Wild hog hunting outlawed in tn


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Cob
November 14, 2011, 09:41 AM
HERE'S A QUOTE FROM A NEWS ARTICLE I JUST READ:

"But when it comes to the growing problem of wild hogs in Tennessee, officials from the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency are taking a vastly different approach. They've outlawed wild hog hunting entirely -- and hunters should keep that in mind as they venture into the woods this fall." (Commercial Appeal; November 13, 2011, )

(Edit: insert link to article)
See link below for just one full article on the event:

http://http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2011/nov/13/running-hog-wild/ (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2011/nov/13/running-hog-wild/)

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allank
November 14, 2011, 10:17 AM
Wild hog hunting is also illegal in Kansas, but it is possible to get a permit to destroy wild hogs. They are trying to prevent wild hog hunting turning into a business where only a percentage of the herd would be killed each year, instead of the entire herd.

Art Eatman
November 14, 2011, 10:19 AM
Sounds like it's time to send photos to legislators.

Ranger30-06
November 14, 2011, 10:56 AM
Wow. There will be some farmer lawsuits with this one real soon.

JERRY
November 14, 2011, 11:12 AM
pix of crop damage submitted with the law suit against the DNR to recoup losses.

Loosedhorse
November 14, 2011, 11:19 AM
You guys wouldn't really shoot Pumbaa, would you?

http://www.cardhunters.com/catalog/lion_king_f7_jpg_1256_1.jpg

:banghead:

cottswald
November 14, 2011, 11:24 AM
Wild Hogs = Most efficient biological rototiller in North America (unfortunately they don't care what time of year it is)!

JERRY
November 14, 2011, 11:51 AM
i guess all dem piggies is sayen: hakhuna matada.

whats hakhuna matada?

its our moto.

whats a moto?

nuttin, whats a moto u?

Sky
November 14, 2011, 12:16 PM
Wonder if money for the state's coffer has anything to do with it. Buy a tag or a piggy license for xxx$ and the state has more money for other things they deem important.

I was told by some deer hunters this year it was hard to take 4 steps without bumping into a game warden in East Texas wanting to hand out fines and checking paperwork/licenses??

I dunno I was not there but if the highways are any indication of money strapped municipalities I would not be surprised..

countertop
November 14, 2011, 01:35 PM
I suspect what they are trying to do is cut down on one of the primary sources of the problem - poorly managed ranches that are bringing hogs in to the state and releasing them in the wild so they can sell the rights to hunt the hogs to people.

Folks in Texas might find it hard to believe, but so many people have seen the pig bomb and pig hunter shows, that hog hunting is becoming a big attraction. And with it, there's far too many unethical slobs who see a profit and decide to purchase (or capture) and then release hogs in the wild in areas where hogs weren't present before.

ITS A BIG PROBLEM.

Sky
November 14, 2011, 02:00 PM
Folks in Texas might find it hard to believe, but so many people have seen the pig bomb and pig hunter shows, that hog hunting is becoming a big attraction. And with it, there's far too many unethical slobs who see a profit and decide to purchase (or capture) and then release hogs in the wild in areas where hogs weren't present before.


Speeding up the process a bit for money.....Hummmm

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
November 14, 2011, 02:05 PM
Don't know where you got that quote from but it is not correct. And the link provided is dead as well. This is a piece taken from a page of TWRA (Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency)

Special provisions have been implemented for landowners and their designees to control wild hogs on their lands. However, sport hunting of wild hogs is legal on only specific wildlife management areas as a part of an overall eradication program for those WMAs. While the TWRA obviously supports hunting, data indicates that sport hunting for wild hogs only adds to the incentive to create new and expanding populations. Similar to the provisions used by many landowners, the TWRA will begin intensive eradication measures on WMAs by trapping, which has been shown to be a much more efficient reduction method.

The whole thing can be seen here http://www.tn.gov/twra/feralhog.html

Sky
November 14, 2011, 02:10 PM
Amazing what a few facts can do to a theory.

Ranger30-06
November 14, 2011, 02:17 PM
Don't know where you got that quote from but it is not correct. And the link provided is dead as well. This is a piece taken from a page of TWRA (Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency)


Special provisions have been implemented for landowners and their designees to control wild hogs on their lands. However, sport hunting of wild hogs is legal on only specific wildlife management areas as a part of an overall eradication program for those WMAs. While the TWRA obviously supports hunting, data indicates that sport hunting for wild hogs only adds to the incentive to create new and expanding populations. Similar to the provisions used by many landowners, the TWRA will begin intensive eradication measures on WMAs by trapping, which has been shown to be a much more efficient reduction method.

