[TheMrBillShow]

Review by Bill Schroeder - November 2011

In 2010 Chiappa released the Rhino Revolver. Initially this product was available in very limited supply and quality control was far from stellar. That problem now seems to be solved, and the two Rhinos I now own work flawlessly. I have two of the Model 200D, this is a 2 inch, black, fixed sights, double action only (DAO), with the standard medium grip of a molded "rubber-like" material.

The Rhino's design is revolutionary in that it has the barrel aligned with the BOTTOM chamber of the cylinder rather that the top chamber. It is chambered for the .357 Magnum cartridge, the cylinder release is a "down-press" thumb lever, the six tube cylinder is a hexagon, the trigger is smooth, and almost 1/2 inch wide, the aluminum frame is mid-sized with steel inserts as needed, weight is only 25 ounces, easily concealable size at 6.25L x 4.85H x 1.35W, the grip is at an odd angle, and the grip itself is some kind of rubber.

I'm going to call this design a Bottom Barrel Revolver (BBR, or BB Revolver), it seems like we need a new name for this handgun design.

What I will now tell you about this gun YOU SIMPLY WILL NOT BELIEVE, unless you actually spend an hour with this gun, and shoot 100 rounds through it. I have shot other versions of this gun, and they do behave somewhat differently, specifically the SA/DA version. All of my observations here will be in direct reference to the Rhino Model 200D product, with serial numbers greater than 2800.

This gun generates very little muzzle flip or perceived recoil upon firing, even with 357 Magnum loads at rated at 500-600 foot pounds of energy. This fact, and the unusual ergonomics that cause almost natural pointing of the weapon are the features that make this handgun design unique and desirable.

I want to state something that no one else has put forth about the Rhino because I think they have missed the most important point about this gun. I believe that whether you love or hate this implementation of a BBR, it makes no difference to the fact that this gun is going to change firearms history... It is not that THIS gun is perfect (because it is not)... but it is clearly a PROOF-OF-CONCEPT... After shooting it a bit, even the dim bulbs among us will realize that this BBR design WILL be pursued. Taurus loves to try new things and copy things, with their own twist, so they are likely to be next to offer a BBR, but don't be surprised if S&W, Ruger, Springfield, Colt or some of the minor manufactures offer up their own visions and versions of the BBR after this true proof-of-concept firearm lights a fire under their firearms engineers.

Some users have complained about the trigger on the Rhino. I did try Models 200DS and 400DS that each had serial numbers below 800, and they were terrible in Double Action, and very difficult to cock for use as Single Action. Although after the hard cocking the single action trigger was pretty good. However, I would not own a DS Model of this gun. After you cock it for single action this "cocking lever" (that looks like it is the hammer) goes back to what looks like a definitely uncocked firearm. There is a little red flag that pops up on the left rear of the frame to indicate the cocked condition, and that is fine... IF YOU CAN SEE IT... IF YOU NOTICE IT... and IF YOU KNOW WHAT IT MEANS... This is not a safe system. It would have been just as easy for them to have the "cocking lever" stay back to look like a "cocked" conventional revolver, and then fall forward on firing.

My two Rhinos are the "D" models, which are true DAO guns. They contain none of the SA action system parts or cocker. The triggers on mine are just fine, for self defense use. They are fairly smooth and consistent at 10-12 pounds.

You will learn to shot a Rhino WELL in 30 minutes or less. Even a novice shooter will put all six rounds in a 9 inch paper plate at 25 feet by the end of first box of ammo. You can pull it from its provided holster and fire it before you even raise it and hit a near target, every time. As you raise it to a target it comes naturally to the target, no long term training or weekly practice needed with a Rhino. The weapon is almost magically deadly.

After you have put a couple of boxes of ammo through a Rhino... try this... Load it and pick it up in you WEAK hand and quickly empty it at the target... again you will be deadly with the Rhino, weak handed, no practice. Think about how life saving this could be if your strong hand or arm were injured when critical defense action was required.

Both of my Rhinos have been 100% reliable out of the box. I have fired only factory ammunition, about equal 38 Special and 357 Magnum. Over 2,000 rounds through one and about 1,200 through the other. Both of mine have serial numbers in the 2800's.

It is a fact that it is very, very unlikely for the average person, or even police officer, to ever find themselves in an actual gun fight. But if you are, the chances are very high that it will be a 3-3-3 event... that is - it will last 3 seconds or less, involve 3 or less shots from you, and have your opponent at 3 or less yards of distance... and if that is the case then the perfect weapon for the average person is a BBR in 357 Magnum, loaded with strong 38 +P or moderate 357 defense specific ammo.

This is the ONLY firearm I have ever used where I can confidently say that the average shooter, CCWer, Soccer Mom, or LEO could actually be very effective in its use, every time, even if they shot just a single box of ammo once a year.

The BBR is much more than a fad or a novelty... for CCW and LEO the BBR is a giant step forward... now we just need the BBR design concept to evolve...

As the BBR design develops it would be nice to see a 35-40 ounce version, in all stainless, 4 inch barrel, as a "service" revolver, and a 6 incher for hunters (drilled and tapped for scope mounts or a rail). The 2 inch version that I have would be perfect if it had a little lighter trigger pull, lost about 4 ounces of weight, and lost about 1/8 inch of width.

The .357 Magnum is without a doubt the most versatile revolver chambering, but hopefully the future will bring some different chamberings to the BBR world.

One other thing that must change in the BBR world is the grip availability. My Beretta PX4 Storm pistols all came with 3 backstap inserts. That is what BBR guns are going to need, as the grip size and trigger reach are very important to user acceptance of the BBR design. It must fit you correctly (like a shotgun). A BBR should come from the factory with a medium grip installed (as the Rhino does) and it should be supplied with easily user changeable "small" and "large" versions of the grip, as standard, included accessories. This would make the gun a winner for 90-95% of the market instead of the 40-50% that the gun properly fits with the standard grip. The standard medium grip on the Rhino happens to fit me perfectly, but the trigger reach is way too much for my wife.

If I am ever in a situation where I must be the one forced to stop the continued actions of one or two really bad actors, then I want to be pulling out a 357 Magnum BBR... and for now that means the Rhino 200D.

Last point... a BBR is certainly NOT a full-on "combat" weapon... it is a civilian type emergency defense weapon, suitable for carry and use by persons that rarely engage in weapons training or practice... if I have the need for true battlefield combat weapon, I would always turn to a quality semi-auto pistol in 45 ACP... but that's just me...

