First deer with my AK-47


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walking arsenal
November 12, 2011, 10:18 PM
Typically I hunt with a 30-06 but this year I decided to shake things up a bit so I brought my AK along instead.

It worked well.

With its folding stock, 3 point sling, and short 16" barrel I found it to be much more comfortable to carry around all day than my 26" barreled deer rifle.

The iron sights where nice as they can't fog up like my scope is prone to do.

Since it is an AK I also wasn't as worried about banging it on something as I was climbing stands or getting on and off the ATV.

The shorter range of the AK and it's moderate accuracy provided somewhat of a welcome challenge. Deer are plentiful in our area and I've often felt over the past years that I was going deer shooting rather than hunting.

Using the AK made me feel like the deer where getting more of a sporting chance while forcing me to pick and choose my shots more carefully.

In the end I bagged a small buck that will be nice eating for me and the wife. The Wolf brand 124 grn pointed soft points proved effective enough and actually did less damage to the deer than my 30-06 does. The shot was a ~50yrd clean, heart and lungs, through-and-through shot and the deer expired quickly.

All in all I would use the gun for deer again.

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Michael R.
November 12, 2011, 10:20 PM
im glad to hear you got your deer. it sounded like it was a pretty challenging shot with the ak-47 iron sights. if you want greater accuracy throw some tech sights on it http://www.tech-sights.com/ nice job! i hope he tastes good:)

Onmilo
November 12, 2011, 11:06 PM
Outstanding!:)
I love it when folks use "Evil" rifles for sporting purposes!

FIVETWOSEVEN
November 12, 2011, 11:12 PM
Only hit with one shot? What happened to the other 29 rounds in your full auto spray from your banana clip?

KAS1981
November 12, 2011, 11:42 PM
Nice. 7.62 should be a good deer round.

JSpear
November 12, 2011, 11:44 PM
Congrats!!! I hope to get me a deer this season also

helitack32f1
November 13, 2011, 12:09 AM
The last dear I got was using my SKS carbine. I can fully identify with the handy nature of a small carbine-sized weapon. I think the 7.62 is a great deer round. I too got mine in one shot at about 70 yards. Plus, I didn't have to worry about scratching it or banging it around like I do with my more expensive deer guns. Glad to hear I'm not the only one.

NOLAEMT
November 13, 2011, 12:12 AM
Only hit with one shot? What happened to the other 29 rounds in your full auto spray from your banana clip?
I believe the current term is "assault clip"

Friendly, Don't Fire!
November 13, 2011, 12:18 AM
Great job!
I am into handgun-hunting, like you mentioned, it makes the rifleman have to pick his/her shots according to the equipment they are using!

I would like to eventually bag one with my 500 Magnum (4" barrel) with the 275g Barnes Solid Copper XPB's (X-Pistol-Bullets) I found the gun likes best!

That load is not a hot load at all, so I am kind of giving both the gun and my body a break from the feeling of just having a car-accident.

walking arsenal
November 13, 2011, 12:28 AM
Only hit with one shot? What happened to the other 29 rounds in your full auto spray from your banana clip?

I was short on bananas so I only used a five round banandolier.

kingkeoni
November 13, 2011, 12:30 AM
I use the 7.62x39 to hunt as well.

My rifle is a Saiga SGL21 with an ultimak rail and Bushnell TRS25 red dot.

100 yards and in, 124 grain soft points are perfect for me. Accurate and deadly.

FIVETWOSEVEN
November 13, 2011, 12:40 AM
I was short on bananas so I only used a five round banandolier.

What's the mag cap limit in MN for a semi? Did you block off part of the mag?

walking arsenal
November 13, 2011, 12:48 AM
There isn't one. However I have a 5 round mag for my AK that I used this weekend.

JShirley
November 13, 2011, 01:50 AM
What state lets you use a full-auto to hunt? Unless you're not actually using an AK-47?


If this seems like quibbling, how many of you would just accept it if told someone had taken "their M16" to hunt?

I think the 7.62x39 with the right bullet is a fine short-range deer round. I bought a single-shot Rossi for my gf to hunt with~ unfortunately, the Rossi doesn't strike hard enough to reliably ignite even US ammo. :(

John

walking arsenal
November 13, 2011, 11:16 AM
It is quibbling. And I take offense at a moderator attempting to take my thread off topic over something so trivial. I would recommend opening another thread on the topic "is the AK an AK" but since we went there anyway and this thread is probably going to be hopelessly derailed from here on I'll toss in my $.02.

