Hornady .45 XTP vs pig.


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Japle
November 11, 2011, 04:13 PM
Last Wednesday, I went hog hunting west of Lake Okeechobee here in Florida. I got a fair-size boar, maybe 160 lbs with two shots out of my S&W 625JM. I was using handloads, because the Smith is set up for competition and won’t set off a lot of the factory loads I’ve tried. My load was the Hornady 230 gr XTP at 860 fps. This is a lower velocity than the Hornady +P factory load which they list at 950 fps.

I took both shots from 30-40 feet. The hog was in dense brush, but I had a reasonably clear shot each time and the shots went where I called them.

First shot was through the upper part of the front leg and into the body. The bullet broke the leg bone and was found under the skin on the opposite side, having passed through the torso. The pig ran amazingly fast on three legs and into another patch of brush.

Second shot hit low on the neck and went through the torso. It was also found just under the skin on the off side. The pig ran another 60 yds or so and fell.

Here’s a pic of the ammo and both bullets:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/Japle/Guns/XTPvspig.jpg

As you can see, the bullet that hit the leg bone deformed quite a bit. The one that missed bone hardly expanded at all. I could easily reload it and shoot it again.

While I’ll admit my load was about 90 fps lower than Hornady’s claimed +P velocity, I was very unimpressed with the XTP’s performance. Hornady claims the XTP delivers, ”controlled expansion to 1.5x its original diameter over a wide range of velocities”. They also state that the, “heavier jacket stands up to the high pressures and velocities of the highest performance handgun cartridges”. I believe that second part.

OK, so I loaded the ammo too light for the bullet I was using. Lesson learned.

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RyeDaddy
November 12, 2011, 10:01 PM
Meh, pig harvested and valuable data for the rest of us. I'd call it a win, thanks for sharing the pic.

MCgunner
November 12, 2011, 10:14 PM
I haven't tried an XTP in .45ACP, but do load the 300 grain XTP in .45 colt to 1200 fps. :D It's all I need. I bought the Blackhawk because I didn't trust the .45ACP loaded hot as I could to be enough if a large pig got away from the dogs while I was trying to slit its throat. I don't hunt that way anymore. I've used the .45ACP to put down pigs in the trap, but they can't get at me to bite back. :D

Jeff Holt/
November 12, 2011, 10:34 PM
We build a 250 XTP-HP in 45 Colt for the big Rugers and T/C Contenders. Definitly not a
cartridge for Gramp's Antique Colt 45. This round is loaded for over 1400fps from a pistol.
I would expect one well placed shot to do the trick.

A customer of mine called me recently and reported he hit the ten ring with eight shots in row at 100 yards with open sights using his Model 92 lever gun.
Now, thats a bullet I'd use for Hog hunting, or bear, or about anything on the North American continent.

A 230 gn XTP isn't going to open too much at a velocity of ~ 850 fps.

RatherNotSay
November 12, 2011, 10:35 PM
give these guys a try next time

http://www.swampfoxgunworks.com/swampfox/home.php?cat=262

Cycletroll
November 13, 2011, 12:06 AM
I load XTP's in a lot of calibers/weights and have found that the 230gr .451 really requires about 950-1000fps to reliably expand.
Might want to pump up that load a bit. Your 625 will easily handle .45 super level loads and the XTP will perform more to your liking. Or, try Speer Gold Dots, they expand more reliably at lower speeds.
Frankly for Hogs I'd stick to a WFN hard cast. Hunters Supply makes a nice 275gr that I load to 1075 in standard Winchester ACP brass with IMR 800x and that thing will go through any hog on earth!

RatherNotSay
November 13, 2011, 01:52 AM
A nice 10mm would do wonders :D

MCgunner
November 13, 2011, 09:23 AM
The .357 magnum 180 XTP is pretty danged effective on pigs out of a 6.5" Blackhawk at 1400 fps, too. :D Still, if I'm danger close to a pig, I want my .45 Colt. :D

critter
November 13, 2011, 01:08 PM
I have some XTP-magnum bullets loaded up to steam along quite well from my FA .454. I am currently carrying it during deer season and intend to give them a try when I get the chance. I will report the results when/if I get some.

buck460XVR
November 13, 2011, 03:19 PM
We build a 250 XTP-HP in 45 Colt for the big Rugers and T/C Contenders. Definitly not a
cartridge for Gramp's Antique Colt 45. This round is loaded for over 1400fps from a pistol.
I would expect one well placed shot to do the trick.

A customer of mine called me recently and reported he hit the ten ring with eight shots in row at 100 yards with open sights using his Model 92 lever gun.
Now, thats a bullet I'd use for Hog hunting, or bear, or about anything on the North American continent.


It seems to me according to Hornady's own charts, that the 250 gr .45 caliber XTP is at the upper limits of it's intended velocity outta the pistol @ 1400+FPS and at the increased rifle velocities may be a a bit fragile for tough hogs and other game larger than small deer. I would tend to think that the 240 and 300 gr XTP Mags designed for .454 and .460 velocities, would be better suited for Hog hunting, or bear, or about anything on the North American continent. But that's just me.

youngda9
November 15, 2011, 12:11 PM
Check out the velocity performance chart of the XTP bullets.

http://www.reloadbench.com/downloads/pdf-files/horn/Hornady_Bullets_Handgun.pdf

According to the chart...for a 240 grain .45 bullet(you said 230gr?) the MINIMUM velocity for any expansion is 800fps...and that's about the velocity the bullet was going once it hit the hog. Bullet #2 you shot was just barely starting to expand. You are not driving the bullets fast enough to get reliable expansion.

Don't fault the bullet...they are AWESOME hunting bullets if used correctly.

Japle
November 15, 2011, 08:00 PM
You are not driving the bullets fast enough to get reliable expansion.

Yeah. That's what I said in my OP.

fluffi
November 15, 2011, 08:44 PM
I've shot both pigs and deer with hornandy and other pistol bullets.Expansion of these bullets in game is some what mythical and not very consistant.its not just hornandy,its most of them.We routinely shoot deer with a saboted pistol bullet out of muzzle loaders exceeding 1600 fps,and still get iffy expansion on soft tissue shots!My two cents worth:D

gbran
November 16, 2011, 12:24 AM
I shoot 300gr XTP's out of my 454 SRH. I usually don't get big expansion, which is OK by me. I'm guessing that the the bigger the expansion the lesser penetration you get. The XTP seems a happy medium.

Ridgerunner665
November 16, 2011, 01:19 AM
Yep...I've taken a few deer with 230 XTP's...all of them exited the deer except 1. Mine were loaded to 830 fps. The one XTP that I did find was a mercy killing of a doe that had an arrow sticking through her guts.

I didn't put the arrow in her, I spooked her from behind the round bales while I was feeding the horses...she was running away from me and I shot her in the pelvis to stop her, it worked...finished her with a shot through the back of her head.

The bullet that went through her pelvis.....was lodged in her right lung, expanded to .62"

XTP's were designed to penetrate, they were the first bullets to pass the FBI tests back in the day...they will expand at lower velocity, but they do it slowly and may well exit before getting all the way there.

XTP's are all I shoot in my 45acp's...expand or not, they feed 100% in darn near any pistol, and they are ACCURATE.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc137/Ridgerunner665/126_2642.jpg

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