flintlock harvest


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thomis
November 13, 2011, 09:30 AM
a few pics and video links included below..

I am lucky enough to have acquired a 1970's model Thompson Center Arms .50 caliber flintlock. It was my Grandfather's. My Dad got it when he passed back in '95. It is a handsome rifle to say the least. Dad kept it above the mantel for years until a couple years ago when I asked if I could borrow it to hunt with. The "goodie bag" my Grandfather put together had everything I needed in it. Unlike him to waste anything, the goodie bag was obviously one of Grandma's expired purses. In it was lubed patches, round balls, some heavier linotype bullets he cast, a small emptied lotion container wit 4 F powder for priming the flash pan and a larger emptied lotion bottle with 2 F powder. The ball starter, brass powder measure, screwdriver, 3 extra flints, patch extractor and barrel solvent were also included.

I shot it a fair amount and finally comfortable enough with it, I took it into the woods. Saturday October 29 was our first day of muzzleloader. My intention was to shoot the first deer I could get a shot at due to my wife being pregnant and the due date November 2. So out walks a decent sized spike whitetail and I was able to get a quick shot off before he trotted out of range. He bucked and ran off. There was no blood at the shot sight and none for about 20 yards. I found a small blood trail and eventually found him. It was a clean through and through shot, the exit wound no bigger than the entrance. He ran 100 yards.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb255/jtleamer/f5.jpg

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my daughter, admiring Daddy's kill
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I have always wanted to try skinning the deer with the truck/ golf ball method so I tried it and filmed it. Video found here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf4Qn9W2GKY).

Well, my wife went 9 days past her due date so I ended up having more time to hunt. So I went out again the following Saturday, this time armed with the camcorder. I was able to film the shot on a second deer, this time a doe. I tracked her about 80 yards. Another hard deer to find, but dead as dead gets, nonetheless. There was no blood for about 60 yards this time. But I am very familiar with this property so I had a real good idea where she went to die.

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYh1ay1OSdo) is the video of the shot, and here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dIEnaOi26o) is the tracking video.

Both kill shots were using a Speer lead round musketball. They weigh in at about 178 grains. I use 76 grains of blackpowder behind the round ball. Both shots were through and through shots, leaving small exit wounds.

By the way, my wife finally gave birth to another future hunter on 11/11/11!

Thanks for reading and happy hunting!!

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critter
November 13, 2011, 01:05 PM
That's great-both deer as well as the new hunter!

I love hunting with a ML, although I have used a flintlock. Just never had the chance. I'd like to try one sometime.

Using a ML is a bit different than a modern gun in several aspects including the results on game as you have noted. Not 'worse', just different. Most enjoyable.

1911 guy
November 14, 2011, 02:53 AM
Very cool.

Kudos to you for tracking both deer. I've seen a few people over the years stop looking as soon as they saw no blood at the shot scene.

I'd take those linotype bullets and set them aside. You'll want to keep them because they came from your Granddad, but you want to use as close to pure lead as you can in a muzzleloader.

And you're right, that is a very attractive rifle. Both my .50s are caplocks, I'm sorta wishing one of them was a flint.

Now for the biggest topic, congratulations to you and your wife on the birth of another baby!

Cosmoline
November 14, 2011, 03:33 AM
Good work! Roundballs seem to penetrate out of all proportion to the physics involved. I guess they don't know what sectional density is ;-)

35 Whelen
November 14, 2011, 03:34 AM
You ought to be proud! Nice to see someone challenging themselvses!

35W

sixgunner455
November 14, 2011, 12:44 PM
I have a T/C Hawken .50 as well, but mine's a caplock. Handsome rifles, accurate, and effective.

Your new baby shares a birthday with my father - he's a bit older, though. :D

MCgunner
November 14, 2011, 03:12 PM
How cool is THAT, eh? :D I shot my first front stuffer kill Wednesday, but I cheated and used a CVA with 209 primer and a 3x9x40 optic so I could actually SEE the deer I was shooting at. I need to see an optometrist, I guess. :rolleyes: It's getting harder and harder for me to be an ethical hunter without optics anymore.

I have a couple of caplocks I could use, one's a Hawken similar to your flinter. I guess that's my next goal. :D

627PCFan
November 14, 2011, 03:46 PM
MC's gonna work up a mount for a Leupold VX3 6.5-24 for his Hawken next week:D

MCgunner
November 14, 2011, 04:08 PM
DAMN, I shoulda thoughta that! :D

Loyalist Dave
November 14, 2011, 05:17 PM
You don't necessarily need to stop using the linotype bullets. They will only be 168 grains or so, compared to an all lead .490 which would be 178 grains. Doesn't look like the deer noticed a difference! :D All lead will mushroom more, while your linotype bullets are probably deforming very little. On deer it doesn't matter much as a .490 hole is pretty big. I know very successful flintlock hunters who swear by wheel weight round ball, as that's what type of "lead" they got for free. I use pure lead, but I got a sweet deal on a bunch of it so that's what I use, and when it runs out I have a bucket of old wheel weights in the back yard just waiting. ;) Some folks like a harder bullet than lead. Thanks also for the demonstration of the skinning. I will have to try that myself. :)

LD

UpTheIrons
November 14, 2011, 05:36 PM
I would only change one thing with your skinning method: split the hide down the backbone a ways and put the golf ball on the gullet / underside of the neck. We changed to that method a couple of years ago and the hide comes off easier than a loose-fitting sock!

