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Byrd666
November 16, 2011, 12:45 AM
I'm looking for a 1911 with a 3" barrel under $1000.00 with some minor conditions/requirements

NO TOOLS REQUIRED for field strip - IMPORTANT
Reliable enough to carry on a daily basis
Reliable enough to use on a daily basis, not just carry, but to fire often as well
Will NOT need another grand to make it a reliable weapon
Prefer it to be warrantied, just in case it does crack under strain, etc.
Prefer 9mm or .40 - not a deal buster, just a prefrence

Any ideas guys and girls?

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gym
November 16, 2011, 12:52 AM
Defnder, Agent, Solo,Some officers,just google 1911, 3" with standard bushing, you should get a hand full

bruzer
November 16, 2011, 03:24 AM
I've got a Kimber Ultra Carry II in .40. Read lots of issues with Kimber's but so far mine has been good. Maybe mine can't read. Wife likes it. As far as No Tools it comes with a little curved wire for take down. A YouTube search will show how to take down the Ultra Carry II without it. The bigger Kimbers need it but you can get it field stripped without tools for the Ultra Carry.
Mike

9mmepiphany
November 16, 2011, 04:02 AM
For a reliable 3" 1911 style gun in 9mm or .40, the only one that I'd consider dependable enough to carry is the Springfield EMP. If you change out the grip screws, you could detail strip it without tools

I got mine NIB for under $1k, but with the recent price increases, you'd likely have to find one that has been previously owned.

When the barrel of a .45ACP sized 1911 (the EMP isn't) gets much below 4.25", your window of functionality gets much smaller

harmon rabb
November 16, 2011, 09:05 AM
3" 9mm 1911? Springfield EMP. I wouldn't even bother considering anything else. Reliable, a joy to shoot, nice trigger, excellent warranty, very pretty.

PabloJ
November 16, 2011, 09:45 AM
I'm looking for a 1911 with a 3" barrel under $1000.00 with some minor conditions/requirements

No tools required for field strip - IMPORTANT
Reliable enough to carry on a daily basis
Reliable enough to use on a daily basis, not just carry, but to fire often as well
Will NOT need another grand to make it a reliable weapon
Prefer it to be warrantied, just in case it does crack under strain, etc.
Prefer 9mm or .40 - not a deal buster, just a prefrence

Any ideas guys and girls?
You're looking for unicorn of a gun......a mythical "beast" of sorts.:scrutiny:

2wheels
November 16, 2011, 10:06 AM
I've got a Colt New Agent in .45 (they come in 9mm, and if you want sights the Defender is essentially the same gun) and a Springfield EMP in 9mm (they also come in .40). The EMP may be hard to find for under 1k, but it's possible.

Neither requires tools to field strip, both ran reliably out of the box. If I had to pick one, it'd probably be the EMP.

2wheels
November 16, 2011, 10:07 AM
You're looking for unicorn of a gun......a mythical "beast" of sorts.:scrutiny:
Oh reeeallly?

Then I've got 2 unicorns sitting in my safe right now.

dusty14u
November 16, 2011, 10:11 AM
You're looking for unicorn of a gun......a mythical "beast" of sorts.:scrutiny:
I have been loking for the same thing. I can't reccomend the path I have taken right now. I really, really like the 1911 platform and started off with a 5" Kimber Raptor. Then I picked up an ATI 4-1/4" GI and it has been a great gun so I picked up an ATI Titan 3-1/8 Officer model. I have been working on the reliability because the original recoil springs didn't hold up to regular practice. The Colt Defender spring package looks like it will work fine. I aso picked up two different spring packages from Wolf Springs and have to try them out. The gun costs $420 from Buds and the springs have been very cheap. I have been following this thread
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=291804&page=9

for ideas and insights. Once I have a few hundred error free rounds I will trust it to carry.


I know many people like the Kimber Ultra Carry 1911's and use them as their main ccw's. I haven't had the money to get one yet but it is on my bucket list. I also like the EMP's but they are pretty expensive also.

Madcap_Magician
November 16, 2011, 11:22 AM
I wish the EMP had a 3.5" barrel.

Walkalong
November 16, 2011, 01:47 PM
+1 for the EMP in 9MM (http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=115220&d=1265772620). Superb guns.

wditto
November 16, 2011, 02:12 PM
you can get two RIA for that price......

Rail Driver
November 16, 2011, 02:15 PM
I second the vote for the RIA. I've had 2 and currently have one I'm customizing. They're great guns.

Furncliff
November 16, 2011, 02:17 PM
Third the RIA.

2wheels
November 16, 2011, 02:20 PM
I've met lots of happy RIA owners, however all of them owned full sized or commander length 1911s.

