Keeping it real. Pet peeve time.


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Redlg155
November 20, 2011, 12:22 AM
Please don't send pictures to a publication claiming your 2 yoa son shot a 11 point with his .270.

Don't claim you ranch raised, genetically seleccted, high fence raised trophy whitetail that you paid several thousand for as a fair chase kill. This actually was tried by a Florida hunter who ended up with criminal charges for entering it in a contest.

I've know folks who without a doubt poach deer and have the nerve mount the head. We all know those who we highly suspect, but can't prove.

If I'm hunting in a block of woods and have been there all morning, I still have the right to shoot any deer that crosses my path..regardless of the fact you arrived much later with your dogs.

If you come across me in my stand, please don't stop and try to have a conversation. Did I see. anything this morning? yep...you.

Please don't drag your deer all over town for hours on end to show your buddies, to include stopping to eat lunch at the diner when it's 70degrees outside.

Any one else need to vent?:D

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12gaugeTim
November 20, 2011, 12:29 AM
My 19 month old daughter got her first buck yesterday - a 7 pointer with a compound bow at 60 yards. Wanna pic?

ShotgunFanatic
November 20, 2011, 12:29 AM
I think you covered everything, heckuva rant :)

courtgreene
November 20, 2011, 02:46 AM
yes... if you shot at a deer, that doesn't mean you hit it. Don't lie about it and spend an hour under my stand looking for the deer that we both know you missed. When living things are hit with a bullet, they bleed. Own your miss and move on. Then, later, when you're NOT right on top of where I am hunting (I should say WAS before you showed up), work on your shooting and tracking skills.

Thefabulousfink
November 20, 2011, 03:21 AM
Yes, Please stop shooting from inside the cab of your truck on public land (do what you want on your own.) And Please don't drive your truck, with rifles pointed out the windows down the logging road along the treeline looking for a lucky shot...then back the other way 30 min later... then again 30 min after that. [/facepalm]

Zombiphobia
November 20, 2011, 09:47 AM
our kindergarten center used to have a small herd of really nice looking deer. Trophies for any state, fenced or otherwise. A bunch of high school kids went over with a .22 and a machete to harvest the heads... only heads, and showed off the antlers at school. They were promptly arrested as it was widely known the only trophy deer of that caliber were at the kindergarten... and were brutally murdered and decapitated recently.
If anyone here is from the columbia county florida region, you know what I'm talking about. I believe their story was about a trophy hunt on some big Texas ranch. If I remember right, they even left the ear tags on.

My rant is those deer were there for the community to enjoy and some dumb-sh^&^& rednecks wanted to brag about slaughtering them for the publicly recognizeable antlers. Even inside-cab 'drive' hunting has more honor than that.

ClickClickD'oh
November 20, 2011, 10:06 AM
One of my biggest pet peeves... This mentality:

Don't claim you ranch raised, genetically seleccted, high fence raised trophy whitetail that you paid several thousand for as a fair chase kill.

Hunters who are too closed minded to realize that just because there's a fence doesn't mean squat.

Let me get this straight... what you are saying is that because the ranch management spends a lot of time and effort selectively cutting the herd to ensure better genetics, and because there's a fence somewhere around a couple thousand acres... it's not really hunting? ...as if you could magically summon the perfect buck to your location? News flash, deer are still deer inside or outside of a fence. The big bucks still get to be that way by being smart. Adding a fence doesn't cause them to be suicidal.

This sort of mentality usually comes from the same crowd that decrys hunting over a feeder... while they spend their whole season hunting over a corn field in a tree they've liberally soaked with some sort of lure. You might as well just mow "Boss Buck" in the field, because it's a feeder.

lizziedog1
November 20, 2011, 10:08 AM
If you are hunting on public land, please pick up after yourself. This includes shotshell hulls. If you are too lazy to pick up spent shells, then at least get a break open shotgun.

Art Eatman
November 20, 2011, 11:06 AM
Let's not get off on that silliness about high fences, okay?

lowerunit411
November 20, 2011, 11:51 AM
ill second lizziedog...not only shells but any trash.....and it doesnt matter wether its public land or not. dont trow trash on the ground...period....i think thats the one thing that truely *isses me off. i fish blue water and youd be shocked what i see 100 miles off shore...and i rarely go into the woods without negotiating trash.....lazy*ass people...pick it up...haul it out..

