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beehlebf
November 14, 2011, 05:49 PM
so often do i hear online about someone who got shot with a 9mm but they were so drugged that the shots did nothing, often the next comment is that if they had a 45acp ther wouldnt be a problem. my question is that if they can take that much damage with a 9mm idk how much better a 45 would be

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JERRY
November 14, 2011, 05:52 PM
drugs do things to the body, pain response or lack of it is one.

shot placement is king, until that is met nothing else matters.

a .32acp through a doper's heart will do more to stop them than a .45acp to their gut.

SpentCasing
November 14, 2011, 05:59 PM
Strong will and determination to live is more powerful than any drugs. See Miami FBI shootout.

Shot placement is crucial moreso than caliber.

ROCK6
November 14, 2011, 06:05 PM
drugs do things to the body, pain response or lack of it is one.

shot placement is king, until that is met nothing else matters.

a .32acp through a doper's heart will do more to stop them than a .45acp to their gut.

Spot on. There have been reports of surviving a few rounds from a .50 cal BMG and a simple .25 ACP killing with one shot.

Shot placement that hits the central nervous system or vital organ is about the only way to quickly stop a threat...drugged or not. If a major artery is hit, they could bleed out quickly, but not necessarily quick enough for an instant stop.

The human body can be both extremely fragile and unbelievably resilient...there are so many factors that your best bet is to practice with what you carry and work on speed and accuracy...dumping an entire magazine or cylinder into the threat's center of mass (or until the threat is stopped) is your best insurance.

ROCK6

KAS1981
November 14, 2011, 06:12 PM
drugs do things to the body, pain response or lack of it is one.

shot placement is king, until that is met nothing else matters.

a .32acp through a doper's heart will do more to stop them than a .45acp to their gut.
Exactly. Unless you can hit the central nervous system (brain, brain stem, etc), you're not going to stop anybody instantly with a handgun. Even a shot to the heart isn't "instant", as blood pressure needs to drop enough to cause loss of consciousness.

robinkevin
November 14, 2011, 06:15 PM
Agree, drugs wont make their body run any different, it just puts more "fight" into them as they dont feel the pain. Basically any deer hunter can tell you that if you shoot a deer in the heart or a good double lung shot the deer will not run far if any. If you shoot a deer in the shoulder, gut, ass, neck(with out hitting anything major) the deer will run hundreds of yards.

Shot placement is key, and the difference between a 9mm and .45 is not that big of a difference if both are using good hollow point ammo. Most people use military studies to point out that the .45 is better, but NATO calls for full metal jacket ammo in war, in which case the smaller 9mm will do less damage and go clean through compare to the larger and slower .45.

Best thing to do is know your kill zone and make sure the bullet goes there, also remember the head is a poor target as it moves a lot more than the body and is a smaller target.

Mike J
November 14, 2011, 07:05 PM
Basically any deer hunter can tell you that if you shoot a deer in the heart or a good double lung shot the deer will not run far if any. If you shoot a deer in the shoulder, gut, ass, neck(with out hitting anything major) the deer will run hundreds of yards

My experience is that using my .30-06 a deer still usually runs 20-25 yards with a lung shot. If you get a neck shot (central nervous system hit) they fall right there. I would expect a lot could happen in the time it takes a deer to cover 20 yards. My old hunting buddy shot a deers heart out with a .270 & still had to crawl 100 yards into the briars to get it.

I would not bank on instant incapacitation after one shot with any caliber.

jeffmack
November 14, 2011, 07:22 PM
+1 on what MikeJ said. I've shot deer from 25 yards with a .308, torn the top of their heart off, and still seen them run a 100 yards further.

The "I'm gonna shoot him right in the eye with my .22 and kill him instantly dead cause shot placement is key" is great until you are shaking, have tunnel vision, you are running, a larger (armed?) attacker is running at you, it is dark, and he is bobbing and weaving like a boxer.

robinkevin
November 14, 2011, 07:36 PM
My experience is that using my .30-06 a deer still usually runs 20-25 yards with a lung shot. If you get a neck shot (central nervous system hit) they fall right there. I would expect a lot could happen in the time it takes a deer to cover 20 yards. My old hunting buddy shot a deers heart out with a .270 & still had to crawl 100 yards into the briars to get it.

