Good gun for 3-400 yard shots (coyote)


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wdallis
November 15, 2011, 06:21 PM
Looking to thin some coyotes out, just hoping you guys or gals could help me pick out a gun that is pretty accurate at ranges of atleast 300 yards. Thank you

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W.E.G.
November 15, 2011, 06:23 PM
Any flat-top AR-15 with free-floated barrel.

HarcyPervin
November 15, 2011, 06:40 PM
this is a very, very, very long list...depends on what you want. Plenty of .223's and plenty of other calibers will make that shot in a semi (AR) or bolt action (or any other action). It really depends on what you want to spend and how dead you want them.

Are you looking for a gun that can also be used for _______________. If you want a gun to keep in the truck, by the back door, etc to randomly shoot a coyote, that's a different option than a plinker that can be used for pest control, or a highly specialized gun.

wdallis
November 15, 2011, 06:43 PM
Would be nice to also be able to deer hunt with it also. But trying to keep price under $400 though.

The Sarge
November 15, 2011, 06:43 PM
1941 Mosin Nagant

W.E.G.
November 15, 2011, 06:45 PM
$400 including what you will be using to AIM those 300-yard shots?

In that case, get you a used Glenfield 30-30 with a Simmons scope.

Ranger30-06
November 15, 2011, 06:46 PM
My personal choice would be a Savage bolt action in something along the lines of .22-250 or .223, with a 26" heavy barrel, and a decent 4-16x__ magnification scope with a bullet drop compensating reticle. I like Savage actions, 26" of barrel gives you a good boost on velocity once you get out there, and .223 or .22-250 won't destroy the pelt too badly. A good scope is key and a 4-16 gives you plenty of flexibility range wise.


An AR-15 will certainly do you well though, and if you want to hunt deer, you can just swap out the upper to something bigger. You can get a 24" varmint barrel and throw a good scope on it, but it will cost a good bit more than a bolt action.


Edit: Under $400, I say go with a Savage bolt action in .243, .270, or .30-06. Dicks Sporting Goods has had them as low as $350 including glass on sale. A decent AR will be well out of your range. Also, .30-06 ammo is everywhere and can be found cheap which is a nice plus.

HarcyPervin
November 15, 2011, 06:47 PM
Should be able to find a good .243, .270, .308, .30-06 bolt gun in that price range. People have been raving about the Savages, supposedly a great gun for the money. If you're not concerned about ruining pelts or anything like that, I'd go look for one of these, or a used brown-reming-chester or the like, lots of great buys out there in that range too if you do your shopping

Cluster Bomb
November 15, 2011, 06:50 PM
.243 would be good. If you don't care about the pelt or anything go 33wby mag that's good even at 1,000 yards.

HarcyPervin
November 15, 2011, 06:51 PM
1941 Mosin Nagant

There's one of these in every thread.:neener:


[QUOTE]Any flat-top AR-15 with free-floated barrel.[QUOTE]

These too.:neener:

wdallis
November 15, 2011, 06:52 PM
I have an AR-15, but it has a 16" barrel. Not sure if it would be to accurate at those distances.

Ranger30-06
November 15, 2011, 06:54 PM
Just doing some poking around here, but a gun store near me just sold a used but nice Browning BAR in .30-06 for just under $300. That leaves $100 for glass and BARs are pretty darn accurate too. Another gun store sells used bolt actions with scopes in all flavors for under $400 all the time. Just go in and see what you like!

Gunnerboy
November 15, 2011, 07:12 PM
Im being dead serious here i use a polish tantal ak-74 with the bipod and a scope and its a dead ringer at 300m, the best grouping i can get out there are 12in but thats good enough for me.

SGW42
November 15, 2011, 07:25 PM
Stevens 200 in .243 with Redfield or Nikon glass would be my rig for this mission.

godale
November 15, 2011, 07:31 PM
i am going to give the stevens 200 another vote. all a stevens is a savage 110 action without the accutrigger. check them out save the money for glass

Jeff H
November 15, 2011, 07:39 PM
I have an AR-15, but it has a 16" barrel. Not sure if it would be to accurate at those distances.