ZeroJunk
November 20, 2011, 12:04 PM
How about club members who put up six or eight stands effectively laying claim to the spot although they say you can use it if you like but never tell you where or when they are going to hunt. PITA for us that like to still hunt when every likely spot has a stand on it.

H&Hhunter
November 20, 2011, 12:25 PM
Missing a deer at 100 yards like I did the other day! I HATE when I do that!! And it was a big one too.

Of course I've figured out why I missed. It was due to geographic misalignment of the sub continental shelf causing a gravity shift and a crystal vortex energy burst to send a focused beam of of highly concentrated sub atomic matter deflecting my bullet as it left the muzzle.


That's my story and I'm sticking to it.:)

ZeroJunk
November 20, 2011, 12:59 PM
It was due to geographic misalignment of the sub continental shelf causing a gravity shift and a crystal vortex energy burst to send a focused beam of of highly concentrated sub atomic matter deflecting my bullet as it left the muzzle.

Wow, that's bad luck.

Redlg155
November 20, 2011, 02:20 PM
agreed...I don't want this thread to become a high fence debate. I don't have an issue with it, and I would probably try one in Texas one day, but be honest and state that you harvested the animal at such a place and not give an implication otherwise.

Another peeve...do bears crap in th woods? Apparently people do as well. Nothing worse than a toilet paper "gut pile" with accompanied by the souvenir balled up underwear.

tarosean
November 20, 2011, 02:22 PM
- An arrow does not kill like a bullet.. Please to not give up your search after 5mins.

oneounceload
November 20, 2011, 09:08 PM
What's a stand?

It's called "hunting", not "waiting" - go chase the deer and try to outsmart them

ZeroJunk
November 20, 2011, 09:42 PM
What's a stand?

It's called "hunting", not "waiting" - go chase the deer and try to outsmart them


I hunt different ways depending on what I feel like, and I can't imagine why anybody would care how I do it anymore than I care about how you do it.

dogrunner
November 20, 2011, 09:52 PM
And yep again, a "real" "still hunter".............."still" huntin' over someone else's dogs................you wanna "still hunt" GO some place where THAT is the preferred and singular permitted method! Grips the devil outta me that the righteous types that put a stand in prime dog hunt territory just have to constantly comment about the fact that 'their' method is somehow morally and ethically the ONLY proper way to do it....

Hurt your feelin's...........sorry about that!

ArcherandShooter
November 20, 2011, 10:04 PM
Re: folks leaving trash... I found such a pile one time in the National forest I hunt, and was all pi$$ed off until I looked at it and realized the idiot responsible had left, among the shot shells and other trash, the CREDIT CARD RECEIPT from the local Academy where he'd bought it all! Off I went to the ranger station where the evidence was gratefully received. Next time I was back there, it had been well cleaned up!

Redlg155
November 20, 2011, 10:17 PM
The land is there for all to hunt. Prime dog hunting territory may be prime still hunting territory as well.

It's wrong if a I have my CB on and I am purposely trying to strategically place my vehicle in a place where I can shoot the same deer your dogs are working. It's not wrong to not want to set up prior to any dog hunters arrival and hunt.

And yet another pet peeve...dog hunters purposefully running dogs through a posted still hunt only area.

Frozen North
November 20, 2011, 10:25 PM
You missed a big one....

Do not use your rifle scope to see who is walking up the trail..... Grrrrrrrr...... NOT COOL!

sixgunner455
November 20, 2011, 10:47 PM
Frozen North - Oh, yeah. Binos, Spotting Scopes, and Range Finders are all fine for looking around the country. Looking through a rifle scope at someone (that is mounted on said rifle) is pointing a RIFLE at someone! It's a telescopic rifle sight, not just a telescope.

Frozen North
November 20, 2011, 10:55 PM
I have had it happen to me, the pucker factor was quite high. I wasn't 100% sure why he was taking aim at me!

I know a DNR officer who says people do it to her all the time. She says she can always find an excuse to write them a ticket after chewing their butts for being an idiot. :D

sKunkT
November 20, 2011, 11:00 PM
well that just about covers it

Liberty1776
November 20, 2011, 11:37 PM
final one? - guys who give kids crap because they (or any one else, actually) shoot a doe. The old mentality of only killing a buck just doesn't work out with modern deer herd population management. A kid should be congratulated no matter what they shoot.

retrieverman
November 21, 2011, 12:03 AM
Do not use your rifle scope to see who is walking up the trail..... Grrrrrrrr...... NOT COOL!