I would not bank on instant incapacitation after one shot with any caliber.
Can't say this for myself, I did use some 180gr bullets once and found they didn't expand very quickly. Have to have good expansion, I have also tried 165gr as many people suggest but find for deer 150gr through the lugs up to 300 yards is a dead shot, maybe 10 yard run. I don't trust neck shots as I've seen too many fail to drop the deer, actually my brother took a neck shot this weekend and we tracked the deer a good 250 yards, finding two pools of blood (after we waited an hour to make sure we didn't push him) and even found parts of neck bone (2) before finding the deer.

Either way a deer is much tougher than humans from what I have seen, I'd got for center of mass, actually I aim for a triangle area from the center of mass with the tip stoping at the chin. Aiming dead center of mass and shoot low you will hit the gut (not good).

mljdeckard
November 14, 2011, 09:07 PM
Kind of. There is a physiological response that makes people fall over when they get hit. Your brain freaks out and tells your body to fall down. This effect can be mitigated or eliminated by drugs, shock, or adrenaline. If everything is just moving so fast that you don't realize you have been hit, you can keep going. The only hit that is guaranteed an instantaneous stop is a hit to the central nervous system, between the sternum and the nose. This hit will stop all motor activity. Everything else is just degrees of likelihood.

And yes, it's silly to believe that one handgun round is magical and another is useless. I carry 230 gr. .45 ACP. But if I had to carry 115 gr 9mm FMJ, I would shoot.....exactly the same way I do with the .45.

And I do have a hangup with the 'shot placement is everything' mentality as well. It's a lot, but it's not EVERYTHING. If the only thing that mattered was shot placement, we could all carry .22s and aim for the jugular. In real life, the target doesn't stand still at a perfect angle for you to get a perfect shot at something that will stop them. If you are REALLY that good, that you KNOW you can ALWAYS get a CNS hit on a moving target, under stress, then I guess that can be your plan. I'm not that good, I don't know any competition shooters who are that good. This means to ME, that my plan will be to get as many hits to the center of mass in the shortest possible time. The more hits I get, the more likely that one of those bullets will cut something that the bad guy needs to keep moving. The likelihood of a stop goes up exponentially with each hit. For ME, Getting a lot of GOOD hits is a better plan than one PERFECT hit.

mymazda
November 14, 2011, 10:14 PM
I have seen plenty of PCP and or wet (THC in the pot + PCP evaporated onto marijuana from formaldehyde) users who took 4 people to restrain. One broke his 3 joints in his hand punching a 2 inch thick steel reinforced door then behaved as if nothing happened, 23hours later he sure was screaming about it when moved to a medical floor and couldent seem to get enough dilaudid. Needless to say everything happens so fast in situations like that that im not sure if I were randomly on the street and had to deal with someone like that without a team of people there would be time for shot placement. Its nice to practice fast target acquisition but things happen a lot faster in real life if in close proximity to people who are druged up and often angry. What im getting at is Im not sure the caliber is as important as the number of shots into center of mass. My goal would be to get as far away as I can from someone drugged up attacking me. When I have to see them in a confinement room and Im unsure if they will try to harm me I often stay outside the room and yell in with other people with me. I cant emphasize how fast things happen in the 10 to 20 foot range.

Mikhail Weiss
November 14, 2011, 10:47 PM
Don't know if this guy was on drugs or not...

http://www.crimefilenews.com/2006/03/40-caliber-nightmare-is-caught-on-tape.html

...but two .40 caliber rounds to the chest didn't stop him. In other such cases I've read, there's simply no predicting how a bad guy will react to getting shot, even when rounds are well-placed, as were those in the linked article/video.

