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Vlad357
November 19, 2011, 06:31 PM
I voted with my feet for the first time today on CCW. Deer hunting in Northern WI, and a restaurant I normally stop at had a big 'no weapons, concealed or otherwise" sign in the window. I stopped in to let them no about their loss, and then went to the place next door.

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Fleet
November 19, 2011, 06:46 PM
I did years ago...I moved out of Ca.

orionengnr
November 19, 2011, 09:04 PM
Good job. Sometimes the direct method is the best.

Hope you talked to the manager or owner...the front-line employees probably don't care and are powerless to change the policy.

hso
November 19, 2011, 09:09 PM
Yes, it only does any good if you tell management why you're taking your money to their competitors.

Vlad357
November 20, 2011, 12:09 PM
Yes I talked to the manager, and suggested they amend the sign to day "no illegal guns" I just got my WI CCW permit a couple of days before.

oldbear
November 22, 2011, 04:47 PM
I voted with my feet for the first time today on CCW.

Vlad357, now that is the best way to effect change, good for you.

Steve Raacke
November 24, 2011, 04:13 AM
I go home and add them to the Friend or Foe dot US webpage so everyone can know ahead of time that they are antigun.

Dr Pepper
December 11, 2011, 09:20 AM
We went out for pizza shortly after Ohio changed the law concerning carry in a place that serves alcohol. The Pizza Hut down the road has the "anti-gun" sign on the door.

Figured nobody important would be working at 9pm or too busy to care, so I emailed Pizza Hut corporate. A woman replied she would forward my message to the owner of that restaurant.

Two months later, this weekend, we pulled in to Pizza Hut and saw the sign.
Went to another pizza place and replied to the previous response from my phone while waiting on food.

I told them not to bother with their policy because I won't be back and found another place that allows customers to be responsible for themselves. After that amount of time, I know they stand by their sticker.

Might seem stupid to some that it's just a pizza joint but it's my money and I do "vote with my feet".

Ben86
December 11, 2011, 09:32 AM
Because they don't care about 2nd Amendment rights the only thing that can effect change is causing them to loose money. That is the only thing they care about. You did the right thing. We just have to show them that gun friendly businesses get our money and anti-gun businesses do not. It's just that simple. Luckily there are usually many alternatives to shop at so it is not that difficult.

langenc
December 11, 2011, 09:58 PM
Pizza or steak-no discrimination... Get em all..

hso
December 11, 2011, 10:58 PM
A woman replied she would forward my message to the owner of that restaurant.

It is a waste of time and effort talking to a Pizza Hut corporate rep when the business was a locally owned franchise. If you had spoken with the actual owner who is far more impacted by the loss of your business than an employee of the Pizza Hut you might have affected a change.

Bubbles
December 12, 2011, 10:23 AM
When it comes to restaurants, interestingly enough I've found that the "ethnic" ones are much more receptive to CCW and OC than the "American" ones.

Ben86
December 12, 2011, 10:29 AM
When it comes to restaurants, interestingly enough I've found that the "ethnic" ones are much more receptive to CCW and OC than the "American" ones.

Very true, I've never seen any anti-gun signs on those types of restaurants. They also usually have the best food at great prices.

eastbank
December 12, 2011, 01:05 PM
my wife and i eat at a special resturant when we shop in the next town(large mall),i ask the owner if he ok,ed ccw,s there. he ask if i was carrying and i said yes and he said so am i. no problem. we make it a point to eat there when we go close to his place and if he,s there he always comes over to say hello. eastbank.

leadcounsel
December 12, 2011, 01:10 PM
Kudos.

I've voted with my dollars many many times, and continue to do so. Products, vacation places, states I avoid, and restaurants.

I often let the owner or manager how much I had intended to spend, and why I'm leaving. I love the look on their face when they watch $100 or whatever walk out the door because of their stupid policy.

Yes, emailing corporate is a waste of time. You've got to talk to the man who's job is day to day based on restaurant profits.

Ghost Tracker
December 12, 2011, 01:30 PM
It's the logic of the sign(s) that makes me wonder if I want to eat there. In what series of circumstances are those "No Guns Allowed" postings going to have their intended result? And I would be interested to know if business volume is favorably or unfavorably effected by their appearance. Do more folks eat there or avoid the place after noticing the sign? Are there more sheep...or more sheepdogs?

danweasel
December 12, 2011, 02:20 PM
I just got back from Madison WI. I was there for 2 weeks for some schoolin'. Anyways, I saw a few no guns signs but I ate at those places anyways. I would have avoided them if they weren't also the breweries serving the best beer around. Then again, I didn't have a gun and I was in a BREWERY, which I wouldn't be all for guns in anyways. Makes me a little uncomfortable, hahaha. Either way, it doesn't bother me much, I just avoid 'em (back home, I mean) I don't figure they want gun people in there or they wouldn't have put the sign up. They made their choice.