If someone sees me looking at them through my scope, that will be the least of their worries, because the sheriff and/or game warden will be on the way to arrest them for trespassing.:fire:

Frozen North
November 21, 2011, 12:14 AM
Actually, if I had a gun pointed at me, the sheriff would be the least of my worries. My greatest worry would be the gun pointed at me. Do not point a gun at anything you do not intend to destroy... I hope you don't destroy trespassers. Accidents happen and people make mistakes.

And it may be a game warden or deputy you are spotting. You know they go check hunters in the woods, right? They don't like being spotted anymore than I do.

sixgunner455
November 21, 2011, 03:18 AM
Some people have a really interesting reaction to people pointing guns at them.


They point guns back.


Think about that. Even if you are dealing with a trespasser, do you really think that's a good path to go down?


Do not point guns at things you do not intend to put holes in - to destroy, to kill. That includes people who are not currently threatening you, even if they are stinking trespassers, poachers, revenuers (J/K), drug mules, or other such undesirables.

David E
November 21, 2011, 03:23 AM
What would you suggest, wait for them to draw so you can really test your skills?

There is a dynamic called "threat management" where sometimes you do point your gun at people before they point theirs at you. This could well save their life if they're smart, your life if they're not.

jmstevens2
November 21, 2011, 03:44 AM
final one? - guys who give kids crap because they (or any one else, actually) shoot a doe. The old mentality of only killing a buck just doesn't work out with modern deer herd population management. A kid should be congratulated no matter what they shoot.
And let them take the shot. Don't get impatient and shoot it yourself.

41 Mag
November 21, 2011, 07:48 AM
Just a couple of observations,

yes... if you shot at a deer, that doesn't mean you hit it. Don't lie about it and spend an hour under my stand looking for the deer that we both know you missed. When living things are hit with a bullet, they bleed. Own your miss and move on. Then, later, when you're NOT right on top of where I am hunting (I should say WAS before you showed up), work on your shooting and tracking skills.
Last edited by courtgreene; Yesterday at 12:47 AM. Reason: This rant brought to you by the guy who ruined my hunt a week ago. I'll be hunting again Monday, don't show up.

Don't simply think that just because the deer you shot ran off, that you missed it. Sometimes they don't simply dump blood out like the yellow brick road to follow no matter the caliber or broadhead used.

I spent an hour looking for one arrowed last night, only to leave that area and go and find mine, which had been shot 2 hours prior, still alive and ready to rumble. The first one left no blood but the arrow was covered, mine was shot first through the shoulders. He left two drops of blood in a 150yd run to thick woods. Had I not known just where he was standing, and exactly where he ran, and the accuracy of the rifle and load, I "might" have "thought" I had missed. When I eased up to the edge of the woods I found him down but very much alive and as he got up I put another within an inch of the fist and he ran some more. I left him and backed out. I ended up finishing him with my revolver the two hours later when we found him another hundred yard up in the woods. The only other blood we found in the woods was where he had laid the first time.

I see it happen and find deer every year that are within 50yds of where someone shot it but when it ran they thought they missed because it didn't collapse on the spot, or leave blood laying everywhere.


What's a stand?
It's called "hunting", not "waiting" - go chase the deer and try to outsmart them

Stands are for many purposes, the best is bringing a new hunter into the sport so they have an opportunity to observe and learn. They are also just another tactic to use, or apply if the circumstances allow. There are many types ranging from box to brush, but the end uses are all the same.

And yep again, a "real" "still hunter".............."still" huntin' over someone else's dogs................you wanna "still hunt" GO some place where THAT is the preferred and singular permitted method! Grips the devil outta me that the righteous types that put a stand in prime dog hunt territory just have to constantly comment about the fact that 'their' method is somehow morally and ethically the ONLY proper way to do it....

Hurt your feelin's...........sorry about that!

The land is there for all to hunt. Prime dog hunting territory may be prime still hunting territory as well.

