling both guns, I came with the impression that both guns were nearly identical, although I did like the sights better on the GSG. The prices were similar as well $350 for the GSG, $399 for the Colt.

I already have a couple of 22 autos (a Buckmark and a P22), but I'd like to add one of these, so if anyone here have these guns I'd like to hear you feedback.


Thanks,

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Chopdoktor
November 7, 2011, 12:05 AM
I have the GSG-1911 and it's absolutely fantastic. I would recommend it highly. I am happy with the accuracy, function, reliability, and authentic 1911 feel. I believe the manufacturer claims 80% parts compatibility with a standard .45 acp 1911. Plus, you can get a threaded barrel adapter, like I did, and run it suppressed. Good stuff.

918v
November 7, 2011, 12:07 AM
I dunno what drives people to buy guns made out of pot metal.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2971/img0564jm.jpg

Sky
November 7, 2011, 12:32 AM
Do a thread check there are a couple of threads dealing with the GSG 1911. General consensus is most are pleased with their purchase.

Dudemeister
November 7, 2011, 01:30 AM
I dunno what drives people to buy guns made out of pot metal.


So is the GSG frame pot metal? What about the Colt?

918v
November 7, 2011, 02:55 AM
The Colt is made by Walther, so I doubt it is made from pot metal. Also, it has a fixed barrel like the PPK and all other good .22 target pistols.

2wheels
November 7, 2011, 10:15 AM
I like my GSG a lot, it's not 100% reliable with the cheap stuff but in my experience few .22LR pistols are. Runs great on the high velocity stuff.

It's a pretty well made gun, and it feels like a 1911 (although slightly lighter). The mag disconnect safety was annoying to me so I removed it, that whole process takes all of 2 minutes. Sooner or later I'm going to suppress it just for kicks.

Dudemeister
November 8, 2011, 03:24 AM
The Colt is made by Walther, so I doubt it is made from pot metal. Also, it has a fixed barrel like the PPK and all other good .22 target pistols.
Yes, the Colt is made by Walther/Umarex, and so is the Walther P22, and that gun does have a pot metal slide. So if anything, I'd think the Colt is the one likely to have pot metal in it.

I have put close to 1200 rounds through my Walther P22, and it's still working great with no visible signs of wear or cracks in it's pot metal slide.

BTW, the picture you posted, is that a GSG ?

Quiet
November 8, 2011, 11:14 AM
GSG designed/made the SIG Mosquito.
The SIG 1911-22 is rebranded GSG 1911-22. Just cost about $50-100 more because it says SIG on it instead of GSG.

918v
November 8, 2011, 09:59 PM
BTW, the picture you posted, is that a GSG ?

No, its a Ruger. Jeezz!

Dudemeister
November 8, 2011, 10:02 PM
Yep, they look identical. The Mosquito is certainly different, but the SGI 1911-22 is the GSG.

Unless someone can tell me the Colt is all steel, looks like I'll be getting the GSG.

918v
November 8, 2011, 10:06 PM
Its aluminum with steel inserts.

2wheels
November 8, 2011, 10:31 PM
From what I understand, the Colt/Umarex M4 .22LR rifles have pot metal in them. The Walther P22 slide is also pot metal IIRC.

So I wouldn't hold out much hope that Umarex doesn't have at least some pot metal in their "Colt" .22LR 1911.

BCRider
November 9, 2011, 03:02 PM
Look around enough and you'll find examples of any gun that have failed at some point. So I'm not surprised that you can find a picture of a busted GSG. The early ones had lots of issues with the barrel bushings but that was fixed some time ago.

While I don't own one I help out part time at a rental range where they have one that gets shot a LOT. So far it's stood up well to about 2 lifetimes worth of shooting at the hands of any private owner. And it still feels and shoots very much like new the last time I handled it.

I will say that it has been down for servicing a couple of times. But then the way they use the guns there even Rugers find themselves sitting in the back waiting for the odd part now and then.

I haven't seen the Colt 1911-22 but I read that it's not a full size copy. Can anyone confirm if this is true or not? But if that's so then I'd opt for the GSG as the nicest low cost 1911-22 that is currently out there.

TennJed
November 9, 2011, 04:05 PM
while i do not know anything on these guns reliability or quality of materials. I do see that the Colt has 2 advantages over the GSG/Sig

12 round mag
does not need allen wrench for field stripping.