In the end, no matter which service caliber you choose, all you're doing is poking holes in things. The more of them you poke in important things, and the faster you do it, the better off you'll likely be, and the worse off your antagonist.

exavid
November 14, 2011, 11:31 PM
I never believed in the magic caliber, I've always practiced a lot with the pistols I own. I don't kid myself that firing a few rounds a couple times a year is enough for me to depend on a gun in case of need. I shoot 'em a lot at the range on paper and steel. The main point is to put those bullets where they do the most good for the shooter. The rest is arbitrary.

mgmorden
November 15, 2011, 12:11 AM
Drugs remove the psychological aspect of the gun. Many attackers if not carrying themselves (and some even if they are) will run at the sight of a gun. Drugs remove that fear. Many who wouldn't run at the sight would at least ATTEMPT to flee if actually hit by a shot if they are able - even if the hit was non life-threatening. Drugs can remove that response.

Basically, drugs can make an attack from a human a lot more like an attack from an animal. No logical thinking, no higher reasoning, just a flat out attack where you're going to need to physically disable them before the attack stops. In many of these cases a 9mm is no worse than any other pistol round. A .45 makes a slightly bigger hole, but you're basically just hoping to put one of those holes through something important enough that the body con't continue with that part disabled.

GLOOB
November 15, 2011, 12:53 AM
Even a shot to the heart isn't "instant", as blood pressure needs to drop enough to cause loss of consciousness.
A decent sized hole through the heart, pulmonary vein, or the ascending aorta will be a near immediate stop, in most cases. Doesn't matter the willpower or intoxication of the target. Anyone that has hunted much will know that.

The brain functions on aerobic metabolism of glucose, only, and it uses a lot of glucose and oxygen to remain functional. The muscles can utilize anaerobic metabolism to supplement, but the brain is literally living one heart beat to the next. The existing blood levels of glucose and oxygen in the brain will drop enough to cause loss of consciousness within a few seconds when a good portion of its blood supply is being squirted through a hole. It only takes a relatively minor reduction in the brain's blood supply for this to occur. A choke/sleeper hold induces unconsciousness in about 6-12 seconds by reducing the blood supply by as little as 13%. An impact to the heart can stop the blood flow, completely. He might not be clinically, irreversibly brain dead for a good 15-20 minutes. But he would only have about a second or three before the lights go out.

A heart shot is essentially an indirect CNS hit in the way it initially incapacitates.

It's only when the major blood loss is much further away from the heart, where you'd have to wait for a drop in overall blood pressure.

RinkRat
November 15, 2011, 03:37 AM
If there were one magic boolet, in one super caliber, just think how boring this forum would be, because we, and the BG`s, would all have the same thing :p

You can shoot the same BG, with the same thing, the same way, twice, and have three different results. You'll never know the out come until the dust settles :cool:

Some have posted their deer hunting experiences, and the same shot, onto the same species, seemed to sometimes end differently. Just as LEO`s have different endings in apprehending suspects under fire. Not every agency carries the same firepower as in their issued or approved caliber, ammo type, and sidearm manufacturer. Some can only carry one style, and some have a wider range to pick from so as to use what ever makes them feel comfortable. And as for the drugged-thug, the influence could go either way, it could enhance their stamina or reduce it?? No two outcomes will play-out the same.

Zerodefect
November 15, 2011, 06:00 AM
Pistol wounds are quite survivable.
Shot placement is key. Entire magazines of shot placement is better.

Drugs or not, it's not unusual for people to walk right through gunfire and continue to attack, for a while at least. How long deos it take for someones blood pressure to drop with a 9mm hole in the chest?

I've got nothing against 9mm+p, as I do carry that, but I still prefer .40 and .45.

DeepSouth
November 15, 2011, 06:35 AM
I believe a properly placed 40 or 45 will have more effect than a 9mm placed in the same area. All other things being equal, bigger is better.

Always remember you get what you pay for, any my opinion is always free.:D:D

Kiln
November 15, 2011, 07:05 AM
My unofficial forum survival guide actually covers this one:

1. Everyone that will ever consider robbing you is a 250 lb bodybuilding crackhead with an insatiable thirst for blood and damn near bulletproof skin. Only semi auto bullets starting with a .4, revolver calibers containing the word magnum, or 12 guage shotguns will do for defense.