I'm interested to hear from owners of officers length RIA 1911s. Shorty 1911s don't have a good rep for reliability to begin with (though I've learned they can be great when they're made right) and I'm interested to know how RIA does with them.

G27RR
November 16, 2011, 09:44 PM
Colt Defender

KenW.
November 16, 2011, 10:02 PM
My Colt Defender was absolutely perfect.

Then I put those cursed XS Big Dot sights on it. YUK.

test drive
November 16, 2011, 10:18 PM
Been carrying a Springfield GI micro compact .45 for 5 years now. great gun. the GI runs around 550.00 new. the loaded version which is light weight,beaver tail,night sights,lowerd and flared ejector port and long trigger (also can get with or with out light rail) for around a grand. they are 3 inchers and .45 cal.

Byrd666
November 16, 2011, 11:39 PM
Thanx all for the responses. Please keep 'em coming.

I was researching the ATI and the RIA when I started thinking about what choices might actually be available. Glad I did, I completely forgot about the Colt models, and I never knew about the Sprinfield mini GI model.

Now for a few follow up questions

I've heard horror stories of Kimber's QC and CS, have they gotten any better? Or is it a headache I'd really just rather avoid? And some questions have been posted here and there about warranty issues without resolve. Do ya'll know if they (Kimber) have gotten better about that?

I've heard and read of some horror stories about the P.I. brands as well. Slides being cracked right out of the box, spring, extractor and or other problems with both ATI and RIA as well as the AC, American Classic, line. Magazine problems along with FTF and FTE from all three seem to be a more prevalent problem with these brands than any others. Is this really the case?

I know any manufacturer of firearms, or of anything for that fact, is likely to have a few bad apples here and there. And that almost all firearms need a break-in period. I just don't want to have the hassle of sending this off to the factory every ten days. Just looking for a good pistol right outta the box. I think we all want that.

Add on -

test drive? - Does that mini GI have a simple break down, meaning no tools and such?

9mmepiphany
November 17, 2011, 12:14 AM
I just don't want to have the hassle of sending this off to the factory every ten days. Just looking for a good pistol right outta the box. I think we all want that.
It's beginning to sound like what you're looking for is a Kahr 9mm...K9 (steel) or P9 (polymer)

Nushif
November 17, 2011, 12:26 AM
Officer size RIA owner here. If they made it in 9mm I'd have that one, too.

Ken Rainey
November 17, 2011, 02:03 AM
Well, not to throw gas on a fire concerning Kimber, but I had an Ultra Eclipse from their Custom Shop that had several issues...I finally figured out all of it's problems and got everything set as it should have been from the factory and it ran fine. I've read of many happy owners so don't let my problem child scare you off if you want one.

In fact, I have several other full size Kimbers (pre series two .45s and series two 9mm's) that run fine and the Ultra Eclipse was the only one that I even considered selling - which I did to friend who is happy with it. Now, my "officer" sized .45 auto is an RIA, yep ... got it in trade from another friend, put a set of double diamond wood grips on it and she's good to go and accurate too. I only feed it 230 FMJ but out of a short barrel, I don't expect any expansion and really wouldn't want any that might slow the bullet down any more than it is so that the needed penetration will still be there - but that's another story....anyway, I recommend you check them out..they are priced right and I've only read good things about their customer support...yep, I am impressed with mine.

RonSC
November 17, 2011, 03:00 AM
Another vote for the Colt Defender. VERY reliable and digests everything I've fed it.

Blue68f100
November 17, 2011, 05:52 PM
I have a Kimber Ultra Carry SS TLE II in 45acp. Mine has been flawless right out of the box with the factory mag and Wilson 47D, 1400 rounds and counting. It has become my main carry gun now for 6mo. Love the compact size. The std sights on the base model are hard to see, so night sights may be needed.

G27RR
November 17, 2011, 10:23 PM
My Kimber Super Carry Pro experience was not a good one, both with the pistol and their repair work. I've posted about it before so I won't repeat it all here.

My Colt Defender has been 100% trouble free from the start, with well over 1,000 rounds through it. It was my carry until I couldn't resist buying an STI Shadow.

71Commander
November 18, 2011, 09:39 AM
Technically it's not a 1911 but I have a Para C6-45 that will eat anything I feed it. Has a cone barrel with a reverse plug. No tools for take down.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/tucker13/9c1ebdf5.jpg

Byrd666
November 18, 2011, 05:51 PM
I looked into one of those a while back. While they are a decent weapon and well made, I just couldn't over the "weird" feel of the trigger. And as you pointed out, it's not a 1911

CDW4ME
November 20, 2011, 03:28 PM
Some people recommended them and like them, but I've got no love for the Colt Defender.