It's wrong if a I have my CB on and I am purposely trying to strategically place my vehicle in a place where I can shoot the same deer your dogs are working. It's not wrong to not want to set up prior to any dog hunters arrival and hunt.

And yet another pet peeve...dog hunters purposefully running dogs through a posted still hunt only area.

Glad I don't have to put up with dogs running our deer, but I do with them running hogs. Not all land is for all to hunt, national forest, BLM, yes. Private NO. Nothing ruins a hunt more than to be in prime time and someone's hog dogs come busting through the brush on private property blowing everything out. If I catch the dogs or/or hunters, they get one chance, one warning, the fence and signs means it's private and no trespassing. If you cannot control your dogs, I can. Period. Your choice. Take it up with the sheriff and game wardens.

MCgunner
November 21, 2011, 11:49 AM
I've know folks who without a doubt poach deer and have the nerve mount the head. We all know those who we highly suspect, but can't prove.

I know an outlaw type like that. He's well known by the wardens, too. :D He's been caught shooting off a road. His oldest son did a year iin prison when he was caught in the National Seashore area of south Padre Island by wardens in a helicopter. DOH! They simply followed his ATV tracks to where he had it covered with camo cloth. Dumb criminals of the month. :rolleyes: Hope the deer hunting was worth being Bubba's girl friend for a year.

Glad I don't have to put up with dogs running our deer, but I do with them running hogs. Not all land is for all to hunt, national forest, BLM, yes. Private NO. Nothing ruins a hunt more than to be in prime time and someone's hog dogs come busting through the brush on private property blowing everything out. If I catch the dogs or/or hunters, they get one chance, one warning, the fence and signs means it's private and no trespassing. If you cannot control your dogs, I can. Period. Your choice. Take it up with the sheriff and game warden

I haven't had this problem. Mostly, guys with dogs run hogs at night. If I ever do, well, "that dog looked like a coyote to me. Sorry. In fact, YOU'RE starting to look like a coyote"........ :D

HOWARD J
November 21, 2011, 12:40 PM
I hate the guy that comes into camp with his loaded gun under his
arm & swings the barrel back & forth across your body while mouthing that
he almost shot 20 deer. A guy did that to me one year & I grabbed his gun &
pulled the bolt out of it---handed the pieces back to him & said " don't point a gun at people you don't want to shoot"
Maybe he wanted to shoot me--I don't know.----------:D:D

inclinebench
November 22, 2011, 10:19 AM
If you harvest a deer or some birds on somone elses place, bring them a cleaned bird, or a backstrap. Small gesture, but always appreciated. Also keeps a good name for hunters in general. People who hunt my place, but never make some sort of nice gesture are not really on the priority list of folks I would allow to hunt next season.

I had a pal bring some coffe and homemade bread to eat before the hunt the other morning. That guy is welcome back always. Had another guy hunt two seasons in a row, harvest a deer each year, and not even a "thank you". That guy will never hunt my place again.

Lloyd Smale
November 22, 2011, 02:39 PM
I hate people who judge other people!

stsimons
November 22, 2011, 10:36 PM
for all these reasons I have lately began (mostly successfully) to hike myself into places where the morons and the lazy do not tread. My hunts have been better since leaving the beaten path.

788Ham
November 23, 2011, 12:42 AM
Redlg155,

Uhhhhh, the balled up underwear? Doesn't look like he made it to the camper's stance huh? Toilet paper gut pile, HA, sorry, I haven't stopped laughing yet! Thanks.

Ankeny
November 23, 2011, 08:53 PM
I guess folks just do things differently in different parts of the country. Hunting big game with a dog? Not only is that unethical behavior, it is illegal in my state. Hunting over a feeder? That's just plain wrong. In fact it is illegal in my state. But then again, we do swat elk down while the poor critters are trying to migrate to a feed ground through belly deep snow. :evil:

lizziedog1
November 23, 2011, 09:00 PM
Hunting big game with a dog? Not only is that unethical behavior,

Why?

H&Hhunter
November 23, 2011, 11:28 PM
I guess folks just do things differently in different parts of the country. Hunting big game with a dog? Not only is that unethical behavior, it is illegal in my state.

Unethical?? Give me a FRIGGIN BREAK!! Says who? I am assuming that you've never done it therefore you are an expert on the subject? What state do you live in?