2. All firearms are bought for the purpose of defense or SHTF situations. Even if you specifically state that it is for target practice (aka plinking), somebody will bring up tactical use, concealed carry, and "stopping power" at some point in the thread.

3. Zombies are no joke, it can and WILL eventually happen. You're either prepared or you're undead, pick one.

4. Will this caliber kill (insert animal) will result in answers about grizzly bears or drug addicts. It is inevitable.

5. Zinc guns will not last 1k rounds before flying apart and blowing off your hand. Everyone has had a buddy who knew a guy who had an uncle that blew his hand off with a J22 and can now only drive an automatic.

6. If you don't know about something, fake it till you make it.

7. Almost everyone around here can shoot the ass off of a fly at 100 yards firing offhand during a blizzard that came during a freak sandstorm.

Baba Louie
November 15, 2011, 07:40 AM
Drugs, dark nights, dark clothing, dynamic situation, BG coming at you... BANG! where DID that boolit really go? Better add another COM, maybe two. Maybe go to slide lock (it happens) while seeking cover or distance.

A lot of old adages come to mind. Bigger is usually better, handguns are a compromise, TV and movie expectations ain't real life and Murphy was an optimist.

Chemically enhanced ner-do-wells = Zombies we all laugh about until one is inside your comfort space with evil intent. That's when you realize you should be somewhere else and that your .45 should be a 12 ga Serbu Shorty with a 12 rd magazine (I kid but you know what I mean)

Ask any Cop about drugged up clients of theirs. Booze, Coke, meth, opiates, etc... each bring about different & interesting interactions which can change a boring 8 hr shift into 3 or 4 minutes of "Wow! Now, THAT was interesting".

Loosedhorse
November 15, 2011, 09:48 AM
Drug addicts, EDPs (emotionally disturbed individuals), and "high-dedication" attackers share a common feature that make them formidable opponents: they just don't care at all if you shoot them.

My advice: practice failure to stop drills. A 9mm shot to the CNS is going to work.

Shadow 7D
November 15, 2011, 01:25 PM
Right, something mentioned, maybe even covered earlier

When you can't count on the PSYCHOLOGICAL factor of 'Oh, I've been shot' THUNK

you are then stuck with mechanical and electrical failure
so shooting out the knees would be a mechanical, a CNS would be electrical...

miles1
November 15, 2011, 04:24 PM
My unofficial forum survival guide actually covers this one:

1. Everyone that will ever consider robbing you is a 250 lb bodybuilding crackhead with an insatiable thirst for blood and damn near bulletproof skin. Only semi auto bullets starting with a .4, revolver calibers containing the word magnum, or 12 guage shotguns will do for defense.

2. All firearms are bought for the purpose of defense or SHTF situations. Even if you specifically state that it is for target practice (aka plinking), somebody will bring up tactical use, concealed carry, and "stopping power" at some point in the thread.

3. Zombies are no joke, it can and WILL eventually happen. You're either prepared or you're undead, pick one.

4. Will this caliber kill (insert animal) will result in answers about grizzly bears or drug addicts. It is inevitable.

5. Zinc guns will not last 1k rounds before flying apart and blowing off your hand. Everyone has had a buddy who knew a guy who had an uncle that blew his hand off with a J22 and can now only drive an automatic.

6. If you don't know about something, fake it till you make it.

7. Almost everyone around here can shoot the ass off of a fly at 100 yards firing offhand during a blizzard that came during a freak sandstorm.
I couldn't stop laughing when i read this.Thank you Kiln as you just made my day sir.

miles1
November 15, 2011, 04:29 PM
Oh.and to answer if a 9mm would be anough to stop a drug crazed BG that broke into my house?Hell yes as i would emptying my whole magazine(9mm) into that freak.........then maybe as i wait for the police i would conteplate the size of the multiple bullet holes in his dead carcass.......Just my 2 cents of course.

Jimfern
November 15, 2011, 04:48 PM
3. Zombies are no joke, it can and WILL eventually happen. You're either prepared or you're undead, pick one.