Didn't WI, just pass a "no CCW required law"?

W.E.G.
December 12, 2011, 02:39 PM
Who would really recommend a sign that says "no illegal guns?"

That is wrong from every perspective.

By all means tell the managers when they are driving your business away.
Be sure to compliment the folks who stand up for your rights, or who at least have the good sense to butt their business out of the political posturing.

I wrote to Starbucks when they publicly announced that they were NOT going to prohibit guns in their stores unless state law required it - which almost no state does.

Strykervet
December 12, 2011, 03:53 PM
There is a thread on here with an idea of a card you can hand over to anti establishments to change their minds. As long as it isn't too confrontational, as long as the owner of the establishment doesn't feel backed against a wall, he may be more apt to do it. But it should warn nicely that anti establishments will be listed online so that others can boycott them as well.

One store here, Fred Meyer, they have an anti position but it isn't enforced at all locations. The one here behind the military base and their range complex and next to two large shooting ranges on the way to the forests, they don't have anti signs and they don't say anything when I carry in there. Lots of folks boycott stuff like that here, OpenCarry.org is REAL big here, and organized that big Starbucks deal awhile back, which is just down the street from this Fred Meyer. So I think the community has a lot to do with it too, and some will just try and see if it sticks. If they make it anti and nobody says anything...

I suspect some do it out of fear of insurance. If a shooting happens in their store and they get sued, they can just say "we had a sign, not our fault".

What we have to do is make it more expensive to take that route through loss of sales. And stop dealing with the "enemy". I certainly don't want to spend in a store that has an anti policy AND donates large amounts of money to political campaigns. By not shopping there, they have to refigure how much they are willing to donate due to a cut in profits.

It also sends a message to other stores --tell the ones that allow it or don't bother you or whatever why you shop there. Positive reinforcement works well in tandem with negative reinforcement.

Since those signs don't mean anything here legally, I carry where I want (and since they don't mean anything, they aren't popular). They can ask me to leave and get me for trespassing if I refuse, but I wouldn't refuse, I'd start the boycott and spread the word.

Some things are just worth doing this way. I still boycott BP and a LOT of folks around here do too. In WA, and over what happened in the Gulf. As a southerner, as someone who spent times in those waters, I cried over what they did down there. To give them any money, I couldn't live with it. Mind you, they have the cheapest gas around here. They are always the lowest price, even if there are four on a corner, they will ALWAYS be cheapest. But for some reason, they seem to be going under left and right now. The closest one to me, they closed completely because they tried to change the name and fool people, but when people learned the gas still came from BP, rather the money went to BP for that gas, they stopped going. There are few like that in the news I heard about, but this one I've seen the impact. In just over one year, they went from being the biggest gas station on the corner to being out of business so bad that even the color of the building and the signs keeps people away --they are currently bagged and wrapped up in black plastic while the new owner seem to be rushing to try and get business back up and changing the colors and front so folks will know BP doesn't get money from this location any longer.

Some folks start a boycott and don't follow through. Personally, I won't use BP ever again for what they got away with in the Gulf. And seeing the fruits of my labors and others in concert, it has inspired me to do this with anything that bothers me. It seems you get one political vote with little meaning, but you get many votes with your dollars. Since business is in business for money and not ideology, I think they would be more than willing to change the ideology they do espouse in order to get bigger profits and more business.

If you feel wronged, most certainly go someplace else. And if you don't care and shop at anti establishments because you can't resist, why not go ahead and donate a little to the Brady Campaign while you're at it? I mean, why not? The stores you frequent, they do, so since you both feel the same way you should work together to succeed at your goals.

Yessir, vote with them dollars!

YankeeClipper
December 12, 2011, 07:04 PM
I see your point. One store in Malta Montana has a"NO GUNS ALLOWED" sign. One on my Navy buddies worked there so when I went in I made sure I had pistol in my pocket and of course I never spent dime just drank the free coffee.

Ben86
December 13, 2011, 10:36 AM
Yes, emailing corporate is a waste of time. You've got to talk to the man who's job is day to day based on restaurant profits.

And be sure to tell him about your other friends and family members who CC that won't be interested in attending his restaurant once they find out it is anti-gun.

MuleRyder
December 13, 2011, 08:44 PM
my wife and i eat at a special resturant when we shop in the next town(large mall),i ask the owner if he ok,ed ccw,s there. he ask if i was carrying and i said yes and he said so am i. no problem. we make it a point to eat there when we go close to his place and if he,s there he always comes over to say hello. eastbank.
+1!

Ryanxia
December 21, 2011, 04:01 PM
I must admit I hardly notice those signs and go in anyway (CCW) if I do. I should 'vote with my feet' but don't really think about it. The big chains that don't allow it I write to corporate and stay clear of, ie. toys r us, jared's jewlers, etc.