303tom
November 24, 2011, 12:40 AM
Please don't send pictures to a publication claiming your 2 yoa son shot a 11 point with his .270.

Don't claim you ranch raised, genetically seleccted, high fence raised trophy whitetail that you paid several thousand for as a fair chase kill. This actually was tried by a Florida hunter who ended up with criminal charges for entering it in a contest.

I've know folks who without a doubt poach deer and have the nerve mount the head. We all know those who we highly suspect, but can't prove.

If I'm hunting in a block of woods and have been there all morning, I still have the right to shoot any deer that crosses my path..regardless of the fact you arrived much later with your dogs.

If you come across me in my stand, please don't stop and try to have a conversation. Did I see. anything this morning? yep...you.

Please don't drag your deer all over town for hours on end to show your buddies, to include stopping to eat lunch at the diner when it's 70degrees outside.

Any one else need to vent?:D
I got your back on this one & those same people claim to know all there is to know about ammo, firearms, & hunting when it`s clear they don`t know beans.

Zombiphobia
November 24, 2011, 04:00 PM
The land is there for all to hunt. Prime dog hunting territory may be prime still hunting territory as well

It is. And being public land, it's hard to tell if the deer is running ahead of a pack of dogs chasing the deer, or if that deer heard the pack of dogs chasing another deer and decided to take a detour away from the chase... so if I shoot 'your' deer I'm not sorry, they came to me, so if drive hunting and dog chasing is ethical, sportsman-like hunting, so is shooting the deer someone else's dogs were chasing. I'll split the meat and call it it a joint-effort to be fair, though. They can even have any antlers posessed by the deceased animal. And that's my peeve.. someone claiming rights to public land. Get your own place to hunt if you want to call it yours.

Also- chase dogs coming onto private property.. read the signs.. your dogs found on my land WILL be treated as trespassing poachers/strays and fired upon with lethal intent. Your ID tags may or may not be mailed back to you.

-Blocking roads on public lands with vehicle. It's PUBLIC... MOVE IT.
- PPL shooting up the ranges/not using the range but leave their stuff occupying multiple lanes for over an hour( multiple guns placed on multiple lanes so the shooter doesn't have to change targets, just move over a lane and continue)
- dumping animal caracasses that have not been used to their full potential IE- leaving shoulder, neck, ribs etc which are usuable/edible parts but only taking the prime- back-strap, rear quarters and tender loins
-finding hunters IN my stand which is on private property(permission not given) or finding someone's trash around it like multiple cigarette butts and beer cans

Friendly, Don't Fire!
November 24, 2011, 04:10 PM
I was hunting on about 200 acres of private land that is very well posted. Several years ago, this guy comes walking down the middle of the property, telling us he shot a deer up on the mountain and has been following the tracks ever since (from his description, he shot the deer at least 10 miles away).

I told the landowner that what the guy said is really a "low-excuse" to follow that fresh set of tracks probably leading from the NEAREST upper-road, down through the private woods, across 800 yards of private field and crossing a brook, to the lower-road below.:rolleyes:

It doesn't take a surgeon-general to realize that if you shot a deer half a day ago and you have been following the tracks for 10+ miles, you are either lying or you don't know how to hunt, or BOTH of the above!:fire:

We told the guy he can follow the tracks down to the next road and don't bother ever coming on the property again.:cuss:

Ankeny
November 24, 2011, 05:28 PM
Unethical?? Give me a FRIGGIN BREAK!! Says who? I am assuming that you've never done it therefore you are an expert on the subject? What state do you live in? Says who? Let's start with the Wyoming State Legislature and the Game and Fish Commission. If your dog is seen chasing a big game animal, the dog would in all probability become a target of opportunity just like a coyote. Just sayin'...

Even though legal in other states, Wyoming has several laws that were inspired by the sponsor's personal code of ethics, hunting big game with dogs, "party hunting", baiting big game, shooting big game with a 22-250, and so forth. My point is when in Rome... ;)

On a personal level, I have no problem a hunter using techniques that are legal where he/she is hunting. There is enough anti-hunting sentiment without hunters casting stones at each other. That's why the :evil: icon on my first post. Denotes a troll at work. :D

retrieverman
November 24, 2011, 09:07 PM
This may be a repeat, but...