Good job on those shots, too. It's been WAY too long since I've taken a deer with a muzzleloader.


ETA: To clarify, we skin the deer before we gut them, which is why we split the hide down the back.

thomis
November 14, 2011, 08:53 PM
ha! thanks for the comments.
I really like the sight picture that flintlock has. The irons are easy to use. I am contemplating installing a peep to make it even nicer. I usually wear contacts but when shooting the flintlock, I wear my glasses. Sometimes sparks from the flash pan can spray in random directions, making it difficult to concentrate on the follow through.
Somehow a scope just wouldn't fit this rifle ;)

CoRoMo
November 15, 2011, 11:25 AM
I've hunted a lot with a muzzleloader. I've yet to get a shot off though. Been close, very close a few times.

Loyalist Dave
November 15, 2011, 11:26 AM
The only problem you sometimes get with a peep, is that it acts as a sort of lens, which for some folks a bit older than you (like me) it helps to make the front sight post a bit clearer, BUT it will also require a tad more light for you to make out that front sight post, regardless of your eyesight. All depending of course on the size of the peep, with larger peeps not having as much light dependency as smaller peeps, but the larger the peep the more the margin of error in sight picture. Again, why change it up if it works? The only thing that I change up on "iron sights" is I always swap-out the front sight post for a thin, silver blade. Especially on such a short barrel as you are using. The thinner blade gives you more precision, and silver shows up well under low light conditions. I get mine from Track of The Wolf. BTW if you decide you don't want that option, they also sell replacement sights for T/C rifles if you ever need such an item. :D

T.O.T.W Thin Silver Front Sights (http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartList.aspx?catID=14&subID=167&styleID=762&PageSize=10&Page=6)

LD

thomis
November 29, 2011, 01:49 PM
been a great deer season so far down here in the Carolinas. I got another deer with this Flintlock rifle. even though it is now gun season, i am still taking out this flintlock. Here is a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYh1ay1OSdo).

Loyalist Dave
December 7, 2011, 09:55 PM
Nice shot! It's common to not get a blood trail for a bit. One thing is to give the deer a good 30 minutes, then go looking for it. Thanks for the video. Hey, the sound has a slight "grunt" or some such noise, then the shot. Do you make that noise to get the deer to pause to give you that shot??

LD

303tom
December 7, 2011, 11:59 PM
That is a nice little buck, we can`t take one with that small of a rack here where I hunt, has to have at least 7 points.........

JEB
December 8, 2011, 12:20 AM
congrats on the hunt! that is one purdy rifle! well done vids too by the way.

that skinning job was pretty slick! might just have to try that...

thomis
December 9, 2011, 08:06 PM
Dave- that sound was me making the proverbial "mep" sound. it usually stops them. sometimes it spooks them though. it's a roll of the dice.

280shooter
December 10, 2011, 09:51 PM
Nice Deer,,I would look into the softer round ball..I used to pour my own, But for as many rounds i shoot anymore, I bought a big box of Hornady round ball.
I have killed deer where the ball never left the deer,,my last one i shot had a exit hole the size of a grapefruit,, big ole cow of a doe. she ran down hill. 20 yards,I shoot 54 cal. left hand lyman,
Great shots on your 2 deer, very cool,, And we're all glad your wife and child are doing well...

MCgunner
December 10, 2011, 10:10 PM
I want a flinter, though getting BP is tough down here. I'll have to order it, likely, and pay the hazmat fees. I made my first ML kill this season, but was with an inline using 777. Flinters require the real stuff due to the fact that the subs don't ignite real easy. A 209 primer is a little more reliable with the subs.

Great stuff. A flinter kill is on my bucket list. :D I hope my eyes don't deteriorate much more, though. Older i get, the handier optics get.

Legionnaire
December 11, 2011, 06:20 PM
Well done! I took my first muzzleloader deer this year, but with an Encore 209x50 shooting Hornady .44 caliber XTPs (saboted) over 100 grains of Goex FFg. Not like a round ball. Still have a tag left though, so plan to try for my first with a flintlock (Lyman) in PA's late "primitive" season. Your video is highly motivating! Again, well done.

T.R.
December 13, 2011, 05:01 PM
Very entertaining and fun to watch your videos. Thank you for sharing!

This is my ML rifle. Not very handsome but it gets the job done.

TR

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/CVAOptima.jpg

thomis
December 20, 2011, 12:54 PM
T.R.
that's a handsome rifle if you ask me

TwoWheelFiend
December 20, 2011, 05:52 PM
That video was awesome! hahahha love the sound it made when it was ripping off. I'm tryin that next year.

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