This is my favorite.

qcsmitty
November 15, 2011, 07:49 PM
Based on what I've read here, perhaps a deer on meth would be the ultimate adversary.:D

iron horse
November 16, 2011, 01:42 AM
Just use the 50gi, the Drug Addict Stopper...now the debate is over.:D

http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/50gi_cartridge.shtml

Kiln
November 16, 2011, 01:45 AM
Undead grizzly bear on meth wearing a leather jacket...unstoppable.

makarovnik
November 16, 2011, 01:47 AM
How about a really big rock.

shiftyer1
November 16, 2011, 01:57 AM
If you aim at the right spots and hit what your aiming at I guarentee there isn't a drug on the planet that will help him keep coming. It's no different than a very determined individual.

BushyGuy
November 16, 2011, 02:19 AM
keep shooting in the COM til the threat is stopped=problem solved. no matter what caliber pistol is used to bring down a drug-crazed attacker, keep firing till the threat has ceased.

there is no magic bullet 1 shot stopper ,every body reacts different.

allaroundhunter
November 16, 2011, 02:54 AM
No matter what defensive handgun I'm practicing with, I practice triple taps. 2 to COM, 1 to the head. I have never had to shoot at a person, but I would hope that this is how I would react to an imminent threat. Even if the guy is drugged up, a round to his CNS will stop him in his tracks.

ChCx2744
November 16, 2011, 06:25 AM
Now kids, this is why when COM hits to the chest net no reaction, we stitch our way up north.

miles1
November 16, 2011, 10:15 AM
Undead grizzly bear on meth wearing a leather jacket...unstoppable.
+1...LOL

Caliper_RWVA
November 16, 2011, 12:00 PM
Kind of. There is a physiological response that makes people fall over when they get hit. Your brain freaks out and tells your body to fall down. This effect can be mitigated or eliminated by drugs, shock, or adrenaline.

Not everyones response is the same. Hit some people and it just triggers the adrenaline response. In any kind of SD situation, everyones adrenaline is probably already running anyways.

I really wonder how much of the "I've been hit!" - THUD response we hear about isn't just society/Hollywood telling people that being hit by a bullet is a death sentence. As numerous accounts from shootings, war, and hunting demonstrate; it clearly isn't a guaranteed death sentence but your brain can choose to make it so.

brnmuenchow
November 16, 2011, 12:23 PM
Drug's do have a tremendous impact on the body and it's response to pain. Some types like .45 ACP, .357 Magnum are most likley going to have better effect on something like that but not very many police officers carry anything bigger than a .40 S&W.

tahunua001
November 16, 2011, 01:16 PM
My unofficial forum survival guide actually covers this one:

1. Everyone that will ever consider robbing you is a 250 lb bodybuilding crackhead with an insatiable thirst for blood and damn near bulletproof skin. Only semi auto bullets starting with a .4, revolver calibers containing the word magnum, or 12 guage shotguns will do for defense.

2. All firearms are bought for the purpose of defense or SHTF situations. Even if you specifically state that it is for target practice (aka plinking), somebody will bring up tactical use, concealed carry, and "stopping power" at some point in the thread.

3. Zombies are no joke, it can and WILL eventually happen. You're either prepared or you're undead, pick one.

4. Will this caliber kill (insert animal) will result in answers about grizzly bears or drug addicts. It is inevitable.

5. Zinc guns will not last 1k rounds before flying apart and blowing off your hand. Everyone has had a buddy who knew a guy who had an uncle that blew his hand off with a J22 and can now only drive an automatic.

6. If you don't know about something, fake it till you make it.

7. Almost everyone around here can shoot the ass off of a fly at 100 yards firing offhand during a blizzard that came during a freak sandstorm.


hahaha I've seen this a couple times and its still funny as heck...
for the record I have an uncle with 1 arm and he still drives stick :D

RinkRat
November 16, 2011, 02:58 PM
Didn't the Neanderthals use sticks and stones to fend off T-Rex :eek:

Oh wait ... Mr. T didn't have a gun ... my bad :rolleyes:

kgpcr
November 16, 2011, 08:44 PM
A body is like a tire. The bigger the hole the faster the air/blood comes out

Bozwell
November 17, 2011, 12:04 AM
Didn't the Neanderthals use sticks and stones to fend off T-Rex :eek:

Oh wait ... Mr. T didn't have a gun ... my bad :rolleyes:
We're getting off topic, but early humans and dinosaurs never fended each other off and existed quite a few (million) years apart. You do raise a good point though... T-rex on meth with a leather jacket. I'm going to have nightmares now.