The whole thing can be seen here http://www.tn.gov/twra/feralhog.html


THAT, makes a heck lot more sense. I know how starry eyed people can become when money comes into an equation, especially when its a quickly reproducing source.

rcmodel
November 14, 2011, 02:24 PM
They are trying to prevent wild hog hunting turning into a businessKansas has already had problems along those lines.

People have actually stocked wild hogs twice at the Clinton Lake wildlife area near here in the last few years. Also on public hunting land at Ft. Riley / Milford lake area.

F&G guys came in with helicopters and wiped them out before the pig population got out of control.

Heres more:
http://www.hpj.com/archives/2009/mar09/mar2/Stateprogramtokillferalhogs.cfm

rc

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
November 14, 2011, 02:41 PM
Being born and raised in Tennessee not far from Catoosa hunting preserve, I have a little bit of knowledge on this subject. Back in the 50's and early 60's Catoosa had the brilliant idea to start stocking the Russian breed's and letting them breed with the feral hogs already on the lands. They did not start really "exploding" until recently as most know. They were pretty well populated but until the past 15 or so years they were not THAT heavily hunted. There were a few of us that really enjoyed going out after hogs but there was not a HUGE demand for them. Then around 15 years ago the hunting started to really come into demand so they started bringing in more hogs. WOOPS now you have a hog problem (little crappers make rabbits look sterile). The natural wooded nature of the mountains they are in are a haven to the hog breeds. Not too hot, TONS of food, plenty of cover, and lots of farms.

I grew up hunting them. Back when the heavy Russian strain was much more prevalent and their attitudes were MUCH more aggressive! In my uneducated opinion, the explosion we are seeing is in direct response to the hunting pressure. It's funny how some animals in nature respond to being hunted isn't it! "The more you kill us, the more we will reproduce!"

MCgunner
November 14, 2011, 04:05 PM
Wild hog hunting is also illegal in Kansas, but it is possible to get a permit to destroy wild hogs. They are trying to prevent wild hog hunting turning into a business where only a percentage of the herd would be killed each year, instead of the entire herd.

Yeah, well, good luck with THAT one. :rolleyes: Might as well make a business out of 'em, hunt for money. This will at least give farmers that can't efficiently grow corn anymore a source of income.

Cob
November 14, 2011, 09:21 PM
Don't know where you got that quote from but it is not correct. And the link provided is dead as well.http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2011/nov/13/running-hog-wild/

That's weird, the link works for me, No Problemo...( If the link does not work, go to the Commercial Appeal, and search for Wild Hog. you'll get a whole string of articles on the subject.)

I copied and pasted the quote below directly from the article in the Link:

"To clarify, it's no longer legal to hunt wild hogs for sport anywhere in Tennessee. It's not even legal to shoot a stray hog while you're hunting something else -- even if you have a current hunting license and you're hunting with a legal gun and ammunition."

I work for State of FL, and this article was posted internally by our State Communications Board this morning...

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
November 14, 2011, 09:32 PM
Can I still hunt hogs on WMAs?
The take of wild hogs is allowed on some WMAs in conjunction with other scheduled hunts in Regions III and IV. Please check the most recent hunting guide for dates and special regulations. Note: The TWRC has approved an amendment to the WMA proclamation to authorize the taking of wild hogs, in conjunction with deer seasons, at three additional WMAs in Region 3. The WMAs are Alpine Mountain, Skinner Mountain, and Standing Stone State Forest.

What part of this paragraph says it is now illegal statewide? These are taken directly from Tennessee Wildlife Management Agency Not some newspaper or web articles. If people would do just a TINY bit of research before they propagate incorrect information, life would be SO much simpler!

What they have done is basically eliminated the "paid hog hunts" and Hog seasons. Landowners can still hunt them, residents can still hunt them. The only thing that has changed is that they will no longer allow businesses to have hog hunts like they used to. Their status has also been changed to an invasive species and therefor no longer a "season" or "bag limits" on them. In other words, basically like every other state that has a hog problem.

Cob
November 14, 2011, 10:13 PM
Here are some Q & A direct from the TN Wildlife Resourcve Agency Website.

Can I hunt free-ranging wild hogs in Tennessee?
No. However, under exemptions, landowners and their designees as defined above may kill a hog at any time. There are also some East Tennessee and Cumberland Plateau WMAs that allow the incidental take of hogs during other big game seasons (see WMA regulations for details.)