*Puts on his quibbling hat and monocle*

My AK is a Romanian SAR-1. It still has some of the full auto fire controls still in it. The only thing that separates it from a "real AK" is that they skipped a step in the machining process to make it semi auto only. In short, it's lacking the two holes for the rest of the full auto mechanism and the parts needed to make it full auto. That's it.

The AR-15 is a different animal. It's built from the ground up as a semi auto only rifle. The fire control parts are barely similar to its full auto cousin the M-16. The sears, lower receiver, safety selector, and bolt carrier would all need to be machined and/or changed out to make it full auto. Even still the two rifles share an %80 parts commonality.

If my SAR-1 and my AR-15 were laying side by side their military issue full auto counter parts the layman wouldn't be able to tell them apart. Only those of us who are more knowledgeable and know the inner workings can tell the difference and even then it's fuzzy. Patrick Sweeney, writer for "Gun digest" wrote an entire book on the AK and never indicates that there is a difference except for the mechanical one. He spends the entire book referring to the Semi-auto only AK as "The aK-47".

I suppose I could start calling imy AK a SAR-1 but really that's only the name used by importers in an effort to lose the evil association of the AK-47 name. If I call it that then shouldn't all the other Semi-auto only AKs be called the same thing? In reality nearly everyone calls a Semi-auto AK, an AK.

4v50 Gary
November 13, 2011, 11:28 AM
Infallible proof that the 7.62 x 39 mm is an effective deer round and the AK may be used as a deer rifle.

animator
November 13, 2011, 11:42 AM
This thread needs more pics of deer on the ground next to the AK-47 that shot them... for the "you don't go hunting with an AK" crowd...

walking arsenal
November 13, 2011, 12:03 PM
It's true. I dropped the ball there. I didn't get any pics.

Pony Express
November 13, 2011, 12:39 PM
congrats!

Deer are plentiful in our area and I've often felt over the past years that I was going deer shooting rather than hunting.

I'd like to go there! on the state land where I usually hunt deer are few and far between

walking arsenal
November 13, 2011, 02:22 PM
We manage for them to get them that way.

We plant habitat, pack trails for them to get around on with our snowmobiles, and occasionally feed them when winters are really harsh and the snow is deep.

In the end the payoff is a well managed heard that provides a lot of meat for our family every season.

It's a good arrangement.

paramedic70002
November 13, 2011, 04:06 PM
Impossible. Bill Engvall said you can't hunt deer with an AK. 60 bullets tear the meat all to pieces.

walking arsenal
November 13, 2011, 04:22 PM
Yeah. But I only hit'em with the one so the meat is still good.

WNC Seabee
November 13, 2011, 04:30 PM
It is quibbling. And I take offense at a moderator attempting to take my thread off topic over something so trivial.

+1. Needless quibbling and not very High Road, especially from an Admin.

Congrats on the deer and taking on a new challenge. I'm using a revolver this year for much the same reasons; getting back to hunting vs shooting.

walking arsenal
November 13, 2011, 05:16 PM
It's a good feeling Seabee.

The idea came to me a couple seasons back when I surveyed a field with a heard of deer and then looked at my rifle and realized I could literally have my pick out of the heard. All of a sudden it all didn't seem very sporting to me anymore.

I like to think the prey and predator should have a pretty equal chance at succeeding.

animator
November 13, 2011, 06:49 PM
It's a good feeling Seabee.

The idea came to me a couple seasons back when I surveyed a field with a heard of deer and then looked at my rifle and realized I could literally have my pick out of the heard. All of a sudden it all didn't seem very sporting to me anymore.

I like to think the prey and predator should have a pretty equal chance at succeeding.




You could go all out "Predator" style, and make sure the deer all have weapons of their own before killing them... :)

walking arsenal
November 13, 2011, 07:58 PM
I tried that. They just ran away! Can you believe it? The cowards!

USAF_Vet
November 16, 2011, 04:32 PM
For the Predator mode, you really need a 3 dot laser sight and shoulder mounted energy pulse cannon mounted on your shoulder.

In any case, congrats on your kill. I can't hunt with a centerfire rifle in my area, slug guns and front stuffers only. Looking forward to getting into the blind next week.

okiewita40
November 16, 2011, 08:00 PM
To the OP congrats on getting a deer with your AK. I will be using my SKS for deer hunting this weekend. I think the 7.62x39 round is just fine for deer. A lot of people compare the x39 round to the 30-30. So my thinking is if the 30-30 is fine for deer so is the 7.62x39.

helitack32f1
November 16, 2011, 10:22 PM
I think 7.62x39 is perfect for dear, you just have to find a suitable, legal hunting round, at least I think that was how it was here in WA.