~TMBS~

Bill Schroeder - November 2011

[Shadow 7D]

MATEBA auto revolver

[TheMrBillShow]

MATEBA auto revolver
Yes... The MATEBA was a BBR that was basicly developed by the same guy that did the Rhino... but it was not practical... and as a proof-of-concept item all it proved was that a BBR-Auto of that design was impractical, complicated, expensive to manufacture, unreliable and failed in the marketplace... BUT... It was WAY COOL and I wish I had one as a collectors item...

~TMBS~

[kludge]

I'm curious what will happen when the cylinder and the top... er... bottom strap blows, and whether this was or wasn't part of the engineering and development and if it wasn't, why wasn't it. It must have been proof tested somewhere along the way, right?

I'm guessing that the first person who finds out will lose a finger or three.

[barnbwt]

Great review, and congrats on the good luck with the pistol! Anyone else who has shot one of these or has some information the rest of us don't, please post away!

I've been following the progress of these Rhino's for a while, since I really do believe the concept has legs. The designer, Emilio Ghisoni, had lots of great ideas (see matebafan's website for details) but never really achieved widespread recognition, sort of a "Nikola Tesla" of revolvers, I guess. I'm always delighted to hear when someone has takes the plunge and buys one, even more so when it turns out well.

I've had the opportunity to handle a couple (I wish the local range or a friend would get one so I could finally shoot one). One had a good trigger but sloppily done tooling (band saw grooves on the end of the forcing cone, really?) and the other bound up terribly in SA mode (I needed both thumbs to cock it, and I'm used to a DA/SA .357 Smith N-frame). These two were 4" and 5" versions, respectively.

I find it interesting the OP had good experiences with the 2" snubs, because the most glowing reviews I've read on this line of pistols were all on the short barrels. The couple reviews I've seen citing specific issues (QC mainly) with the pistols being reviewed were on the longer barrels. I would think the same guts and tooling would be identical across the product line, but maybe not. It just seems like folks have better luck with the snubs.

Those nasty bits aside; the concept is clearly superior, or at least competitive with the typical barrel configuration. Especially at ranges where the sight offset is less of an issue, the reduced muzzle flip is very advantageous. The aesthetic design of the piece (I happen to like it) is easily the most creative thing in the revolver market in recent memory. The ergonomics are actually quite natural if you are not trained up on traditional revolver controls. The pull down cylinder release is especially pleasant. The grip angle is kinda weird, sort of "pirate pistol" like in that your wrist is rotated forward a bit more than usual, as in pointing a finger at something. It's something I could probably get used to.

As far as safety, the operating instructions clearly show how the pistol should be held to prevent powder burns that are (supposedly) easier to get with the low barrel position. Though not top-est of the line, Chiappa is a legitimate arms manufacturer certified to sell safe, quality arms in America. As an engineer (airplanes, not guns, but I'm learning...), I can assure everyone that Chiappa did their homework on this design's failure mechanisms (they had to to manufacture them legally). Personally, I'm not that much more comfortable with an uncontained explosion being <1" further from my hands. That's why I am careful when I reload, why I don't use wildcat recipes, and why I have health (and liability) insurance.

I'm glad this product came to market, and though I am not brave enough to plunk down cash for one just yet, I think that if/when Chiappa comes out with a version 2.0 it will be fantastic. Designer Emilio Ghisoni had one last stroke of brilliance - make a simpler version of the Unica 6 (or maybe just rip off that Russian pistol of the same name ;)). They just need to:

1. address the QC problems (sounds like they may have already)
2. come up with some simpler clockwork
3. get a better PR person (read up on the bungled RFID mess their distributor got Chiappa into)
4. make a cheaper version (6-800$ is a big gamble) that looks more traditional
5. find and publicize positive reviews like the one at the top of this thread to debunk skeptics

[Princi]

Thanks Kludge, I never thought of that. I will definitely never reload for my Rino. I have one of the earlier 200DS models, and I agree with the comments about it by "Mr. Bill".

For me it was a show and tell piece, and because of my dealer's connections I was the first kid on the block with one. In fact, I don't know of any other of our 800+ club members that has gotten one.

Kludge, I'm still thinking about your post: that is a scary thought. Hopefully the frame below the cylinder would be strong enough and the energy would go out the sides. I may stick to just shooting 38 SPCL factory loads. :)

[BCRider]

I feel that the concept is a good one. However the one I got to handle and dry fire in a gun store had the most horrific trigger feel and weight. I'd still buy one if I KNEW that I could rework the guts to make the trigger pull feel more like a S&W with a Wolff spring kit sort of feel. But until I know that such a thing is doable I just won't be taking the plunge.

And it truly is a shame since it's a superlative concept that is hamstrung by a poor trigger pull.

[TheMrBillShow]

FYI... If anyone finds themselves in the Milwaukee area, I will gladly let them spend some time with one of my Rhino Revolvers... :)

I'm available most any time... with some notice...

~TMBS~

[TheMrBillShow]

I'm curious what will happen when the cylinder and the top... er... bottom strap blows, and whether this was or wasn't part of the engineering and development and if it wasn't, why wasn't it. It must have been proof tested somewhere along the way, right?

I'm guessing that the first person who finds out will lose a finger or three.
I Just examined S&W, Colt, Taurus, all 357, plus the Ruger LCR-357... Small and Medium frame in the Smith and Taurus... Medium only in the Colt... all against the Rhino construction...

There is no doubt... If any one of these guns is going to have a catastrophic failure in my hand I hope it will be the Rhino... Because it looks like my hand will be best protected if the Rhino blows... BUT it also looks like the Rhino is the least likely to fail... The Ruger LCR-357 looks most likely to fail (lightest construction)...

I have no reason to think that a properly mantained Rhino would have a catastrophic failure...

ALL REVOLVER USERS MUST BE CAUTIOUS OF THE CYLINDER GAP GAS BLAST...

~TMBS~

[kludge]

If I were a gun manufacturer, I would be testing my chambers to failure. There's no other way to know how strong the design is.

I want to see pictures of what happened when they filled the case with Bullseye.

[EVIL]

Excellent review; and you definitely get extra points for using the word "bloviating" on a gun board!

[Confederate]

I'd love to see some photos.

I handled one of these recently in a nearby gun store and my two criticisms were 1) it was way too expensive, and 2) it was ugly.