I am not trying to Disseminate False information, only sharing information that was presented to me from th FL Commissioner of Agriculture's Office today ( a reference to a Memphis newpaper)... i was just aware of these changes today, so thought i would share...

The bottom line is that changes have taken place which could affect hunters in TN... My family lives in North AL & North MS, bordering TN, so try to stay up to date on the area.

Here are some Questions and answers directly from the TWRA website
http://www.tn.gov/twra/feralhog.html


Are there requirements for obtaining an exemption?
You must be the legal owner of the property. All exemptions expire on December 31 and in order to renew a permit the landowner must submit a report of their activities under the previous exemption.



I hunt on a lease and we have hogs, can I call up and get an exemption?
Only the landowner get obtain a methods exemption. If the landowner calls the regional office to request a methods exemption, they may designate 10 others to assist with eradication efforts.



I understand they are in eradication mode of hogs, and their desired outcome is to stop the spread of live hogs from one area to another, which is primarily by hunters. I think the TN WRA has inadvertantly shot themselves in the foot with their approach by this label of restrictions though,& will watch and see how this strategy turns out.

TNboy
November 15, 2011, 12:38 AM
Although good on paper I've heard from local game wardens that they simply do not have the time for the hog eradication effort. The state was wanting game wardens to pretty much trap out the hogs on public land, since hog hunting is allowed in only a handful of WMAs the hogs will have zero pressure at the remaining WMAs. I suspect within a couple of years you won't be able to throw a rock in this state without hitting a hog. I hope their plan works but I have a suspicion it's about to get really nasty. It is odd how they range though, I rarely see one within 10 miles of my house, yet I can go down the road 10 miles practically any evening and see several.

velojym
November 15, 2011, 01:59 AM
A state actively trying to prevent business... that's pretty darned crappy right there, and none of their danged business in the first place.
As for whether you oughta be "allowed" to shoot a wild hog, I have five words for ya:
"It's coming right for us!"
:)

303tom
November 15, 2011, 12:09 PM
Here in Missouri if we see a Hog where it is not suppose to be we are to kill it, and we do. (Wild or feral) We don`t want the damn things up here !

Carl N. Brown
November 15, 2011, 12:40 PM
The ban on sports hunting of hogs is to discourage people from stocking hogs in new areas for purposes of sports hunting. I believe that goes back to the problem of imported Russian boars escaping from private hunting preserves.

TWRA has classified wild hogs as "a non-protected nuisance animal marked for eradication" rather than a big game animal hunted on a license with a big game stamp (like deer, bear or wild boar at Tellico Plains).

Sports hunting tends to manage and maintain big game populations (and encourages people to stock desirable animals).

Hogs are vermin: Tennessee landowners, their family and their tenants can kill hogs without a license by following game hunting rules, and landowners can get a permit to hunt hogs by otherwise illegal means: hunting over bait or after dark, and one permit covers the landowner and up to ten other assistents. Under Tennessee law, trapped hogs must be killed.

Follow the link above and read the whole story:
Bryan Brasher, "Running hog wild: Hunting these pests no longer OK", Memphis Commercial Appeal, 13 Nov 2011.

Personally, I think wild hogs ought to be treated like coyotes and certain other varmint species: you see 'em, you shoot 'em, good riddance, whether you have a hunting permit and are in pursuit of other game, or not. I guess what makes the TWRA approach different is the canned hunts (the private preserves have an incentive to maintain a huntable population of hogs) and they want to stop that.

RinkRat
November 15, 2011, 12:52 PM
Quote: "The TWRA will begin intensive eradication measures on WMAs by trapping, which has been shown to be a much more efficient reduction method."

TWRA doesn’t want civets trapping because they might be relocated in some conservatively way, fueled by monetary intent. But, the TWRA’`s stat’`s show it’s been shown to “be a much more efficient reduction method.” Statistics will say what ever you want them to if you look at them long enough.

Where’s the TWRA releasing them? Are they moving them into low (as in human) populated areas so no one will notice them? Are they moving them into an elusive WMA where there are more or maybe less porkers where no one might notice? Or are they using euthanasia on them?

Wow … so what are they really doing with their trapped swine’`s in a cage? Oh right Carnival Side-Shows :D = She walks … She squawks … She’ll rut and ruin your crops and fields like a Mad Tiller … Don’t get to close son she bites!! One thin dime … See the Ms. Piggy in a cage!!