1911Tuner
November 17, 2011, 06:06 AM
Once upon a time, a wise man who had seen the elephant more than a few times was asked what one should expect a GSW recipient to do upon being tagged. His response was to the point.

"You should expect him to continue doing whatever he was doing before he was shot."

Lotta wisdom in that.

Kiln
November 17, 2011, 06:12 AM
In all seriousness, even with larger rounds I train for a double tap because I worry that the attack might continue of I don't fire two shots. After that if the attacker isn't still coming towards me I'll determine if he/she is still a threat.

JohnBT
November 17, 2011, 08:23 AM
When I was a child I read about a man who had an iron bar driven through his head and lived. I bet it was bigger than 9mm, so multiple shots could be necessary. :)

Ah, he lived 12 years and his name was Phineas Gage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Phineas_gage_-_1868_skull_diagram.jpg

45_auto
November 17, 2011, 08:30 AM
The relevent question is whether he stopped what he was doing when the bar was driven through his head, NOT how long he lived afterward .....

The bar was an inch and a quarter in diameter (1.25"), weighed 13.25 pounds, and landed 80 feet away after passing through his head. Makes it a 1.25 caliber, 79500 grain projectile. Minimum initial velocity to travel 80 feet would be about 70 fps at a 45 degree angle, so it had a minimum of about 865 ft-lbs of energy, about the power of a strong 10mm.

He was walking and speaking "within a few minutes" of getting "shot", so apparently the hole through his head would qualify as a 1 shot stop.

mgmorden
November 17, 2011, 09:51 AM
In all seriousness, even with larger rounds I train for a double tap

I wouldn't get too attached to the idea of a double tap or "2 to the chest one to the head". In reality, you want to shoot until they fall down or run off. Doesn't matter what shot # you're on - you shoot until they stop attacking.

mgmorden
November 17, 2011, 09:58 AM
When I was a child I read about a man who had an iron bar driven through his head and lived. I bet it was bigger than 9mm, so multiple shots could be necessary.

It's not a 9mm, but I know a similar story. When I was a kid I had a neighbor whose husband had been in jail for many years. She had basically moved on and wasn't officially divorced, but had a new boyfriend.

Long story short, husband got out of jail, didn't like it, and abducted the new boyfriend. He took the guy down the road and shot him in the head FIVE TIMES with a .22LR pistol and left him for dead. My uncle was actually the one who found him. The victim survived. He had severe brain damage and isn't really "right" anymore (he lives in a home), but he's conscious and and alive. You certainly can't assume that any shot to the head is a death sentence.

Kind of sad that they even let him out. He was out of jail for a grand total of 2-3 days before he was back in for life.

dcarch
November 17, 2011, 11:01 AM
Kiln, that's probably the funniest thing I've read all day! And, BTW,with my accuracy potential, the flies are in no present danger. :D

Thatguy686
November 17, 2011, 04:03 PM
if your in a self defense situation and shoot someone 1-3 times and the remain moving towards your shoot their pelvic bone same goes for bears and other animals that may come straight at you if you shoot the pelvic bone no matter how doped up they are they cant walk i see people practicing 2 to the chest 1 to the head all the time and just laugh gl with that combo in real life i personally practice drawing and shooting 3 center mass and 2 to the hips or pelvic area for a few reasons as i mentioned i immobilizes them and thats 5 rounds so whether your used a semi auto or revolver you can train the same way

allaroundhunter
November 17, 2011, 06:34 PM
if your in a self defense situation and shoot someone 1-3 times and the remain moving towards your shoot their pelvic bone

If I'm in a self defense situation, I am going to completely stop the threat as quickly as possible. If 2 rounds COM don't do the trick, I'm moving north towards the head. A shot to the pelvis might immobilize a threat, but it will not always stop the threat if it is intent on harming you.