918v
November 9, 2011, 04:28 PM
plus it has a fixed barrel so its gonna be more accurate

2wheels
November 9, 2011, 04:34 PM
plus it has a fixed barrel so its gonna be more accurate
The GSG has a fixed barrel, though it's removable unlike some other .22LR handguns with fixed barrels.

TennJed
November 9, 2011, 06:15 PM
Does anyone know anything about the waaranties on thses 22's Esp the colt? I can't seem to find anything online

bergmen
November 9, 2011, 07:10 PM
I've never seen "pot metal" used in any firearm part. Die cast aluminum, yes. Pot metal, no (except in my cap guns when I was a kid in the fifties).

Dan

Sky
November 9, 2011, 07:15 PM
Yes the GSG has about as close to a fixed barrel as you are going to find considering it is affixed by the bushing, screw, pin and slide release pin. They are pretty accurate IMO. I am still working on the slide on mine to make it smoother but after a month and over 1000 rounds I am still not dissatisfied with the purchase.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=618114

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=624121

Both of those threads are dealing with the GSG 1911

918v
November 9, 2011, 10:49 PM
The GSG has a fixed barrel, though it's removable unlike some other .22LR handguns with fixed barrels.

It is not a fixed barrel in the same sense as a target pistol.

I've never seen "pot metal" used in any firearm part. Die cast aluminum, yes. Pot metal, no (except in my cap guns when I was a kid in the fifties).

Dan


die casting in firearms is synonymous with crap

918v
November 9, 2011, 11:46 PM
http://www.mnguntalk.com/download/file.php?id=5749&t=1

bergmen
November 10, 2011, 12:10 AM
die casting in firearms is synonymous with crap

Well, I'm going to say you don't know what the heck you are talking about. There are dozens of die cast aluminum frames for auto pistols, receivers for rifles, parts within many, many successful firearms all across the spectrum.

Dan

BCRider
November 10, 2011, 01:02 AM
I have to admit that 918v is pretty good at pulling up pictures of busted GSG's.

But if the Colt is made by Umarex and given the price point then it's highly likely that it uses much the same materials as the GSG.

Stop and think about it. There's just no way that a lowly .22LR is going to have the power to push back a "proper" steel full size 1911 slide even if it is a fixed barrel. Hell, even Kimber uses aluminium for the slide on their .22 1911. I'm just not sure if it's cast or machined from solid. So one way or the other ANY .22 1911 is going to be dealing with an alloy of some sort for the slide.

mljdeckard
November 10, 2011, 01:10 AM
Machined aircraft aluminum is going to be much stronger than die-cast.

I would say if you have a 1911 already, get a Ciener (or similar) conversion kit. I shoot the heck out of mine on my Kimber frame, I have never sandbagged it to REALLY check accuracy, I just shoot it for fun.

DukeNukem
November 10, 2011, 02:20 AM
That broken GSG slide is made of aluminum not pot metal. If I remember correctly what I read about it, it broke after only a few rounds through the gun and was chalked up as a manufacturing defect.

I have well over 10,000 rounds through my GSG 1911(I stopped keeping track of exactly how many once I passed 10,000.) Mine runs just about every ammo I've tried in it very well. I've only had a few minor problems with mine:

Zinc barrel bushing broke after a couple of thousand rounds--replaced with a steel barrel bushing(the newer GSG 1911's come with a steel barrel bushing.)
Head of the barrel fixing screw stripped out--replaced with a screw I picked up at the local hardware store for a few cents.
Recoil buffer worn out--replaced with a faucet washer sanded down to the proper thickness.



A couple of people who post on Rimfire Central are nearing 20,000 rounds through theirs.

Dudemeister
November 10, 2011, 03:13 AM
Well, it's a done deal. I placed an order for my GSG today.

I would have gotten the tactical version had it been available complete with the mock silencer in California, but unfortunately, our wonderful state prohibits its sale.

So I opted for the traditional version with the wood grips. Now the wait begins.

918v
November 10, 2011, 01:26 PM
Well, I'm going to say you don't know what the heck you are talking about. There are dozens of die cast aluminum frames for auto pistols, receivers for rifles, parts within many, many successful firearms all across the spectrum.

name one

quality firearms are machined from forgings or barstock

bergmen
November 11, 2011, 12:30 AM
name one

quality firearms are machined from forgings or barstock

To start with:

Henry 001 lever action .22: Die cast aluminum receiver.