Are these an endangered species? Or are they starting too today, or at some point in the near future, going to become an irreversible endangerment to the environment because we have to let um be? Ask a Texan about jackals. Ahhhhh nice doggie :uhoh:

Maybe the TWRA can get some “FCPC's/farmers crop protection collars” and put them on their pigs?

Woodland creatures are hunted, populations sometimes drop, they become off limits, their populated numbers increase, seasons reopens. Unless you leave them alone, and now they become obnoxious.

Hakuna Matata / There are no worries … yet :scrutiny:

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
November 15, 2011, 02:20 PM
Where’s the TWRA releasing them? Are they moving them into low (as in human) populated areas so no one will notice them? Are they moving them into an elusive WMA where there are more or maybe less porkers where no one might notice? Or are they using euthanasia on them?

RinkRat, The TWRA is NOT releasing them. They are killing them while still in the cage AND they set the rule that anyone trapping them are to kill them before taking them out of the trap. They are NOT releasing them ANYWHERE and they will fine anyone they find doing so.

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
November 15, 2011, 02:26 PM
Cob, The wording of that article is making it sound like TN has banned the taking of wild hogs. In essence it has banned the SPORT HUNTING of them. They used to have a "Hog Season" which they have now stopped. That is all they have done. They are doing this to dissuade the guides and preserve people from importing hogs to populate an area. They haven't banned killing them. They are simply making it monetarily impractical for guides to transplant hogs thus furthering the hog population.

Carl N. Brown
November 15, 2011, 02:55 PM
from Wikipedia Wild hog article:
The problematic nature of feral hogs has caused several states in the U.S. to declare feral hogs to be an invasive species. Often, these states will have greatly-reduced (or even non-existent) hunting regulations regarding feral hogs. In Missouri, no hunting permit is required for the taking of wild boar; hunters may take as many as they like with any weapon. The Missouri Department of Conservation requests that hunters who encounter feral hogs shoot them on sight.[54]

54. "Shoot 'em on sight". Missouri Department of Conservation. Retrieved 26 March 2011.

http://mdc.mo.gov/landwater-care/invasive-species/invasive-animal-management/feral-hog-control/shoot-feral-hogs-sight


According to Missouri Dept of Conservation:
How did the problem arise?

Several counties south of I-44 have had feral hogs roaming the countryside since the days of open range. These populations were isolated and kept in check by local hunting efforts.

The situation took a wrong turn in the 1990s when hog hunting for recreation began to gain popularity. Groups started raising and promoting European wild boar as a form of alternative agriculture and for hunting on licensed shooting areas. It wasn’t long before many of these hogs escaped or were intentionally released on public land.

.....


Where hogs are a problem, the Missouri way has appeal.

Apparently seeing commercialized sport hunting of imported hogs as a cause of the hog problem, Tennessee has banned sport hunting and even shooting hogs as vermin when hunting other game, but has instead authorized landowners to use lawful hunting techniques without a license, or to use otherwise unlawful techniques with a permit.

RinkRat
November 15, 2011, 04:18 PM
Freedom fighter in IL
Thank You for pointing that out I did not notice that part or misinterpreted something??

But if they have a viable amount to hunt, and they take it off the list just so they can not be live-trapped and moved into/onto an under populated area, then they should stick to that subject. But if they ban all hunting and there could now be an opportunity for boar to over populate, they are not thinking long term problems. And if they only allow landowners to dispose of then I'll become friends with someone and help them out. With that said, what do these landowners do, or have to do, with their bounty? Can they enlist the help from friends and family?

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
November 15, 2011, 04:35 PM
With that said, what do these landowners do, or have to do, with their bounty? Can they enlist the help from friends and family

According to the new regulations, they can enlist the help of up to 10 people to help. The landowners will have to follow some guidelines to get the permits. The regulations for landowners to take them are going to be extremely lax (basically non existent) in how this is done.

I think they will soon see that the way they are going about this is a little flawed. They will soon see the need for the "shoot on site" method used by the other states with this growing insurgence of these pests. I can see the point they are trying to make by making it monetarily impractical for guides and such to transplant. But to limit the hunting of Hogs to landowners and a few WMA's allowing hunters to take them is not going to effectively reduce numbers. They will need the shoot on site elimination methods to be engaged as they are in most other Southern States with this problem. We all know how re-tarded government officials can be when it comes to doing things the smart way. It will just take a bit of time for the mentally challenged officials in TWMA and TWRA to figure out their "boo-boo" and start enlisting the aid of hunters again. Now if only the idiots that are introducing these pests would figure out that they are harming themselves as well as the state.

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