Ben86
December 21, 2011, 04:33 PM
The big chains that don't allow it I write to corporate and stay clear of, ie. toys r us, jared's jewlers, etc.

Sadly I believe those companies still operate under the assumption that most people don't CC and don't care if it is not allowed in their store. Although they may loose a small bit of business to angry concealed carriers they save more money with their insurance companies and possible lawsuits.

Ryanxia
December 21, 2011, 04:57 PM
On one of these threads awhile back someone took pictures of his receipts from OTHER stores and e-mailed them to the corporate chains showing them what they missed out on :)

locnload
December 23, 2011, 07:26 AM
Early on in Colorado's "Shall Issue" beginning, a local car dealer had a "No Firearms" sign on the door going into the Showroom from outside. An area rancher had stoped in the lot to look at a new pick up. This wasn't some hobby farm owner, he owned a large working ranch and could write a check on the spot for a new F-350 King Ranch Ford truck if he darned well wanted one. He looked at a new pick up, talked to the salesman, and they were headed inside to iron out the details and fill out the paperwork. The rancher saw the no guns sign on the door and said, "I dont want to go against your rules, but I'm not going in there naked". He told the salesman to have a nice day and left to go buy a new truck elsewhere. That sign was gone before the day ended. :neener:

Now thats voting with your feet "Rancher Style".:D

ultradoc
December 23, 2011, 07:30 AM
At one time I bought some cards that you could pass out to stores that had the 'anti gun' sign. It bassically said that I am going to respect your no guns allowed sign and take my business elsewhere.

Quoheleth
December 23, 2011, 07:37 AM
Here's the thread with the no-business business card.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=603581

Q

ultradoc
December 23, 2011, 07:49 AM
Yep. That's it. Thanks Quoheleth.

Ryanxia
December 23, 2011, 09:54 AM
That's a neat card. I might print out a few of them.

langenc
February 9, 2012, 10:43 PM
Tell em you will discuss at the next gun club meeting-and then discuss it there. You will probably find another half-dozen places to buycott.

sedona
February 11, 2012, 12:40 AM
I had a similar experience as the rancher.I was looking at a new vehicle a couple of years ago and as i was walking in the door i noticed the sign.Drove 6 miles and bought the same car and got a little better deal.

mljdeckard
February 11, 2012, 12:51 AM
It works both ways. On the 14th of February, I am going to have a coffee and a brownie at Starbucks. I am going to tell the manager it's because their corporate policy is to allow law-abiding citizens of all stripes to shop there. In Utah they couldn't stop me anyway. But it's important to make sure they know that we are more numerous and effective than the opposition is.

pezo
March 9, 2012, 08:33 AM
There is no force of law behing signs in michigan. Just a trespass violation if you refuse to leave if "discovered". Places do still put signs up like TGIF in utica/shelby twnshp mi for example. I avoid the places with signs for their opposition to our 2nd amendment rights when possible but when not as long as they are not legal pistol free zones I still carry concealed and dont think twice about it. Thats like having a no blue underware sign, unless you drop your pants how the heck are they going to know! ha

2'Bucks'11
March 9, 2012, 12:33 PM
Ok, I am a pizza delivery guy in Wisconsin. A friend and I both got are CCW for work. Now my boss is telling me that if we carry in the store we are fired. However, the store is NOT posted no weapons to the customers. (for fear of upsetting long time patrons) What do I do, bc the way the law is worded up here it may or may not be on my side.

coondogger
April 30, 2012, 02:33 PM
Former home: Illinois, with total gun control.

Present home: New Hampshire, with NO gun control.

oneounceload
April 30, 2012, 02:47 PM
Do more folks eat there or avoid the place after noticing the sign? Are there more sheep...or more sheepdogs?

This would be some interesting data to see if the "soccer' moms feel much safer or not.

Ok, I am a pizza delivery guy in Wisconsin. A friend and I both got are CCW for work. Now my boss is telling me that if we carry in the store we are fired. However, the store is NOT posted no weapons to the customers. (for fear of upsetting long time patrons) What do I do, bc the way the law is worded up here it may or may not be on my side.

You are an employee -it sounds like you are about to be terminated if you bring your gun into the restaurant. So leave it in your car - you need for deliveries at the customers' homes, not in the shop, right?

Sav .250
May 1, 2012, 10:10 AM
Hard to believe in "hunting" country you`d see such a sign/notice.

You did go! Hope the grub was good.

As you see, I`m a little late to the dance.......

ForumSurfer
May 1, 2012, 10:16 AM
Yes, it only does any good if you tell management why you're taking your money to their competitors.

I agree. I've actually seen it work...once, just once. I felt REALLY great knowing I instigated the change, though. :)

That being said, I live in NC. Most any decent restaurant serves alcohol and any establishment that serves alcohol is a no go for carrying. It stinks. Other than a few mom and pop joints, most places that are decent also have at least cold beer on the menu.

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