Ruger 10/22: Die cast aluminum receiver.

Browning A-Bolt II Medallion: Die cast aluminum mag floor plate.

Stay tuned...

Dan

918v
November 11, 2011, 03:52 AM
lemme help you:

Lorcin, Hipoint, Jennings, GSG, and other throw downs

Bonjour43ma
November 11, 2011, 07:02 AM
Funny how most that are bashing the GSG don't actually own one............

918v
November 11, 2011, 03:08 PM
Why would they own one if they seek quality? You can get a nice Browning or Ruger for the same price. Or better yet, a used High Standard Military model.

Bonjour43ma
November 11, 2011, 07:42 PM
How can you criticize/give opinions on a gun that you've never owned? Yeah... didn't think so.

Case closed.

DukeNukem
November 11, 2011, 08:19 PM
The first firearm I ever owned was a Ruger Standard(purchased back in 1974 or 75). I had it for a few years before I sold it. Sure, it's better built and more accurate than the GSG1911, but I'd still rather have my GSG than that one.

I currently own 7 handguns, and I shoot the GSG more than any of my others.

cyclopsshooter
November 11, 2011, 09:10 PM
There's just no way that a lowly .22LR is going to have the power to push back a "proper" steel full size 1911 slide

ever used an old colt conversion?

918v
November 11, 2011, 11:01 PM
How can you criticize/give opinions on a gun that you've never owned? Yeah... didn't think so.

Maybe you should think harder. Consumers have the ability to research, examine, and compare. Consumers don't need to own something before being able to offer an opinion about or making a decision to purchase a product.

Bonjour43ma
November 11, 2011, 11:51 PM
^^^ LOL Okay I'll play.

If you did you research, you would've found out that the majority of the reviews for the GSG are overwhelmingly positive, getting better ratings than many other brand-name .22 semi autos. They have gone through minor revisions to correct some of the shortcomings of the very first batch of guns (steel bushing, steel guide rods, polymer recoil pad, just to name a few). Owners are happy with their performance having shot thousands, or tens of thousands of rounds and have had no major issues. Of course there are some reports of issues and malfunctions, but that's as easy as googling "(insert gun name) issues" which is the case for any manufacturer. I can dig up cracked slides and frame photos of Glocks, Sigs, or any other brands, and say that they're crap, too. See how that works?

Given that, you still decided to take a biased opinion and claiming that it is a steaming pile of ****, when in fact the very research that you seem to rely on so much, tells you the complete opposite.

Don't like the gun? Not my problem. But don't tell others that it's a POS because YOU don't like it based on whatever criteria you used, not because it doesn't perform well. Plus, since you don't own and have never used the gun, your opinion on this matter is a lot less valid than those that do own and have used it extensively.

It's hard to take your opinion seriously when you don't own the gun that people are talking about. It's like talking about how a Ferrari California sucks compared to a Porsche Panamera, but you don't even own either one!

918v
November 12, 2011, 12:29 AM
We are not talking about a high end firearm, say a Les Baer vs an Ed Brown. We are talking about something along the line of a HiPoint.

You conveniently left out 2/3 of the analysis. Just because a bunch of individuals are happy with this cheap firearm does not make it a quality product. All it means is there are people who will buy it. I would buy it to give to a ten-year-old kid because only that kind of mentality appreciates something like this. It is a toy, nothing more.

There are people out there who are happy with their Lorcins, Davis and Jennings pistols. Does that make them quality firearms? Would you not rather have a Walther PPK?

I played with it and it reminded me of an airsoft gun.

One of these days someone will make a nice steel 22 caliber 1911.

David E
November 12, 2011, 01:14 AM
name one

quality firearms are machined from forgings or barstock

The Ruger P-85, 89, 90, 91, 93 and 94 all use a cast aluminum frame.

They are regarded to be very reliable and durable. In fact, you stated yourself Ruger is quality. What say you now?

Colt made the "Ace" once upon a time as well as a conversion kit, both out of steel.

Bonjour43ma
November 12, 2011, 01:22 AM
So you're saying you're an elitist that can only use "high end" firearms, and nothing else? Well good for you. Your guns are more expensive than mine, so they must punch paper holes better than the rest of the "crap" that's out there. You just insulted every GSG 1911 owner out there by calling their gun "a cheap toy that only a 10 year old will appreciate"... How kind of you!