Yeah, I know that guns should be judged on what they do, but ever since time began, weapons and armor were admired for their beauty and craftsmanship. It was said that the wily Odysseus found Achilles at a girl's school (where he was sent by his mother, a goddess, to avoid what we now know as the Trojan War). He placed silks and other wonders on one table in a fair, and on the other he placed spears, swords and other weapons. When he spotted one of the "girls" hefting a sword and admiring it, he grabbed him, and the rest is history!

My library years ago had large books with color photos of Medieval armor and weapons. They were always fascinating because of the beauty. Some were brightly polished, while others had intricate designs. And when I became interested in guns, I visited local gun stores just to see the beauty of Colt Pythons, Gold Cups and emerging stainless guns. That said, I think the Rhino needs to be more affordable and it could use some beautification, to use LBJ's term.

I would like to see some photos, though.

[TheMrBillShow]

kludge wrote:
If I were a gun manufacturer, I would be testing my chambers to failure. There's no other way to know how strong the design is.

I want to see pictures of what happened when they filled the case with Bullseye.

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I'm sure they must do overpreasure testing all the way to failure... They have to know what would happen in a catastophic failure...

I have not researched modern proofing requirements on production guns... I do recall that proofing requirements do vary by country and by certain import / export requirements...

The Rhino cylinder has 2 distinct proof marks on it... and the Frame has 4 distinct proof marks... I used a bright light and a magnifier to look at these... they sure are "purrtee"...

Maybe someone can shine some light on Italian firearms proofing requirements...???

[leadcounsel]

So instead of some of the recoil going up to disperse the kinetic "equal and opposite reaction" it is directed straight back into the palm and wrist of the shooter... No thanks.

And seems like point of impact will be an inch lower than aim...

[AJumbo]

With the bore line lower than that of a traditional revolver, i expect the Rhino exhibits less muzzle flip. I can't make myself believe that a 1" shift in point of impact would be terribly important at the ranges where a snubbie is likely to be employed. I'll gladly try the Rhino
if I should get the chance.

[TheMrBillShow]

So instead of some of the recoil going up to disperse the kinetic "equal and opposite reaction" it is directed straight back into the palm and wrist of the shooter... No thanks.

And seems like point of impact will be an inch lower than aim...

Ahhhhh... you have the physics correct... NOW THINK M16...!!! Eugene Stoner designed the M16 with a line of sight 2 inches above the barrel, this was to lower the line of recoil to directly into the shoulder and thus limiting the off-target muzzle rise... This is one of the main reasons that the M16 is so controllable, and that the AR15 has developed such a huge following...This design should be called a LBR (Low Barreled Rifle)...

The Rhino (BBR) is like a handgun version of an AR15 (LBR) design...

Petite ladies handle the Rhino single handed... no problems... So, unless you are under 5 feet / 110 pounds you would really enjoy shooting the Rhino...

The point of impact varies by your chosen sight picture... But technically it starts out about 1-3/8 low at the muzzle, and then rises to make the first crossing of the line of sight at 25-30 feet (depending on your ammo)... So at 12-15 feet if I aim at the tip of your nose I will hit you 3/4 of an inch higher (just below the bridge of your nose)... don't think that's going to help my target live a whole lot longer...

Keep in mind I do not fancy the Rhino (BBR) as a battlefield weapon... It is a close quarters emergency defense weapon... not an assault rifle or a sniper rifle...

[TheMrBillShow]

I'd love to see some photos.

I handled one of these recently in a nearby gun store and my two criticisms were 1) it was way too expensive, and 2) it was ugly.

Yeah, I know that guns should be judged on what they do, but ever since time began, weapons and armor were admired for their beauty and craftsmanship. It was said that the wily Odysseus found Achilles at a girl's school (where he was sent by his mother, a goddess, to avoid what we now know as the Trojan War). He placed silks and other wonders on one table in a fair, and on the other he placed spears, swords and other weapons. When he spotted one of the "girls" hefting a sword and admiring it, he grabbed him, and the rest is history!

My library years ago had large books with color photos of Medieval armor and weapons. They were always fascinating because of the beauty. Some were brightly polished, while others had intricate designs. And when I became interested in guns, I visited local gun stores just to see the beauty of Colt Pythons, Gold Cups and emerging stainless guns. That said, I think the Rhino needs to be more affordable and it could use some beautification, to use LBJ's term.

I would like to see some photos, though.
Regarding the Price of the Rhino... The Model 200D has an MSRP of $739 and can easily be had for about $650...

S&W 357 Snubbies are not cheap either... MSRP from $729 to $1269...

Regarding "pretty" killing equipment:
I suppose we could ask our Marines to carry Remington 700 ADL rifles into battle... They wouldn't be very effective... BUT THEY WOULD LOOK GOOD...!!!

Here is a link to over 90,000 Images of Rhino Revolvers...
http://www.google.com/search?q=Rhino+revolver+pictures&hl=en&qscrl=1&nord=1&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS383US383&biw=1103&bih=750&site=webhp&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=xdO8ToPHEOrg0QHy0ZTsBA&ved=0CB0QsAQ

Here is a link to over 200 Rhino Revolver video clips and reviews on YouTube...
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Rhino+revolver&aq=f

[dusty14u]

Thanks for the excellent review. The 200 has been on my short list since they came out. I have only handled one and it wasn't in my home state so I didn't purchase it. I love the .357 mag and now it seems to be mated to a controllable platform. I have a SP101 (2-1/4)and it is a tank but the hardest of my SD guns to control.

I do wish I had the opportunity to shoot one but the trigger on the one I tried was ok. Not too much different from the SP101. The size is about the same as I was able to compare it to the SP101.

[JFrame]

I'm glad this product came to market, and though I am not brave enough to plunk down cash for one just yet, I think that if/when Chiappa comes out with a version 2.0 it will be fantastic. Designer Emilio Ghisoni had one last stroke of brilliance - make a simpler version of the Unica 6 (or maybe just rip off that Russian pistol of the same name ;)). They just need to:

1. address the QC problems (sounds like they may have already)
2. come up with some simpler clockwork
3. get a better PR person (read up on the bungled RFID mess their distributor got Chiappa into)
4. make a cheaper version (6-800$ is a big gamble) that looks more traditional
5. find and publicize positive reviews like the one at the top of this thread to debunk skeptics


I am likewise very intrigued by the Rhino, but I think I'm in line with the thinking above. I guess it's a bit of a vicious cycle for Chiappa (and every manufacturer). Regardless of the dollars I'm willing to invest in a gun, I'd want the gun to be just that one step further advanced from proof-of-concept. Hopefully, Chiappa doesn't sink the project, with all its innovations, because they aren't returning sufficient investment on their earlier runs!