JShirley
November 19, 2011, 07:50 AM
It is common and more correct to use the term "AK" or "AK pattern" (Avtomat Kalishnikova) to refer to the family of weapons. Even most military full-auto AK are NOT AK-47s, which have a heavier milled receiver. The AKM variants are most commonly seen.

How can we as lawful gun owners expect news media who may have never even shot a firearm to not think every SKS, SAR-1, and MAK-90 is "an AK-47" if we can't use accurate terms ourselves?

John

walking arsenal
November 19, 2011, 10:21 AM
That's a bit of a reach and I still feel like its nitpicking. The news media isn't going to distinguish between a milled and non milled receiver AK.

As a thought, I've never heard a soldier refer to their M-16 or M-4 as an A-1, A-2, A-3, or A-4. They only call it an M-16 or M-4.

Nor have I ever heard anyone refer to their glock by the generation number. They might call it a Glock 23.

You don't refer to your dog as Canis Familiaris and then describe the breed even though that's more correct do you? No. You say "Dog", people know what you are talking about and the conversation rolls on.

See. I feel like there is a point where common use language and technical jargon collide and that we are at that intersection. I don't disagree that we should use as correct terminology as possible when speaking of things. But there is a point where using that technical terminology is unnecessary and wouldn't add anything more to the conversation. In fact it can clutter it and cause the listener to have to either break off the conversation or ask more questions so that they have a clear idea of what exactly you are talking about before the conversation can proceed. Most people don't have a tolerance for that.

Being technical can be fine if you are talking to a person with extensive firearms knowledge like you and I have. But not everyone has that, not even on THR. If I had titled my post "I got my first deer with my AK pattern Romanian SAR-1" it would have been glossed over by the less educated.

I didn't want that. Those people are my intended audience.

My intent on posting my experience was to provide an example to folks that are less educated or that are biased against military arms for hunting that you can collect game with a military style rifle, like the AK, just as well as you can with a high end bolt action if you adhere to a set of criteria and understand its limitations.

Sky
November 19, 2011, 10:28 AM
The Wolf brand 124 grn pointed soft points proved effective

Yes that and the Tula 154gr soft nose are really super hard hitting rounds.

walking arsenal
November 19, 2011, 11:58 AM
I haven't tried the Tula soft points yet. I have some heavy rounds made by herters though.

I try to keep my hunting ammo in the same grain size as my my home defense and target ammo so I don't have to adjust the sights much.

Sky
November 19, 2011, 12:16 PM
I try to keep my hunting ammo in the same grain size as my my home defense and target ammo so I don't have to adjust the sights much.

Yes understand and to be honest the 154gr is so heavy the accuracy really falls off like a rock after about 150 yards....but I do like it for popping pigs at 50 to 100 yards..The Yugo ammo I have is the longest and most accurate I have shot and it works very well too but it will not turn a piggy inside out like the 154gr will.....well it seems like it does; very hard hitting with a huge thump and knock down??

Zombiphobia
November 19, 2011, 03:30 PM
I think I posted already, but anyway congratulations on killing a deer with your AK-47... regardless of rather or not we're using the exact 'proper' term... an AK is an AK in my book, as far as this conversation is concerned. I don't care which variant you killed the deer with and I'm sure the deer doesn't either; the deer is dead, you have meat in the freezer and the basic Kalshnikov design succeeds *again*.

walking arsenal
November 19, 2011, 05:23 PM
Thanks Zom!

That's the way I look at it too. It was a great experience and I enjoyed hunting with the AK.

Thefabulousfink
November 19, 2011, 08:58 PM
It is common and more correct to use the term "AK" or "AK pattern" (Avtomat Kalishnikova) to refer to the family of weapons. Even most military full-auto AK are NOT AK-47s, which have a heavier milled receiver. The AKM variants are most commonly seen.

How can we as lawful gun owners expect news media who may have never even shot a firearm to not think every SKS, SAR-1, and MAK-90 is "an AK-47" if we can't use accurate terms ourselves?



... well we could call it a white house special, but that might be in poor taste :uhoh: (sorry, couldn't help it. I am anti nit-picky)

It is truely a shame that there are no pitures. I would love a shot of you, the buck, and the rifle. We could make t-shirts that say "You call it Assault Weapon, I call it Deer Rifle"

Either way, great thread and great hunt. I love the threads the guys over at FALfiles post about using their FALs for hog hunting and a few more "non-standard rifle" hunting threads would be fun over here as well.

lizziedog1
November 19, 2011, 09:38 PM
Wouldn't using a big, heavy, cumbersome rifle make it more of a challenge? It would make the going slower and cause you to burn more calories.