Why do you say that? The right AR 15s are regularly used in high powered competitions out to 600 yds or more and that is with open sights. I would think almost any AR should be able to keep a bullet in a 5" or so group out to 300+ yards. Most of the decent ones are 1moa or better= 3" at 300 yards.

and "I already have it" fits well within your budget. Maybe you could buy decent glass if you don't have it already with the extra money.

rcmodel
November 15, 2011, 08:22 PM
A .223 carbine is very likely accurate enough to hit coyotes at 400 yards.

The problem is, the .223 cartridge is a 250 yard coyote rifle, tops.
(If you don't want to watch about half of them run off and die somewhere else after you shoot them.)

A 22-250 or .243 stops a large majority of them DRT at 350-400 yards.

rc

nipprdog
November 15, 2011, 08:46 PM
pretty accurate at ranges of at least 300 yards

How much experience do you have at 300-400 yds?

Damon555
November 15, 2011, 09:44 PM
300-400 yard shots at a coyote is a pretty good poke...have you actually shot anything at those distances? A $400 rifle will get you there but you won't have anything left over for the scope. I would say that something along the 6mm lines would be the way to go. But let's be realistic about the ranges that we take shots. We owe it to our quarry to make quick, clean kills.

Strykervet
November 15, 2011, 09:54 PM
I have a 6.5 Grendel and an ACOG, but another $1000 scope would be better for that. Still, that rifle and scope cost more than $400. Not saying you have to spend $2000 on a setup, but you'll need a lot more than $400 to do what you want and do it right.

A SWFA Super Sniper Scope in fixed 10x is what you need to get started. $300+ there. Then find a good Remington or Savage bolt action in 7.62 or better, .260 or 6.5mm Creedmore... Maybe five or six hundred depending. Then spend time at the range and reading up on how to calculate shots using that scope and sending lead accurately at those ranges.

I say that, simply because you ask for a $400 rifle to perform these shots. Not that it can't be done, but it is unusual to say the least. But if deadset, Moisin I guess. Saw a guy ringing plates at 200y no problem with a beater that had been through hell.

I agree, clean quick kills.

Ranger30-06
November 15, 2011, 10:09 PM
Not to go off to far here, but why do people think $400 is so unreasonable? The M16 (20" Barrel) has sights up to 600 Meters (Over 650 yards). Does anyone want to stand 650 yards away at the edge of the .223's effective range and be shot at? NO. Because it still does damage out there!


My brother has a Savage edge (Equivalent of a Stevens) that he bought cheap at Dick's for $380, with glass, in .223. That thing can put 3 shots into an inch at 200 yards easily! It's more accurate than I can usually shoot, and I would take a 300 yard coyote shot any day provided I had a rest or something.

Eb1
November 15, 2011, 11:31 PM
This is an easy one. A .22-250 for dogs only at those distances..

If it was a yote gun only then a .22-250 would be the best choice IMO. Since you threw deer in the mix I would lean on the .25-06.

But let's see. A 400 yard rifle for dogs and deer.

.243 (pushing limits on deer)
.22-250 (no problem on dogs out to that range, deer would be pushing it)
All of the below would be no problem on deer or dogs.
.25-06
.270
.30-06
.308
7mm-08
7mm Mag
6.5x55
300 Win Mag

Sav .250
November 16, 2011, 07:10 AM
22-250. :)

MtnCreek
November 16, 2011, 09:28 AM
.243 is pretty versatile. Could be a ground hog to deer rifle.

Nicky Santoro
November 16, 2011, 10:28 AM
OP,
If you can scare up another $100 it will put you up a good bit. You can get the rifle for around $300 if you shop but you're going to need more than $100 for ammo and glass that will get you out to 400 yards. A $69 chinese special just won't get it done reliably. Even a scope that just gets into the "good" category like a Nikon Prostaff or Redfield Revolution will be at least $150. Add shipping and a box of ammo and you've spent $500 easily.
Buy once, cry once then enjoy your rifle.

Cluster Bomb
November 16, 2011, 10:29 AM
about 12 people in my family have killed a deer with the family's .243 Droped it dead

gotigers
November 16, 2011, 10:32 AM
Savage .223 bolt with 3-9x

Eb1
November 16, 2011, 10:34 AM
about 12 people in my family have killed a deer with the family's .243 Droped it dead

I am sure they have, but not @ 400+ yards most likely. No one is bashing the .243.