I will not differentiate between an attacker with a gun and an attacker with a knife or his bare hands. If you were to shoot an attacker who is wielding a gun in the pelvis to "immobilize" him, you have not stopped his trigger finger.

I am not going to train to react one way to a threat with a gun and another way for a threat with a knife. Both will be met with the force needed to stop them as quickly as possible.

tahunua001
November 17, 2011, 06:51 PM
Yeah and where are the Neanderthals today? Huh? Where?
smoking crack, taking steroids, lifting weights and preparing to break into someones house that only has a 380 for home defense :D

verdun59
November 17, 2011, 08:05 PM
Kiln,
You are spot on; however there are two things you overlooked:
The gun has to be made in the USA, and you don't stand a chance if it has a hiiiiiigh bore axis.

JohnBT
November 17, 2011, 10:28 PM
"The relevent question is whether he stopped what he was doing when the bar was driven through his head, NOT how long he lived afterward ....."

But you need to factor in that he wasn't on drugs when the bar went through his head. If he'd been high there's no telling how he would have reacted. The point being the human body can take a lot of punishment at times.

miles1
November 18, 2011, 01:24 PM
Which brings the question that if a person that looks crazed,dangerous,and intent on doing you harm,breaks in your house and starts charging at you;are you really gonna just shoot just one or two rounds then re-evaulate the situation?

Or are you going to empty a whole magazine into him?In the heat of the moment with your life on the line what would you really do?I wouldnt wait to see if the first round or two brings him down.You figure if your in your house(excluding living in a warehouse or mansion) your going to be maybe what?maybe 10 feet away at most from your attacker?

Sniper X
November 18, 2011, 05:55 PM
I can say from being in training with a lot of LEO's 90% of that myth is just that. Now someone on PCP which seems to be a drug of the past, has a better resistance to being shot than anyone else, but even then, if you shoot well even with a 380 or 9mm they are going to hit the floor or be out of the fight.

KAS1981
November 18, 2011, 06:10 PM
This happened a few miles from where I live.

The perp did in fact have meth in his system. Single .22 round to the chest. Game over.

http://theworldlink.com/news/local/article_0bd94802-4bfe-581d-aae6-621807cafd47.html

jackpinesavages
November 18, 2011, 06:33 PM
Nope, I've heard tell of heroin/meth zombies taking 5 LEO rds of .45 before THEY realize they are even being shot. This is why I preach head shots to stop the threat.

.38, 9mm+p, .357, .45, whatever. The CNS is shut down with head shots.

On a side note, regular range training classes are actually screwing with my Duty training as head shots are not rewarded as an A zone hit. Psychology. :cuss:

kgpcr
November 18, 2011, 07:18 PM
I hear stories about how a BG got hit 183 times in the chest and 16 times in the head and they keep coming and then walk into the hospital and are out in two days. I think the bigger the hole the faster they stop. I shoot a .45 with 210grn+P HP bullets. a few in the chest with that and its time to lay down LOL. Iam not worried what they are on. They just cant operate when you let the air out of them.

The Lone Haranguer
November 18, 2011, 07:23 PM
It doesn't require powerful drugs to make someone seemingly resistant to handgun fire. Plain old adrenaline, in conjunction with being a mean SOB, can have the same effect.

harvester
November 18, 2011, 09:02 PM
Philippine Moros 1899 vs US soldiers

Onmilo
November 19, 2011, 08:32 AM
I had one friend shot once in the back with a .25 who bled out and died within five minutes.
Another took a .32 S&W short point blank to the forehead and lived, bullet didn't even crack his thick skull.

Drug, like bullets, affect different people in different ways.
One person hopped up on drugs may fall down all the piss and vinegar taken right out after one hit with a .25 to the forearm and another may keep coming with a chest full of .45s

If you constantly worry about stuff like this, the gunfighting game isn't an arena you should play in.

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