I am all for innovation, outside-of-the-box thinking, and pushing the limits of technology -- I guess I just don't want to be the one paying for it... :o


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[Andrew Wyatt]

The rhino holds six rounds, is the weight of a glock 19, and is thicker.

It's neat, but I'm not sure revolutionary is the right word for it.

[JFrame]

The rhino holds six rounds, is the weight of a glock 19, and is thicker.

It's neat, but I'm not sure revolutionary is the right word for it.


Mm...I think that's a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison.

The Rhino is pushing the envelope for what we think a revolver should look and feel like.


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[MachIVshooter]

I'm glad they've worked for you and you like them.

Personally, concept, workmanship and function are irrelevant to me regarding this gun. It's just too darn ugly to live in my home. And I say this owning a Glock.

[Boomie]

I just got one (a 40DS) and am frustrated I can't shoot it until Monday. To address some comments . . .

I think it is pretty.

The trigger is about the same as my S&W 686. DA pull is a little heavier but shorter. It feels more like a striker fired gun, because that is what it is. I can easily do DA, SA, cock it or de-cock it with one hand. I have short, thick fingers so this does not require some sort of long finger reach. The people saying it's too heavy must be used to ultra-light race guns.

Finding a holster is a b*tch. It does fit in my pocket though.

It is the same length as my 3" 686, even though my Rhino has a 1" longer barrel. It is lighter than my 686.

I do wish I had a good holster for it and that I could get a hi-viz front sight for it. Hopefully both will be available in time.

[TheMrBillShow]

I just got one (a 40DS) and am frustrated I can't shoot it until Monday. To address some comments . . .

I think it is pretty.

The trigger is about the same as my S&W 686. DA pull is a little heavier but shorter. It feels more like a striker fired gun, because that is what it is. I can easily do DA, SA, cock it or de-cock it with one hand. I have short, thick fingers so this does not require some sort of long finger reach. The people saying it's too heavy must be used to ultra-light race guns.

Finding a holster is a b*tch. It does fit in my pocket though.

It is the same length as my 3" 686, even though my Rhino has a 1" longer barrel. It is lighter than my 686.

I do wish I had a good holster for it and that I could get a hi-viz front sight for it. Hopefully both will be available in time.
Call Chiappa and order part number 770-515... it is the red Hi-Viz front sight blade for the Rhino... It comes with two new little roll pins and take 30 seconds to install... If I remeber right it was $14.95...

Please come back with comments after you get to the range...

Later... Bill

[TheMrBillShow]

I am likewise very intrigued by the Rhino, but I think I'm in line with the thinking above. I guess it's a bit of a vicious cycle for Chiappa (and every manufacturer). Regardless of the dollars I'm willing to invest in a gun, I'd want the gun to be just that one step further advanced from proof-of-concept. Hopefully, Chiappa doesn't sink the project, with all its innovations, because they aren't returning sufficient investment on their earlier runs!

I am all for innovation, outside-of-the-box thinking, and pushing the limits of technology -- I guess I just don't want to be the one paying for it... :o


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There is definitely a difference in the early Rhino product compared to what is now shipping...

You are correct... Chiappa should step-up and do free retro-fits of whatever they have done to improve the actions of these guns...

Here is a Link to a letter from Ron Norton at Chiappa from over a year ago that talks about Stage 1 , 2 & 3 trigger kits as alternative to the standard trigger set...
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/10/robert-farago/chiappa-prez-responds-to-ttag-rhino-review/

I think they are now producing the Rhino product with the "Stage 1" trigger hardware as standard... and if so, they should retrofit all the early guns...

[InkEd]

It's going to be a curiousity item. It will not be the new wave of technology. I give production another 5-10 years. I am glad you enjoy the firearm but it will IMHO always just have a bit of a cult following and never make it as a mainstream option. I would like to actually shoot one (have only handled them at LGS) because I think it's a cool novelty.

[TheMrBillShow]

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[TheMrBillShow]

It's going to be a curiousity item. It will not be the new wave of technology. I give production another 5-10 years. I am glad you enjoy the firearm but it will IMHO always just have a bit of a cult following and never make it as a mainstream option. I would like to actually shoot one (have only handled them at LGS) because I think it's a cool novelty.
It's is almost scary when people form firm opinions without factual basis...

YOU HAVE NOT YET FIRED THE GUN...!!! (It was Mikey in the Commercial that said "Try it... you'll like it...")

This design is all about the physics that takes place when you touch off a cartridge... You HAVE to actually shoot the gun...

People that totally lacked first hand experiences said the same thing about the telephone, light bulb, airplane, cell phone, automobile, rubber tire and even the home refrigerator... just to name a few major innovations... Even the first repeating rifles were considered a fad (except by those that used them)...

You really have to take a traditional Snubbie and a Rhino, load them with the same 357 ammo and then shoot them one after the other... From a "weapon effectiveness" standpoint it is like comparing a "club" to a "crossbow"... (and I'm sure the first crossbow had it's naysayers too)...

Every person that has expressed the opinion that you have, has done a complete 180 after firing a box through my Rhino... and shooting their first five shot quarter sized group from a snubbie...

Please... "Open the mind... The brain will soon follow..." ~TMBS~2011

[Panzercat]

Not a 357 fanboy, so I'll be waiting for other calibers... Probably for a long time. Otherwise I'd jump on it.

[jehicks87]

I've been wanting a Rhino since they came out. Great design. I don't know if you'll find many 6 o'clock position barrel revolvers out there in 5 or 10 years, because Americans tend to shy away from great bounds in ideas. We're much more traditionalists than we used to be...

It's not a fault of the weapon. It's a fault of the buying public.

[barnbwt]

Not a 357 fanboy, so I'll be waiting for other calibers... Probably for a long time. Otherwise I'd jump on it.
Google "Chiappa Rhino now available in 9mm and .40 S&W"

There are some videos of folks shooting these calibers through a Rhino, with moonclips no less (and for some reason, inserting the moonclips horizontally). I don't know if the moonclip relief is factory, but I believe they are in the process of selling the 9 and .40 models (not on their website last I checked, though).

[Fred in Wisc]

I have not fired one myself, but a lady friend got to shoot one at the last bowling pin event. She said it was it comfortable to shoot and accurate even with 357mag ammo.

Interesting concept, kind of different looking but it works.

[Panzercat]

9mm is virtually a .357 so no luck there. I could roll with a .40, but moonclips... For something so revolutionary, they really need to do what Charter is doing, not go with something so antiquated.