Imagine the challenge of hiking through the woods with a twenty or thirty pound rifle in 50BMG. :eek:

walking arsenal
November 19, 2011, 10:05 PM
Gad. I suppose. But I don't think my heart would hack it!

FIVETWOSEVEN
November 22, 2011, 03:03 AM
Yeah. But I only hit'em with the one so the meat is still good.

I still think you're a horrible shot, you need to add a laser and infared bullets, maybe that will make up for your suckish handling skills when dealing with full auto M16s.

plateshooter
November 22, 2011, 07:24 AM
I got a 260 lb hog last year with my SAR-1 AK "look a like" rifle using a Wolf 154 grain soft point. It took 1/2 a step and was down. I plan to use it again for this years pork chop run. I wouldn't use it for shots over 100 yards due to accuracy with my shooting skills. I would have no problem using it for deer where I live.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v618/plateshooter/Posting%20Pictures/hogrifleSmall.jpg

brnmuenchow
November 22, 2011, 09:19 AM
This thread needs more pics of deer on the ground next to the AK-47 that shot them... for the "you don't go hunting with an AK" crowd...

Agreed, I think the 7.62X39mm is a great deer hunting round-- on top of people using an AK type rifle for hunting. How is hunting a deer or hog with an SKS / or bolt-action more ethical than hunting with an AK? (The evil rifle!!!)--- It can be used for non evil uses.

walking arsenal
November 22, 2011, 09:20 AM
Plateshooter

I'm sure it isn't your shooting skills. I shot mine at a bench and it wouldn't group better than 3 inches.

Maybe it would with some better ammo.

Navy87Guy
November 23, 2011, 08:14 PM
Congrats on the kill and thanks for the encouragement! Im seriously thinking about getting into hunting next season (no time this year) and I would love to be able tto use my Saiga 7.62x39 "AK-style" rifle. It's very encoraging! :-D

Frozen North
November 23, 2011, 08:44 PM
I have been pondering how well a Siaga would work for a brush rifle. It would be quick and short for sure. I think a red dot would up my chances too. A bolt action with a 24'' barrel and a 3x9 scope feels awfully out of place when you are snap shooting at deer in heavy brush on a drive. In situations like this, the longest shot would be less than 50 yards, and more often than not, less than 20 yards. I whole heatedly believe that the 7.62x39 has plenty of snort for that.

I could leave it unconverted so I can't spray fire from the hip, and leave the banana assault clip in the truck in favor of a sub 10 round model....

plateshooter
November 24, 2011, 05:38 AM
Frozen North, from my personal experience, Your Saiga could be a perfect brush gun for the ranges you noted. I set my SAR rifle up with a Red Star Trigger, an Ultimack rail, and a red dot. The open sites can be used looking through the red dot in the event the red dot would fail for some reason. It will put rounds into a fist size off hand group at 50 yards for me. I like the adjustable stock for use with different weather conditions and garments being worn. The Hogue grip really improves the handling of the rifle for me. The Tapco 10 round polymer mag is lighter than the steel version, and super reliable with a snug no rattle fit in the mag well. The Wolf 762X39 154gr soft point put a baseball size exit hole in the hog I shot at about 50 yards earlier this year. I would have no problem with the killing power of that round on any deer within range. If you do convert your Saiga, the accessories may work out for you, if you use it as is, it should work just as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v618/plateshooter/Posting%20Pictures/SARhoggun.jpg

230therapy
November 26, 2011, 11:39 AM
Some friends of mine really like the Federal Fusion ammunition in 7.62x39mm. They said it performed very well.

My underfolder with Aimpoint Micro (4 MOA dot) gets 2-2.5" groups at 50 yards with cruddy Wolf ammo. I'm sure I could tighten that up with more consistent ammo and a bit of practice. I do sight in with the point of impact being the top of the red dot. This helps quite a bit.

Act2325
November 27, 2011, 09:13 AM
Totally just stumbled onto this tread. Hunting+AK=deer meat awesomeness. I have always been a fan of using mil-surp guns and other non "traditional" firearms for hunting. My dad thought I was insane when I bought a mixed parts mauser and "hot rodded" it out. I will admit that there is merit to having a nice new 700 and awesome glass for a dedicated hunting rifle. To me its about maximum fun and bringing back a all but dead rifle to life. All it took was some glass bedding, a leupold scope mount, and a leupold vx-I. After i seen how well it shot being scoped well why not go one step further? I started handloading for the rifle and to this day I can still put 5 shots in a quarter at 100 yards if i do my part. Now you got me thinking about getting my AKs out next year and harvesting some freezer meat! Way to go buddy. Keep it up.

Anthony

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