For the rest of us average folks, we buy what our budget allows but that does not mean we don't value quality. You seem to have "value-conscious" and "consumer ignorance" confused. These .22 semi autos are for fun, training (for the larger caliber 1911s), and cheap thrills. We're not talking about target rimfire pistols here.

I have a suggestion for you - if you hate the GSG so much, why do you bother coming in here and making a case out of it, just to prove your point (whatever your point is). You don't like it? I don't care, but don't come in here pretending you know what you're talking about because obviously, you don't. :)

918v
November 12, 2011, 03:28 AM
Ruger does not die-cast their aluminum frames. Also, look at the thickness of Rugers casting in comparison to frames machined from aluminum forgings or barstock. Look how unwieldily they have to be. Their ergonomics are horrendous.

I'm not an elitist. I just avoid crap. I wish people wouldn't enable companies like GSG to cheapen the firearms industry. Look at the Marvel conversion. Nice quality. Shoots like a Hammerli for a fraction of the cost.

rondog
November 12, 2011, 03:40 AM
Confucius say - never try to teach a pig to sing. You'll only waste your time and make the pig squeal loudly.

saturno_v
November 12, 2011, 04:03 AM
As an impulse buying, and because I did read many positive reviews, couple of years ago I bought a Chiappa 1911-22.

I took it home and immediately the finishing reminded me of blotched spray paint....did look exactly like the finishing of toy/cigarette lighter guns and such...not etched characters on the slide, just painted over labels....umistakable smell of what I believe is zinc...again similar to the toy guns I played with when I was a kid...I open the manual which says that you had to file a bit the front sight to find your ideal point of aim (from actory the pistol shoot low)...final nail in the coffin, I find out that the pistol is basically based on a blank firing pistol frame....


Never fired a shot, put it back in the original box and I sold it the next day.....it may have been a great working little pistol well worth the money but for me it got the feel of a throw away pot metal crappy gun...there are cheap guns, inexpensive guns, reasonable priced guns and overpriced guns..I try to buy the inexpensive and the reasonable ones....

Sky
November 12, 2011, 10:01 AM
I have been using the GSG 1911 as a training pistol for men and women. Size is a tad bit to big for some of the girls but with both hands they seem to like it. The occasional FTF (for what ever reason) has been a good teaching aid and funny with watching people clear malfunctions; but a good learning experience. IMO the GSG it is on par with the P-22 but is more accurate with less effort due to barrel length.

We will see how the pistol holds up and performs over time.

At $300+ dollars is it a great deal?? There are rifles and 9mm Smiths that can be had for that type of money....but the affordability and the training allowed by the GSG (or any other .22 auto loader) is hard to beat.

As in all things it is a matter of eye appeal and functionality that keeps something around or delegates a weapon to the safe or the gun shop for sale. I personally accept the pistol for what it is and as long as it does not blow up in some one's hand all other short comings can be lived with. Short comings?? It is what it is so enjoy or get rid of it.

I like the pistol because I can hit stuff (4"w x 7"t metal fall down targets) at 30 yards; so can others after a little familiarization and training if they are ever going to become a shooter.

CharlesT
November 12, 2011, 10:08 AM
This hasn't been very high road....

dondavis3
November 12, 2011, 10:09 AM
I own a Sig Sauer 1911 / 22

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx67/dondavis3/Guns/22b.jpg

My Sig is made by GSG for Sig.

It is a great gun.

Very reliable and a joy to shoot.

:cool:

TennJed
November 12, 2011, 06:05 PM
I would buy it to give to a ten-year-old kid because only that kind of mentality appreciates something like this

I'm not an elitist. I just avoid crap. I wish people wouldn't enable companies like GSG to cheapen the firearms industry

Those are pretty ignorant statements and honestly attitudes like that are about as helpful to the firearm industry as anti gun propaganda. In my opinion anything that helps bring people into firearm ownership is a good thing. If people can only afford so called "crap" at least they are on the right side of the fence. If people enjoy shooting so called "toys" more power to them. At least they are enjoying and taking advantage of their 2nd ammendment rights. I for one hope attitudes such as you expressed are not taught to ANY 10 year olds

918v
November 12, 2011, 07:47 PM
If you want to bring people into firearm ownership, there are better choices than the GSG in the same price range, quality guns not novelty trinkets.

wally
November 12, 2011, 07:59 PM
plus it has a fixed barrel so its gonna be more accurate

What makes you think that? Its only the case if the gun is in a Ransom rest, but in normal shooting they are often less accurate because the sights are on the slide making the slide to frame fit critical for accuracy.