Background first: I had two 45 acp Kimber Ultra II 3" 1911's that were reliable after I used Tripp magazines in them. I did not like the fact that they were infested with MIM and had a "in the white" barrel. The Kimbers worked fine, I simply sold them in an effort to "upgrade" my 1911 collection.

I bought a Colt Talo Night Defender to replace one of the Kimbers; the Colt had a stainless barrel and less MIM than Kimber. However, the Colt Defender threw brass at my head. I sent it back for repair and about 10 weeks later when it returned it still threw brass at my head. Colt CS said brass to the head was my fault which really ticked me off so I sold the Colt (I've seen threads by others who also get hit with brass from the Defender). Yes, I know I possibly could have fixed the problem myself, but I did not have any pride of ownership in the Colt after the CS experience (repair or oral communication). I do not think it was my fault (read I know it wasn't) in how I was gripping the pistol as the cause of brass to the head, or I would have been hit a few times in the head by one or both of those Kimbers. Bear in mind that I had about 600 rounds each through those two Kimbers, and I shot 250 in one day when I impatiently tried to get through the Kimber recommended 500 round break-in.

I turned to SA and the EMP. I normally will not buy a pistol with an internal lock, but the SA version can be removed and I had little other choice in 3" 1911. (Yes, I know SA "likely" has some MIM, but at least the barrel is stainless). I replaced the IL mainspring and ambi safety.

The EMP now has over 400 rounds through it with one single fail to feed at about the 100 round mark with a Federal 147 gr. HP. I've since put another 300 rounds including 160 rounds of Federal 115 9BP HP without a problem.

The EMP 9mm is pleasant to shoot; ejected brass is deposited in a consistent area a few feet to my right (regardless of grip) so, it has never hit me with a single brass case.

I guess the best recommendation I can give the EMP is this: I'm getting a 40 EMP too. If the aluminum frame 9mm is such a sweet shooter, then a steel frame 40 should be as well.

The EMP does require the use of a small half circle thing to remove the recoil spring assembly, but it seems like a small inconvience for the rest of the package.

I've not needed it, but the general consensus is that Springfield's CS is excellent.

1911Tuner
November 20, 2011, 03:37 PM
Don't like'em. Too dang persnickety.

test drive
November 20, 2011, 08:47 PM
Thanx all for the responses. Please keep 'em coming.

I was researching the ATI and the RIA when I started thinking about what choices might actually be available. Glad I did, I completely forgot about the Colt models, and I never knew about the Sprinfield mini GI model.

Now for a few follow up questions

I've heard horror stories of Kimber's QC and CS, have they gotten any better? Or is it a headache I'd really just rather avoid? And some questions have been posted here and there about warranty issues without resolve. Do ya'll know if they (Kimber) have gotten better about that?

I've heard and read of some horror stories about the P.I. brands as well. Slides being cracked right out of the box, spring, extractor and or other problems with both ATI and RIA as well as the AC, American Classic, line. Magazine problems along with FTF and FTE from all three seem to be a more prevalent problem with these brands than any others. Is this really the case?

I know any manufacturer of firearms, or of anything for that fact, is likely to have a few bad apples here and there. And that almost all firearms need a break-in period. I just don't want to have the hassle of sending this off to the factory every ten days. Just looking for a good pistol right outta the box. I think we all want that.

Add on -

test drive? - Does that mini GI have a simple break down, meaning no tools and such?
Yes the SA GI micro can be field stripped without any tools. it does come with a little plastic clip to use on the guide rod but its not a must use. SA has the best CS you can get.

Byrd666
December 16, 2011, 08:26 PM
What can I say. EVERYONE here at The High Road has been more than helpful.

For right, wrong, or otherwise, I have decided on on the Springfield Armory EMP .40 as my choice. I think the .45 is just a tad too much, and the 9mm is just a tad too little. Ease of takedown, if that can really be said of doing Anything one handed, was another factor. And so was Customer Service. As well as reviews and company reputation along with my personal interaction with said pistol.

Once again thanks to all for the responses.

Snobal
December 16, 2011, 09:41 PM
Sounds like you have made your decision.

My favorite is a 3 1/2" Citadel. Less than $500. Groups (from sandbags) at 25 yards into less than 3".

Good luck on whatever you choose.

orionengnr
December 17, 2011, 12:44 AM
NO TOOLS REQUIRED for field strip - IMPORTANT
So...good luck with that EMP. :neener:

9mmepiphany
December 17, 2011, 12:55 AM
For right, wrong, or otherwise, I have decided on on the Springfield Armory EMP .40 as my choice.
Very good choice. I consider the EMP a very good value in it's category. It's price belies it's workmanship...it is every bit the equal of the TRP.

I personally found the weight of the steel frame of the .40 unacceptable...but then, I have long been comfortable with the 9mm

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