I can't stand to see people post "pet" names for their hunting equipment (i.e. Remmy, Winny, Leupy, shotty, boom stick, smoke pole, etc). I am a member of several hunting/shooting message boards, and I see it on every single one. I think the posters are under the impression that it make them look overly familiar with their equipment, but it makes me think they are total novices or <redacted for NON-THR material>.:scrutiny:

If this steps on anyone's toes, so be it.:neener:

230therapy
November 24, 2011, 10:45 PM
The stories in this thread are amazing (in a bad way).

Please stop shooting from inside the cab of your truck on public land (do what you want on your own.) And Please don't drive your truck, with rifles pointed out the windows down the logging road along the treeline looking for a lucky shot...then back the other way 30 min later... then again 30 min after that.

WOW!

If you cannot control your dogs, I can. Period. Your choice. Take it up with the sheriff and game wardens.

The law (in Virginia) is on the dog hunter's side if the dogs stray out of bounds. You shoot my dog, I will assume you're shooting at me since I stay close to my dog. You really should rethink that policy when other armed men are around.

And people ask me why I don't hunt during deer season.

Frankly, it's just too dangerous with all those hunters acting irresponsibly.

H&Hhunter
November 25, 2011, 12:37 AM
Says who? Let's start with the Wyoming State Legislature and the Game and Fish Commission. If your dog is seen chasing a big game animal, the dog would in all probability become a target of opportunity just like a coyote. Just sayin'...

Ankeny,
Interesting....

The state of Wyoming seems to differ with your ethics...

But I guess you don't consider a Mt Lion to be a Big Game animal? Guessing once again, you've never tried to hunt one? Because if you'd had ever hunted Mt Lion with dogs you'd know that it one of the most physically demanding types of hunting on the planet and gives the term fair chase and ethics a new definition. How often have you been able to "catch" a big game animal and if you weren't happy with it let it go?

Directly from the Wyoming game regulations.

(c) Use of Dogs. Dogs may be used to take mountain lions during the
open season.
(d) After a mountain lion has been pursued, treed, cornered or held at
bay, a properly licensed person shall immediately harvest or release
the mountain lion. No person shall in any manner restrict or hinder
the mountain lion’s ability to escape for the purpose of allowing a
person who was not present at the time the mountain lion was treed
to arrive and take the mountain lion.

Lloyd Smale
November 25, 2011, 06:31 AM
there we go. My real biggest pet peave. People pushing what there idea of hunting ethics on to someone else. If its legal its none of your bussiness how and where and with what someone takes an animal. The anti hunters and anti gun people just love when we tear each other up and call each other unethical. Ive seen something as stupid as a guy who hunts rabbits with a beagle tell me that hunting bear with a dog is unethical!!

lizziedog1
November 25, 2011, 08:40 AM
Hunting with dogs is probably how our ealiest ancestors did it. It is a relationship that goes back eons. Hunting with a scoped, centerfire rifle barely goes back a few generations.

Divide and conqueor is the strategy of the anti crowd. Just ask the poor folks in California.

Most of the anti's are not stupid enough to call for an all out ban on hunting or shooting. They will do in steps. Having us fighting each other really helps them.

I think that if you are hunting big game with a scoped, centerfire rifle, use trail cameras to scout the animals, or use any other device to gain an edge on the game, you really have no room to complain about dog users.

Art Eatman
November 25, 2011, 09:32 AM
I don't see the difference between sitting in a box blind and sitting on the ground all leaned up against a rock or tree. Either way, you had to walk to get there before you could play the sit-and-wait game, pretending to be a cougar. And, after all, terrain and vegetation control the style of one's hunting--not the opinions of those who live in some other state. IOW, ignore ignorant arrogance. :)

DON'T scout an area through your scope. Use binoculars and thus show that you're not covered all over with stupid.

Hunting with dogs has been a normal way of hunting for thousands of years. If you don't like to do that, don't do that. It's not forced upon you.

Yes, it's unfortunate that some who hunt on public land are suffering from terminal dumbosity. Trouble is, their legal rights are equal to yours. Live with it. Don't waste psychic energy in chest-beating macho on the Internet, griping about it.

Robert
November 25, 2011, 09:46 AM
Don't take a nice Bull Elk and take on the back strap and leave the rest.