At this rate, I'll either be getting a charter .45acp when it finally comes out or that fun Taurus .454 snubbie. Time or money, whichever comes first.

[Smokin Gator]

The International Revolver Championships are in San Luis Obispo the first weekend in June. Would be a good test. There was one Rhino there last year. Mark

[JFrame]

The International Revolver Championships are in San Luis Obispo the first weekend in June. Would be a good test. There was one Rhino there last year. Mark

I know it's much more the shooter than the tool -- but would you recall how it did in that competition?


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[MachIVshooter]

because Americans tend to shy away from great bounds in ideas goofy designs that result in butt-ugly guns.

There. Fixed it for ya ;)

[jehicks87]

because Americans tend to shy away from goofy designs that result in butt-ugly guns.There. Fixed it for ya
Thanks for making my point for me. ;) :neener:

[hirundo82]

It's an interesting design, but I'd rather spend my money with a company that doesn't accuse their customers of being paranoid nutbars (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/07/29/chiappa-adding-rfid-chips-to-their-guns-mks-suggests-concerned-consumers-wrap-the-revolver-and-their-head-in-aluminum-foil/).

[fireside44]

This design is all about the physics that takes place when you touch off a cartridge... You HAVE to actually shoot the gun...

Lots of guys say this about bullpups all the time but it hasn't made them replace traditional designs. Gun owners seem to be a rather conservative lot and I don't see the thing replacing current revolver designs any time soon.

[Rodentman]

I own a Rhino 40DS SN RH027XX. It had badly off center and weak primer strikes. Dealer sent it back for me and they did some work on the firing pin. It was no better, maybe worse. Sent it back again and the replaced the hand. Now it works.

It's fun to shoot, but I get the feeling that it's a little loose and I'm reluctant to fire a lot of full house .357's thru it. I prefer to shoot .38spl with it. Recoil isn't a big deal, but I'm used to .44 and .50AE so I'm not recoil averse.

I don't know that it's the best gun on the market for the price, but sometimes I have more $ than brains. Still, I don't regret the purchase.

Regarding sending it in twice...no one's perfect.

There are some generic nylon holsters that fit it. I have one but I can't find any # on it to provide.

[MachIVshooter]

It's an interesting design, but I'd rather spend my money with a company that doesn't accuse their customers of being paranoid nutbars.

I'd forgotten about that. Yeah, it was that snarky comment, not the RFID chips, that really did the damage.

Might have been a funny in-house joke, but not something you want to say in a press release intended to address the (justifiable) concerns of your potential customers.

As an aside, while the purpose of the RFID really is a logistical one from a manufacturing standpoint, the concerns over it's Orwellian application are very real. Nothing wrong with a healthy dose of paranoia; Ignorance is bliss, until reality catches up to you.

Regarding sending it in twice...no one's perfect.

Yet companies like Kel-Tec get lambasted for putting out some guns that may need minor DIY modifications.

How come $300 guns get crapped on when they have issues, but $1,000 guns get a pass?

[barnbwt]

In Chiappa's defense, their distributor (MKS, I think) was actually the culprit behind the "tinfoil" line in the press release

Also, the Rhino's shouldn't be going for $1000. I've seen $900 as the crummiest deal for a 6" white rhino (the clear anodize is more expensive than the black, you know ;))

[MachIVshooter]

In Chiappa's defense, their distributor (MKS, I think) was actually the culprit behind the "tinfoil" line in the press release

It was. But they are (or at least were) the exclusive distributor in the US, so they are, by defacto, the stateside embassador for the company.

When an exclusive distributor/vendor/retailer of a product makes a PR blunder, the manufacturer of that product pays for it. Fair or not, that's the way it is. Perhaps Chiappa should have chosen more carefully.

[Jonah71]

I did get the chance to fire a few rounds through the Rhino. I liked it. A lot. Especially the recoil/lack of muzzle flip. Maybe someday after it's been around awhile I may buy one used for a little less cash. I don't really care that it's ugly. My Glocks aren't exactly pretty imo. If money wasn't so tight right now I'd be very tempted.

[Boomie]

Finally got to shoot my 40DS today. Holy Moly! The recoil reduction and accuracy is amazing. Put two boxes through my firearm (one of .38 and one of .357) without a hiccup. I already love this gun.

Now I just need to get some bulk .357 and a holster.

[ErikO]

I've put 50 rounds of .38 Special downrange in a 4" Rhino and didn't like it. Then again, I'm not a wheelgunner and didn't shoot .357 Magnum loads, so YMMV.

[jakescott586]

Good, interesting, and thorough review. However, it will never see the inside of my safe. I respect the innovation, but traditional wheelguns have saved far to many lives to be replaced willy nilly by something so new and unproven. On another note, I believe it is cavalier bordering on irresponsible for the author to encourage the use of any firearm with limited practice. The best firearm in the world is only as good as whomever wields it. To encourage "soccer moms" to use this weapon without a thorough understanding of it is folly. Just my opinion.

[Boomie]

The best firearm in the world is only as good as whomever wields it. To encourage "soccer moms" to use this weapon without a thorough understanding of it is folly. Just my opinion.

I don't think he was intending to say that anyone who picks this up will be an instant expert. I think he was saying that it is a very easy gun to shoot and shoot accurately and was recommending it for new shooters. My experiences thus far would have to agree with that assessment as this is by far the easiest shooting pistol I've shot since I last shot a P7.

[skidder]

I'm curious what will happen when the cylinder and the top... er... bottom strap blows
Good point Kludge.

When a chamber blows on a standard DA revolver the adjacent chambers seem to tag along directing the force upwards, "away from the hand".
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2389892/posts

What happens when a chamber blows on a Rhino? My hand does not want to find out!!

[JHenry]

how much do these cost?

[Smokin Gator]

Originally Posted by Smokin Gator
The International Revolver Championships are in San Luis Obispo the first weekend in June. Would be a good test. There was one Rhino there last year. Mark

I know it's much more the shooter than the tool -- but would you recall how it did in that competition?


Pretty close to last, but unless he had a problem with the gun, I suspect it wasn't really an experienced competition shooter that used the Rhino. Mark

[TheMrBillShow]

how much do these cost?
I think the Rhino Model 200-D has an MSRP of $739...

But it can be had for $650 - $700...

I bought one of mine from Bud's...
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411546227

This is in line with S&W .357 Mag Snubbies...