Cop Bob
November 16, 2011, 10:58 AM
I have a heck of a coyote, hog problem at my place, and my LONGEST shot is about 600 yds... my go too's are my .308's in bolts, and I have a 7mm Sharp & Hart that is a money gun at those ranges... I also have a 30-06 and a 7 Mag that will consistently hit the mark at those ranges... but I have been shooting long range rifle for years... it is a science...

At 200 some of my most impressive kills on Coyote's have been with the .17 rem, and the .220 Swift... something just magical about 4000 fps. Drop them DRT.. (dead right there) absolute instantaneous kills. and no exit..

Personally, at the ranges you mentioned, something in 6mm or bigger to open... 6x45 minimum... the .243 is good, 6mm Rem, good, .270 yup.... 25-06 yup... .220 swift, yup with heavier bullets, 52 gr or better.

.223 will do the job humanly if you do yours... just about all the 7mm class, 7mm-08, etc.. will do a fine job...

In the 30 cals, the 30-30Win is generally not up to snuff in the accuracy department, and generally considered to be a 150 yd gun... but most any other 30 cal bottle neck should get you there... My preference would be the .308, but that is just because there are so many good bullet/gun combos out there today that will shoot well...

Speed and bullet size are nice.... accuracy is certain.... Preferably a combination of the three.. 1st can the gun print, 2nd can you make it print at those ranges... If you can get the bullet to the target, most any caliber with a well placed shot will do the job on a 40-50lb Coyote...

Girodin
November 16, 2011, 07:22 PM
For coyotes out to 400 yards I'd be inclined to say a .22-250

Would be nice to also be able to deer hunt with it also. But trying to keep price under $400 though.

If you want a gun for deer too I'd probably get a .243 or possibly something like a .260 Rem.

Is $400 just for the rifle or does that include an optic?

I'd look for a Stevens or a Savage rifle. A stevens can be had for $320ish and a decent scope can be had for $175 or so. Not exactly you budget but I'd save longer and go over rather than buying a super cheap scope.

Abel
November 16, 2011, 07:26 PM
Deer and coyote to 400 yards = 25-06

Furncliff
November 16, 2011, 07:34 PM
Some states do not allow deer to be hunted with .223 and similar calibers. Whats the law in Ok?

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
November 16, 2011, 07:44 PM
Im just gonna hush on this one. The barrel alone on my dog rifle is out of his price range.

mshootnit
November 16, 2011, 07:51 PM
my dad killed a lot of coyotes with a ruger m77v 6mm its good to 300

another good option would be a 22-250 or 220 swift.

another friend of mine shot a 22-284 wildcat out of a 27" barrel. It was good to 400.

kfgk14
November 16, 2011, 08:04 PM
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Now add 20 round Lancer L5 AWM magazines, a Gunfighter charging handle, a Bravo Company FA BCG (not illegal, not a full-auto part, just built better), and good ammo.
You'll probably want an optic too. May I recommend the ACOG?

Ranger30-06
November 16, 2011, 08:08 PM
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-SS410-18-Rifle-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-18%20ss410%20vtrx13.htm
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http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/lower-kit-spikes-enhanced-parts-kit-p-422.html?zenid=de426d4a337c1df1e0da0e49a24b221c
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Now add 20 round Lancer L5 AWM magazines, a Gunfighter charging handle, a Bravo Company FA BCG (not illegal, not a full-auto part, just built better), and good ammo.
The upper alone in your suggestion is double what the OP said he would like to spend...


The .243 and .25-06 are both good calibers, and Savage and Marlin both make bolt actions for less than $400 in those calibers.

kfgk14
November 16, 2011, 08:22 PM
Oh. Missed the price listing...oops.
SKS and Tech sights?

tactikel
November 16, 2011, 09:24 PM
The $400 makes this tough, you may try:

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/axis in .243
calibers to consider: .22-250, .243/6mm, .25-06.
Do you need a 'yote gun to shoot an occasional dog at 300+ yards, or a gun for open areas where 300-400 yard shots are common? a gun that will hit a 5" target at 400 yards is a fine rifle, that if you arent fantastically lucky will cost far more that the $400.
It might be wise to look at used bolt actions from .22-250 to .270. if you can find a deal you may come close to your price range. Good luck and be sure to take only ethical shots, know your rifle and your capabilities.

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