Fixed barrel is only half the issue, the other half is having the sights also fixed to the frame and barrel -- like the Ruger, Buckmark, Neos, S&W M22a, etc.

918v
November 12, 2011, 08:24 PM
I disagree. The slide to frame fit is less of an issue than you think being the front of the slide rides the barrel via the barrel bushing. A barrel pressed into the frame is much more sturdy than one secured by a set screw.

tahunua001
November 12, 2011, 08:35 PM
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Dudemeister
November 12, 2011, 09:21 PM
It's interesting to see how a request for feedback can polarize some people. It's also interesting how some folks will so blindly march to their own beliefs in the face of overwhelming public opinion.

My 10 year old mentality voted with my 55 year old checkbook and bought the gun.

I don't think this is a "junk" gun, the fit and finish as as good as the Colt, the balance was better, and the sights were easier to acquire.

As for it being pot metal, I'm really not worried about it. Any gun can have failures, I had a first Gen Walter P99 that the frame cracked, does it mean the gun was "crap", and I'd never buy another one like it? Hell no, the replacement is doing just fine and I think it's a great gun.

What about all the Glock frame failures out there? Does that mean that polymer frames guns are crap? Do they deserve the "Tupperware" moniker?

Everyone can have their own opinions about something, but there is such a think as overwhelming public opinion, and frankly the majority will always win.

David E
November 12, 2011, 09:30 PM
Ruger does not die-cast their aluminum frames. Also, look at the thickness of Rugers casting in comparison to frames machined from aluminum forgings or barstock. Look how unwieldily they have to be. Their ergonomics are horrendous.

I never said Ruger "die cast" their aluminum frames.

The frame ergonomics improved quite a bit with the 93 and 94.

Tho none of the aluminum framed Rugers can be classified as "unwieldy."

918v
November 12, 2011, 09:38 PM
I never said Ruger "die cast" their aluminum frames.

Then why are you bringing Ruger into the mix?

Bonjour43ma
November 13, 2011, 12:59 AM
Why are you still trolling this thread, 918v? We've already established that your opinion is moot on this subject, and that you only use expensive guns. So, why bother? Do you go to every thread that talks about guns that you think are "Crap", and beat that opinion into everyone else's heads?

The GSG 1911 is good enough that Sig Sauer paid to put their logo and name on the gun - that itself speaks more volume than your "opinion" that you seem to think so highly of, but is based on nothing but bias and arrogance.

One more time - don't like the gun? Good for you. Stop posting in this thread. The more you post the more it makes us think that you acutally LIKE the gun, but can't buy one because your buddies will laugh at you for using a "crap" gun that a 10 year old would use.

dondavis3
November 13, 2011, 11:22 AM
@ 918v

You have the worst "style" I've ever seen on your posts.

In case you haven't noticed ... you're not doing so good on this thread.

Every board has it's opinionated "know it all" .. but you go way past a know it all.

Your argumentative, abusive & really enjoy trying to make everyone mad.

Please go away.

It isn't working .. your just showing your ignorance.

:cool:

918v
November 13, 2011, 12:40 PM
Why are you still trolling this thread, 918v? We've already established that your opinion is moot on this subject, and that you only use expensive guns. So, why bother? Do you go to every thread that talks about guns that you think are "Crap", and beat that opinion into everyone else's heads?

Why are you talking about me in a technical forum? This is not a psychology forum. This is a technical forum. We talk about design and materials. You choose instead to talk about me, now that you ran out of ideas.

918v
November 13, 2011, 12:44 PM
John,

Follow your own advice.

918v
November 13, 2011, 01:20 PM
Everyone can have their own opinions about something, but there is such a think as overwhelming public opinion, and frankly the majority will always win.

And that's why firearms will one day be made from pieces of die cast pot metal riveted to a piece of plastic. And the public will be content with that because they don't know any better. I used to think Sig Sauer was the best pistol around until I saw a P210. I used to think that Ruger made the best revolvers until I saw a Freedom Arms. Quality is expensive, but why would anyone pay that kind of money for a GSG when there are Rugers, Brownings, Marvel conversions and a bunch of used alternatives out there?