[JHenry]

thats not too bad i guess

[oldfool]

very interesting review, well written sales pitch

Color me too suspicious, but all 12 1st time posts by new member being such an obvious sales pitch for One New Product, might could be something more than just "I sure like mine".
Which is ok, of course, but it's not an approach which is ever likely to set my feet in motion towards the sales counter.

I agree that the marketing response to the ID chip issue deserves a special blunder award.

Likewise see the pitch that this be a great gun for non-shooters (people who by deliberate choice do not practice shooting) as ill advised marketing technique.
(Taurus pretty much has already worn that theme song way too thin with da' Judge & friends)

I think I will withhold any judgement on the gun itself, along with my dollars, for now.

[JFrame]

Pretty close to last, but unless he had a problem with the gun, I suspect it wasn't really an experienced competition shooter that used the Rhino. Mark


Thanks, Mark!


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[Boomie]

Likewise see the pitch that this be a great gun for non-shooters (people who by deliberate choice do not practice shooting) as ill advised marketing technique.
(Taurus pretty much has already worn that theme song way too thin with da' Judge & friends)

I'm not a first time poster but I can back up most of what the OP said. As far as the Judge comparison - the Rhino is fairly svelte and ergonomic and shoots a full power defensive load accurately. The Judge is large, clunky and shoots a marginal defensive load inaccurately. The claims might be the same, but the reasons behind it are not.

[TheMrBillShow]

More... Thoughts - Clarifications - Bloviating

Yup... I wrote the review... (Original Post)

For the record... I am a 60 year old, retired computer programmer... and I have nothing to do with the firearms industry... I have no ties or financial interest in, or connections with, Chiappa of any other firearms manufacturer, distributor, dealer or publisher... I am selling nothing... except reality... I own a lot of guns and have been a range, trap and skeet shooter for 45 years...

My intent is to promote the design concept of the Bottom Barreled Revolver (BBR)... and not so much to promote the Rhino itself... But the reality is that at this time, the Rhino is the only game in town... But the more attention that the Rhino gets and the greater the sales of the Rhino are, then the more likely it will be that S&W, Ruger, Colt or Taurus may produce a competing product... Remember, first the Taurus "Judge", then along came the competing S&W "Governor"...

This latest BBR concept has resulted in a handgun that is very easy to learn to shoot CONSISTENTLY WELL... and allows the average person to put several shots, from a proven man stopper cartridge, onto a nearby target... and do so quickly and repeatedly... WITHOUT going to the range every week...

Sure... more practice is always better, with almost any tool... but most shooters, and current handgun carriers, simply DO NOT spend enough time practicing... so they need all the help they can get...

With a Rhino, those of you that are really good shooters, and love to practice, will end up being able to shoot the individual buttons off the bad guys shirt, while he and you are running, full speed, through a plowed field... (well OK maybe it is not quite that good... ;) )

It would be great if we were all training 3 days a week in live-fire adversarial simulations... But then most of us are not Navy Seals...

So, give me a small handgun, that fires a .357 Magnum, and yet lets me control it like I am shooting a 22LR, then I'll be smart enough to know that I should be carrying that weapon... Why???... Because I am not a continually trained and practiced Navy Seal... and if that “terrible” moment ever comes, I WANT ALL THE HELP I CAN GET...

If you are 100% certain that you can fire 3 shots in 3 seconds into a moving 9 inch paper plate at just 15 feet AND while imagining the plate shooting back at you, no hearing protection, screaming all around you, and several innocent bystanders down range from the target area (who’ll be hit if you miss the plate)... If you are "good" with all that... then you certainly don’t need a Rhino...

If you get a chance, try a RHINO revolver... I think you will be surprised...

Please try to fire 2 boxes of ammo through a Rhino... It takes 100 rounds to really understand the dynamics of what is going on... and by then you won't believe what a great shot you have suddenly become... (I hope that now someone doesn't accuse me of selling ammo... ;) )

In an attempt to perform better with our handguns, we all do things... like - change grips, change sights, add scopes, port barrels, modify triggers... Why??? All to put a bullet downrange with better, and rapidly repeatable, accuracy... The Rhino will help this occur for you “naturally”, with the help of the laws of physics...

BTW... Someone mentioned the "Judge"... I have no idea what the Taurus "Judge" could actually be the recommended for... Other than a collectors item...

Lastly... If S&W, Ruger, Colt or even Taurus had come out with the Rhino it would already be a major hit in the marketplace, because the firearms media would have massively promoted it because it came from one of their major advertisers... (remember the Judge, the LCP, the LCR, the XDm, etc...)

For those that missed it earlier:

This link will get you to thousands of pictures of the Rhino Revolver...
http://www.google.com/search?q=rhino+revolver+images&hl=en&qscrl=1&nord=1&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS383US383&biw=1103&bih=750&site=webhp&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=8Y7DTubOAuTm0QGdkeGSDw&ved=0CB0QsAQ

This link will take you to dozens of Videos about the Rhino at YouTube...
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rhino+revolver&oq=rhino+revolver&aq=f&aqi=g2g-m2&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=4655l7967l0l8442l14l14l0l0l0l0l196l1953l4.10l14l0

[leadcounsel]

THINK M16...!!! Eugene Stoner designed the M16 with a line of sight 2 inches above the barrel, this was to lower the line of recoil to directly into the shoulder and thus limiting the off-target muzzle rise... This is one of the main reasons that the M16 is so controllable, and that the AR15 has developed such a huge following...This design should be called a LBR (Low Barreled Rifle)...

As someone that is proficient with revolvers and the M16/M4, that is a poor comparison.

The M16 at point blank range WILL shoot 2" low if the sights are zeroed at 25 meters. The ONLY way that the sights work with the 2" difference is because the shooter zeros them. With a handgun at point blank range or out to typical handgun ranges, having the sites an inch higher than the barrel equals a 1" offset on Point Of Aim. This could be critical and equal a miss.

[Lightsped]

I too am interested in a Rhino. I'd like a snub version in black. Would that be the 20DS? As far as size goes, how do these compare to the current S&W 442/642 5 shot snubs?

Also, I've poked around and can't find any Rhinos in the $650 range.

[TheMrBillShow]

I too am interested in a Rhino. I'd like a snub version in black. Would that be the 20DS? As far as size goes, how do these compare to the current S&W 442/642 5 shot snubs?

Also, I've poked around and can't find any Rhinos in the $650 range.
Used $499 (Starting Bid)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=260853426

New $649 (Starting Bid)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=260698441

New $686 (Free shipping, to Tax, In Stock)
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411546227

I bought one from Buds... a 200D - NOT a DS (I would not buy a current model DS)

The Rhino dimensions and weight are in my review... The S&W specifications are on their site... But you are comparing apples to oranges... the S&W 442/642 are J-Frame revolvers (Small) the Rhino is a Mid-Frame revolver not a Small...

The controllability of a J-frame 357 and a Rhino are not even "on the same planet"...

[oldfool]

Enthusiasm for whatever you like is easily understood, but...

"be very effective in its use, every time, even if they shot just a single box of ammo once a year."
real, real bad bet, betting on any magic gun or any magic bullet, no matter what it is

"most shooters, and current handgun carriers, simply DO NOT spend enough time practicing... so they need all the help they can get..."
TRUE statement, but the help they most need cannot be bought in a box, any box

"all training 3 days a week in live-fire adversarial simulations... But then most of us are not Navy Seals..."
No, we are not, but it is terribly naive to not recognize the vast gap in between Seal training and 50 rounds or less a year. Most of us are fully capable of finding a reasonable middle ground.

It takes a mighty leap of faith to suppose that hardware is somehow a substitute for responsible behavior, and it ought be acknowledged that carrying a firearm ought carry personal responsibilities along with it. Spinning the notion that people can or should ignore that, and just "buy magic in a box" is not something that I can empathize with, no matter what too many may do or not do, no matter who is selling the pitch, or why.

I am happy you like your gun.
I am happy if more people like 'em and buy 'em.
(I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on Colt or Springfield to jump on it, though)

If it is 'zero recoil', fine. Encourage people to buy 'em by touting no-pain high round count practice sessions, not "no practice required". Practice is good, sell practice along with selling the gun. You may not be able to sell both, or either, but that's no good reason to not try.

Enjoy
Be well, shoot well, and always mind your backstop

[TheMrBillShow]

Another reviewer's opinion... worth reading...

http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/chiappa-rhino-revolver-review/

[JohnBT]

I won't be getting one. I'm happy with the barrel up top as far away from my hands as possible. The claimed benefits don't outweigh that one big drawback for me.

John

[oldfool]

I am with you, JohnBT
besides, one ragged hole is one ragged hole; that old fashioned stuff still works pretty good
(practice required)

now, if somebody would do something in a small frame all STEEL DA gun with an LCR type trigger, I would probably just have to give it a whirl

[dallascj]

I'm curious what will happen when the cylinder and the top... er... bottom strap blows, and whether this was or wasn't part of the engineering and development and if it wasn't, why wasn't it. It must have been proof tested somewhere along the way, right?

I'm guessing that the first person who finds out will lose a finger or three.
Good point. That happens ALL the time with other revolver designs:rolleyes:

[JFrame]

Went to the National Gun Show in Chantilly, VA, this past weekend.

Not that I expected to see one -- but not a Chiappa Rhino (or any other revolver of that make) in sight.

It's pretty evident that the whole country has gone semiauto-crazy. The array of semiautos seem to outnumber wheel-guns about 15-to-1.

Which is not necessarily a down-side for us wheel-gun fans -- it does make it easier to pick one's way through the show... :p

Don't want to hijack this thread, but just to mention that I stumbled on a S&W Governor for $579 (a great price locally). My wife shooed me away, and the next thing I know, she'd filled out the paperwork and wished me an "early Merry Christmas"... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/yahoo.gif


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[kgpcr]

very interesting concept. Not sure it peaks my interest. I will stick with my Colts and Smiths.

[TheMrBillShow]

I am with you, JohnBT
besides, one ragged hole is one ragged hole; that old fashioned stuff still works pretty good
(practice required)

now, if somebody would do something in a small frame all STEEL DA gun with an LCR type trigger, I would probably just have to give it a whirl
The BBR design "might" be more dangerous in a catastrophic failure... I don't know... But I am certain that the width of the frame bottom directly under the cylinder is over twice as wide on the Rhino as it is on the J-Frame or LCR... (it's almost twice that of a K-Frame)

Also, until I actually know of a Rhino really having a catastrophic failure it is very hard for me to factor what "has never happened" into any logical decision making...

There were over 32,000 traffic fatalities in the U.S. during 2010... Therefore, I assume that those of you that won't own a Rhino "for your safety" do NOT own those deadly automobiles, and you certainly would never operate one of those "proven deadly" machine designs...

IMHO - "Life is a set of Possibilities, Probabilities and Odds... but the inevitable end result is always the same..." ~TMBS~ 2011

As for the LCR having a desirable trigger... I have a LCR-357... and in a direct comparison both of my Rhinos have a slightly "better" DA action then my LCR (and yes, the LCR is VERY GOOD)... The Rhino is a bit smother, a little less hump, and a noticeably crisper and flatter release... the average pull weight is very close on both types, but the perceived pull on the Rhino is about 2 pounds less because the trigger face is almost 1/2 inch wide...

Remember, there has been some major changes in the Rhino trigger system... "early" versions are terrrible... current DAO Model-D types are now great... I am not sure at what serial number these changes were made... but mine are both in the 2800's and are in the "great" category...

I reiterate my position... (I know that Buy and Try rhyme but they are not the same)... I don't care if you ever BUY a BBR... but if you have the chance... Please... Do yourself a favor, and TRY a BBR...

[Idlethyme]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

According to my contact at Chiappa’s Dayton facility, Stage One Trigger Kits have been installed on all Chiappa Rhino revolvers since serial number RH 01900.

Ron Norton, President of Chiappa USA, has stated: “I have a Stage 1 kit installed in my personal gun, a 2” DAO version of the Rhino. Even though the Stage 1 claims a reduction to 10-12 pounds DA pull, with a little extra work, my Rhino has a silky smooth 7 pound DA pull and I have found no ammo that it won’t ignite.” I am not sure what that extra work is and who does it, but it’s apparent that one can customize the trigger pull with a little effort.

I have had the opportunity to test the trigger pull on the 200D (with the factory-installed Stage One Trigger Kit but without Norton's aforementioned adjustment) and found it to be smooth and easy. Even though the trigger pull was probably in the ten to twelve pound range, it seemed much less. Perhaps the wide, flat surface of the trigger contributes to the perception of an easy pull.

In a previous hyperlink of assorted videos posted by TheMrBillShow, there is this PR video of Chiappa’s Italy facility (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9PcueBrsUw). In it they mention proof testing their product as part of their quality control. It would appear that any concern related to risk of blowing out the bottom of a cylinder has to rank with winning the lottery or walking across a street. In terms of risk management, anyone concerned about this kind of event must not have much to worry about.