Why? The novelty of having a gun that looks exactly like 1911. The bottom line is you are paying $250 more than a HiPoint for the novelty. And I get called an elitist snob and a troll for poining it out. And 9mmepiphany, the esteemed moderator, permits this.

Enjoy your toy.

David E
November 13, 2011, 01:33 PM
Then why are you bringing Ruger into the mix?

Because:

1) you said all "good" guns use forged frames. (Glocks/Sigs/XD's/HK's/etc with poly frames must be "crap" by your "standard")

2) you challenged to "name one" good maker that used aluminum frames that were not forged.

3) you cited Ruger as a good maker, apparently ignorant of the fact that they use cast, not forged, aluminum frames.

Since you can't keep up with your own posts, I'll waste no more of my time.

USAF_Vet
November 13, 2011, 01:39 PM
FWIW, I must have the mentality of a ten year old and know nothing about quality. I like my poly framed pot metal Hi Point.

The slide to frame fit is less of an issue than you think being the front of the slide rides the barrel via the barrel bushing. A barrel pressed into the frame is much more sturdy than one secured by a set screw.


You just described my Hi Point. Quite interesting considering my piece of crap poly frame pot metal gun uses such a design.

918v
November 13, 2011, 02:48 PM
Since you can't keep up with your own posts, I'll waste no more of my time.


I said name one in reference to die casting, not forging. Maybe you are the one who can't follow the thread.

918v
November 13, 2011, 02:53 PM
You just described my Hi Point. Quite interesting considering my piece of crap poly frame pot metal gun uses such a design.


Are you insinuating a contradiction?

I'm simply saying that the Umarex has a better design than the GSG, that's all.

Know of any locked breech pot metal guns? Can pot metal withstand the pounding of a locked-breech mechanism?

Dudemeister
November 13, 2011, 03:01 PM
Quality is expensive...

I don't doubt that quality can be expensive, but quality can also be found for reasonable prices. Based on your way of thinking everyone should be driving Porshes and Bentley, but they don't. They'd like to, but can't afford it, and found quality cars for a lot less than those brands in the more mundane Toyotas, Hondas, Fords and GM cars.

...why would anyone pay that kind of money for a GSG when there are Rugers, Brownings, Marvel conversions and a bunch of used alternatives out there?

I'm not sure what you mean by "that kind of money". The gun is rather inexpensive, and I don't know of many 1911 style pistols in .22LR in the $350-400 price range

If you'll remember, I was originally undecided between the Colt and the GSG, and the price difference was only about $50. I opted for the GSG because of the overwhelming positive feedback, and because it "felt" better than the Colt.

As for conversions, I don't have a 1911 in large caliber for conversion. I already own a Browning Buckmark, used to own a Ruger Mark II, and I also won a Walther P22 (pot metal !!), so I don't want another one like those.

Why? The novelty of having a gun that looks exactly like 1911.
Exactly !!!! :)

The bottom line is you are paying $250 more than a HiPoint for the novelty.
Really? So I can get a Hi-Point for $100?? Where?

Enjoy your toy.
YOU BET I WILL !! :D:D

918v
November 13, 2011, 03:26 PM
A HiPoint costs $150.

150 + 250 = 400

Not that it matters.

918v
November 13, 2011, 03:28 PM
Based on your way of thinking everyone should be driving Porshes and Bentley, but they don't.

No, if that were the case, I'd be pushing the Sig P210 22LR conversion.

I want people to drive Fords and Chevys instead of Yugos.

USAF_Vet
November 13, 2011, 06:39 PM
Really? So I can get a Hi-Point for $100?? Where?

If you don't mind used, they are out there. I saw a Hi Point .380 at my LGS for $85. Woulda taken it home if it was the 9mm.

Are you insinuating a contradiction?

Kinda, yeah. simply pointing out the design feature isn't limited to high dollar fire arms.

I'm simply saying that the Umarex has a better design than the GSG, that's all.

Could be, but that's taking personal opinion into perspective. Personally, as lauded as it is, I'm not a fan of the 1911 design platform. Doesn't mean it's design is inferior to another design option, just different.