In addition to the barrel being aligned to the bottom of the cylinder, another feature I like about the Rhino is the ability to fire either .357 Magnum and .38 Special caliber cartridges. This allows me to select a cartridge that delivers a muzzle energy from its two-inch barrel from as low as 160 ft-lb, to as high as 650 ft-lb. The obvious benefit is finding a cartridge that produces the best recoil for my use.

I find the Chiappa Rhino to be one exceptionally, well-designed revolver and will be adding one to my collection soon.

[AirForceShooter]

It just looks so Wrong!!!!

AFS

[TheMrBillShow]

It just looks so Wrong!!!!

AFS
But it "feels" SOOOOOOO Right...!!! :D :D

...It's almost like the bullets "just go" exactly were you look...

Just put another 300 rounds through mine... :)

Targets are becoming useless...
...all I end up with are jagged holes the size of a quarter... ;)

[beag_nut]

To: MrBillShow,
I for one applaud your first post (review) very heartily. I also believe the Rhino is revolutiuonary. I thought of this layout maybe ten years ago, but have no way of developing it, and am a little afraid of building something without the right knowledge beforehand. I love that the Rhino has hit the market, and that a few, at least (like you) like the concept and results. My ONLY criticism of the design is the great number of internal parts to achieve the end result (and maybe the use of alloys other than steel). I too hope that other makers put their toes into this water, and perhaps design the internals somewhat more simply.
Again, hurrah for you for your courage.

[XD Fan]

I got my hands on one in a gun store today, and it does feel incredibly right. I would reallly love to shoot one. Thanks for the review, Mr. Bill.

[Jim NE]

From a "weapon effectiveness" standpoint it is like comparing a "club" to a "crossbow"...

I've enjoyed reading the comments on this thread, and I'm sure that the Rhino is a good gun with many merits.

The problem, as I see it, is that although the revolver (as a category of firearm) may still be very popular, it's still somewhat old school when compared to advanced modern semi-autos. Most Police officers don't carry revolvers anymore. When my friend got on with the FBI in the late 80's/early 90's, they were still issuing their agents model 13's or 19's or something. Those are and always will be beautiful guns, but they're old school when compared to the best of modern semi-autos. (I should mention, I STILL like revolvers better than semi-autos, so I'm not saying this out of personal bias.)

So your analogy may be appropriate...the Rhino may be the modern equivalent of a revolutionary advancement in crossbows, but since the crossbow is no longer the weapon of the future, the revolution isn't all that revolutionary. Now if they could make a revolver that shoots 20 rounds at a time, that would be revolutionary.

I don't dislike something just because it's different; I love old Studebaker cars, but I see the RHINO as more likely being something that's cool and unique and innovative than something that's earth-shattering.

[Boomie]

Went to the National Gun Show in Chantilly, VA, this past weekend.

Not that I expected to see one -- but not a Chiappa Rhino (or any other revolver of that make) in sight.

There was one seller who had a bunch to the left just as you entered the door. Really good prices too. It's the second time I've seen them at that show (same table location).

[JFrame]

There was one seller who had a bunch to the left just as you entered the door. Really good prices too. It's the second time I've seen them at that show (same table location).


Are you kidding? I missed them??? Auurgghhh!!! :cuss:

Oh, well -- on the bright side, I was able to score another odd-looking revolver (a S&W Governor -- an early Christmas gift from my wife). :o

Anyway, thanks for the heads-up, Boomie -- I'll know where to look next time (I'm assuming somewhere near where they were collecting the door-prize entry forms...).


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[TheMrBillShow]

I've enjoyed reading the comments on this thread, and I'm sure that the Rhino is a good gun with many merits.

The problem, as I see it, is that although the revolver (as a category of firearm) may still be very popular, it's still somewhat old school when compared to advanced modern semi-autos. Most Police officers don't carry revolvers anymore. When my friend got on with the FBI in the late 80's/early 90's, they were still issuing their agents model 13's or 19's or something. Those are and always will be beautiful guns, but they're old school when compared to the best of modern semi-autos. (I should mention, I STILL like revolvers better than semi-autos, so I'm not saying this out of personal bias.)

So your analogy may be appropriate...the Rhino may be the modern equivalent of a revolutionary advancement in crossbows, but since the crossbow is no longer the weapon of the future, the revolution isn't all that revolutionary. Now if they could make a revolver that shoots 20 rounds at a time, that would be revolutionary.

I don't dislike something just because it's different; I love old Studebaker cars, but I see the RHINO as more likely being something that's cool and unique and innovative than something that's earth-shattering.
All reasonable opinions...

But even leeches and maggots have found their way back to niche uses in "modern" cutting-edge medicine...

Shoot the Rhino, and the "beauty of the beast" will become apparent... (and unmatchable by any current semi-auto pistol)...

[lizziedog1]

Call me cheap, call me superficial, but it is one ugly gun. I will not spend money on any gun that I find repulsive. It could be the greatest design ever. It could save my hide in a dark alley.

But, there are certain guns, based on looks, that I refuse to own.

[TheMrBillShow]

To all that have any interest in the Rhino Revolver...

This is a link to a new in-depth review of the Rhino, with lots of pictures and very good commentary... Plus a video... This is a must read...

http://gunsumerreports.com/review_chiappa_rhino_60ds_p1.php

Enjoy...

[lloveless]

I haven't seen one, they cost way too much for my budget, they are ugly, and by the way where are all those H&K P7's everyone raved about? Glad you like yours Mr Bill. I'll stick with what I have.
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[trex1310]

The last time I bloviated I had drank a gallon of draft beer
in about an hour and ended up on all fours.

[TheMrBillShow]

..."The Rhino is the first carry revolver that I've shot that I would load with .357s and not worry at all about recoil. An underbarrel revolver is an idea long overdue, and designs like the Rhino are the future of revolvers."...

The quoted text above is the last two sentences from a review of the Chiappa Rhino 200DS, by Handgun TV's Host James Tarr, it appears in the Feb/Mar 2012 Issue of Guns & Ammo Handguns Magazine, Pages 58-60...

Here's just some of James Tarr's Curriculum Vitae... James Tarr has worked for two metropolitan Detroit police departments before becoming a private investigator in 1995. He has been shooting pistols competitively for almost twenty years, and currently holds a Grand Master classification from the United States Practical Shooting Association (USPSA)...

Unlike posters that have never even fired the Rhino... James has the credentials and hands-on experience to voice an expert opinion that you can rely on... and he does so in his very favorable review of the Rhino...