Know of any locked breech pot metal guns? Can pot metal withstand the pounding of a locked-breech mechanism?

None that I'm aware of. But the idea that locked breach > blow back is a matter of personal opinion. I have a blow back .45 (Hi Point) and a locked breach 9mm (S&W) and like them both for what they are, equally.

Bonjour43ma
November 13, 2011, 07:02 PM
918v, I'm talking about you in a technical forum because the BS you're spewing has no factual base. You are mixing your own personal opinion, a biased one at that, with some knowledge of firearms manufacturing. You are the epitome of an "arm chair expert" that thinks you know everything and what's good for everyone, when in fact, your own arrogance has clearly clouded your judgment. I don't think anyone is taking anything you say seriously now, and have taken the high road by ignoring you, for the most part.

You based your opinion on internet research, but so did everyone else.

If you don't want to talk about crappy guns, be the smart guy that you are and don't post in this thread anymore. The more you continue to post the more it is apparent that you are just looking to stir things up, which you seem to get off of. You are not "educating" others on what crappy guns they shouldn't buy, but instead you are insulting everyone else's intelligence by talking down to them and saying how stupid they are to spend money on "toy guns".

My self, along with many others I'm sure, will be taking the high road on this one because we have better things to worry about than some arm chair firearms expert on an internet forum. Go ahead and continue posting if you want, it spices up this thread a little and keeps things entertaining.

Have a nice day :)

Oh, here's my GSG after 4,000 rounds with fewer hiccups than my buddy's Ruger MKIII Target... Yeah it's such a steaming pile of crap that I can't possibly have any fun shooting it at all. Poor me.
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6052/6288038268_8886043464_b.jpg

918v
November 13, 2011, 08:27 PM
Blah, blah, blah... personal insult... blah, blah, blah... outrageous claim... inserted pic.

OK, die cast potmetal beats forged steel. You win.

918v
November 13, 2011, 08:37 PM
Could be, but that's taking personal opinion into perspective.

Yes, it is. But almost everything posted on this site is personal opinion.

I have a blow back .45 (Hi Point) and a locked breach 9mm (S&W) and like them both for what they are, equally.


And I don't berate you for it. I'm just calling the GSG what I feel it is because it should not be elevated to a status occupied by quality firearms that have decades of flawless service.

Bonjour43ma
November 13, 2011, 08:49 PM
Yes, it is. But almost everything posted on this site is personal opinion.

Thank you, sir! You finally got it! :evil:

Blah, blah, blah... personal insult... blah, blah, blah... outrageous claim... inserted pic.

Ah, we've resorted to using blah blah blah now? You like my pic? Thanks! I take pride in my photography skills. :p

918v
November 13, 2011, 08:58 PM
Ah, we've resorted to using blah blah blah now? You like my pic? Thanks!

Your post was not worth quoting. Your pic is nice. Your photography skillz are outstanding.

Bonjour43ma
November 13, 2011, 09:37 PM
You know, there ARE things that I don't like about the GSG (c'mon, we're not blind and THAT stupid to think that this gun is perfect. No gun is):

- don't like the finish on the slide, looks like paint, so I dura-coated mine
- don't like the mag disconnect
- don't like the plastic sights and mag base plate
- don't like the extra hex screw and pin for field stripping

but I DO like:

- eats almost any ammo you feed it
- accurate for a plinker/range/fun gun
- cheap for a full size 1911 in .22LR
- good intro gun for newbies, espeically women, because they can hit their targets with it and that makes it FUN for them
- 80% parts compatibility with full size 1911s
- good training tool for my .45 1911 at a fraction of the cost, since it's the exact same size and shape
- reliable, for a rimfire semi-auto. I only have 4,000 rounds though mine, but many others have way more and things are still clicking along just fine

But what do I know? I'm just a 10 year old that uses crap guns and can't think for myself :)

Dudemeister
November 13, 2011, 09:43 PM
OK, as the OP of this thread, I think I let this go on long enough.

Bonjour, I appreciate your opinion, as I do 918V's as well. If you guys want to continue this please do so on your own thread, please don't hijack mine.

I wanted this thread to be a source of information to help me with my decision to buy either GSG or a Colt 22. I already made the decision.

If you or anyone else has further information to post based on actual usage and personal experiences, great, if you want to post your opinion on these guns or similar guns, that's fine too, but please be respectful of other people's opinions as well. Trying to impose your opinion on others by calling them names or being condescending and saying that they have the mentality of a 10 year old is not constructive.

Thanks

Bonjour43ma
November 13, 2011, 10:07 PM
Sorry for derailing your thread - my apologies. Long weekend here and got some extra time on the computer :)

Did you pick up your GSG yet? Hope to see some range reports from you soon!

Dudemeister
November 13, 2011, 10:23 PM
Did you pick up your GSG yet? Hope to see some range reports from you soon!

Not yet. My shop placed the order for it. I did the paperwork, but the gun is not expected into the shop until Monday or Tuesday. Once they have it on hand, they can enter the serial number on the paper work, and the 10 day wait begins, so I don't expect to get the gun until Thanksgiving.

However, I will be picking up my Artillery Luger this Thursday, so that will keep me occupied for this coming weekend. :D:D

2wheels
November 13, 2011, 11:01 PM
You know, there ARE things that I don't like about the GSG (c'mon, we're not blind and THAT stupid to think that this gun is perfect. No gun is):

- don't like the finish on the slide, looks like paint, so I dura-coated mine
- don't like the mag disconnect
- don't like the plastic sights and mag base plate
- don't like the extra hex screw and pin for field stripping

but I DO like:

- eats almost any ammo you feed it
- accurate for a plinker/range/fun gun
- cheap for a full size 1911 in .22LR
- good intro gun for newbies, espeically women, because they can hit their targets with it and that makes it FUN for them
- 80% parts compatibility with full size 1911s
- good training tool for my .45 1911 at a fraction of the cost, since it's the exact same size and shape
- reliable, for a rimfire semi-auto. I only have 4,000 rounds though mine, but many others have way more and things are still clicking along just fine

But what do I know? I'm just a 10 year old that uses crap guns and can't think for myself :)

I don't like the hex screw or the mag disconnect either, luckily the mag disconnect takes only a minute or two to remove. Drove me batty every time I'd try to decock the gun at the range to put it away and I'd forget you need a mag to do that... So I got sick of it and just pulled the disconnect out.

David E
November 13, 2011, 11:16 PM
I said name one in reference to die casting, not forging. Maybe you are the one who can't follow the thread.

Ruger does not forge, they CAST. Sheesh!

All this positive talk on the GSG makes me want to check. 'em out, regardless of clueless blathering to the contrary.

I did look at one a few weeks ago and it seemed ok. Will take a closer look next time.

How much are they going for in your area?

Dudemeister
November 13, 2011, 11:43 PM
All this positive talk on the GSG makes me want to check. 'em out, regardless of clueless blathering to the contrary... How much are they going for in your area?

I paid $365 + tax and DROS Fee, so it was about $425 out the door. The shop owner threw in a few boxes of Aguila .22LR ammo too.

I probably could have gotten it cheaper on line, but I prefer to support the local gun shops.

Bonjour43ma
November 14, 2011, 01:22 AM
In the US they should be around $320~$360. In Canada, though, the price has gone up from $350 to $400. Not sure if it's set by our Canadian importer, or by GSG themselves.

Or... you can always pay $50 more to get the Sig version to get some Sig grips and logos, and call it a Sig :)

I don't like the hex screw or the mag disconnect either, luckily the mag disconnect takes only a minute or two to remove. Drove me batty every time I'd try to decock the gun at the range to put it away and I'd forget you need a mag to do that... So I got sick of it and just pulled the disconnect out.

Yup did the same with mine. Got sick of putting a mag in just to drop the hammer so I took it out. Took 2 minutes :)

Sky
November 14, 2011, 10:59 AM
Aimsurplus $329

USAF_Vet
November 14, 2011, 11:47 AM
Seeing that the OP lives in CA, San Fran no less, I'm not surprised you spent a bit more on the gun. One of the many ills of living in CA. In any case, hope you like your gun. Don't let the gestapo get a hold of it. :D

Was yours the Arty Luger with the gold plating I saw in another thread?

Dudemeister
November 14, 2011, 04:24 PM
Seeing that the OP lives in CA, San Fran no less, I'm not surprised you spent a bit more on the gun. One of the many ills of living in CA. In any case, hope you like your gun. Don't let the gestapo get a hold of it. :D

Was yours the Arty Luger with the gold plating I saw in another thread?
That would be mine.

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