Loyalist Dave
November 25, 2011, 10:22 AM
Don't walk onto posted land, where your long dead grandad once had permission to hunt, and act like you've the right to hunt that property when you are caught, especially when the current landowner who bought the land before you were born has never met your lazy arse, because you couldn't be bothered to go and ask the man for permission to hunt.

On a hunting show, when you are in an elevated blind, 300+ yards from the deer, with a guide, don't whisper to each other, ..., if the deer can hear you from inside your treehouse at that range, you better be using kryptonite bullets. COME ON it looks stupid when you do that.

Don't call me at 10 p.m. to come and help you track the deer you hit at 50 yards with an arrow, in the last moments of the sun going down at 6 p.m., and the blood trail peeter'd out...., as far as you can tell..., and don't expect met to be out there the next morning to help you either..., I have my own hunting to do.

Even if you can make a lethal 50+ yard bowshot every time..., don't speak about it in public..., as it encourages too many folks who cannot make such a shot to try it, and wound an animal.

Don't take "sound shots" on public land at stuff rustling in the bushes to try and "flush out a deer", you lazy, blind moron.

Don't confuse "ethics" with aesthetics. Baiting, hunting from stands, running dogs, hunting from the back of a horse, using cover scents, hunting in game preserves, are all documented techniques from times before guns existed. As Mr. Eatman pointed out..., you don't have to use any of them.

Run your dogs where it's legal on public lands, that's fine. Good luck, and I hope you fill your tag(s). Love to hear about it when you are done!
Your dog that you don't hunt leaves your property, and goes alone onto other folks private property and f's up somebody's hunting..., apologize and take your dog's carcass away without complaint. The fault was yours alone. You should reimburse the hunter for the round used to dispatch your illegally stray animal.

Public Hunting Lands are Public Hunting lands. I don't give a rat's scrotum that you own a few acres nearby and a horse, and you want to go riding on the access trail on the public HUNTING land that's oooh so pretty, during hunting season, as you jingle jangle jingle and yackety yack with your BFF on her horse, without wearing blaze orange and illegally interfere with my hunting. It would serve such a person right if I dropped the horse out from under them, BUT..., that noble animal that you are endangering is smarter than you, lady, and it's not the horses fault you are a horses backside.

If you are the previously described person, and you like to feed the deer on your property because they are oooh sooo pretty..., that's fine. Don't freak out when you see me loading my harvested deer into my vehicle. Just 'cause you feed 'em doesn't give you property rights to them.

"Murder" is the "Unlawful killing of a human being". If it's lawful, or if it's not a human, don't get in my face with that term.

LD

AKElroy
November 25, 2011, 10:38 AM
Hunting over a feeder? That's just plain wrong.

Yes, we Texans get endless grief over this one. Far more fair to hunt over a known nautral food or water source, or known place of traffic--NOT. You feeder objector types do hunt after scouting signs of animals being present, correct? Congratulations if you have been able to convince yourself that is substantially different.

In my view, a feeder hunter that feeds year round is both financially committed and year-round committed to harvesting the best animals available. I spend a year looking through game pics, studying the movements and timing of the animals in order to make the best of the time in the stand. I know in August the animals I want in November. That may not be your kind of hunting, but it is my kind of fun.

My distances are not chip-shots, my site lines are narrow with most of the natural brush remaining, and most of my animals are taken at intersecting trails nowhere near the feeder from a tower blind.

The best part of the hunt, by far, is the best part for any still hunter. Getting in a stand an hour or 90 minutes before sunrise, hearing animals all around and not knowing what they are, seeing the dark shapes of movement wondering and anticipating, and hearing the world come alive when the sun breaks the horizon. That is the essence of it for me, as I suspect it is for most hunters, feeders or not.

AKElroy
November 25, 2011, 11:08 AM
My #1 gripe? Hunters, let's call them the "Sniperwannabes" that butcher game in horrible fashion in order to attempt some trick shot.

Two cases in point: Guy gut shoots pig that then takes 3 suffering hours find because he is "lining up a double". Awesome.

Same guy, prior week, shoots the bottom jaw off a doe at 200 yards because he was lining up a "head shot". Terrific. 5 hours of looking were waisted on that one as the shot was not terminal, nor did it bleed enough to track. Found the jaw though, right were he said she was standing at the shot. We found her the following week when the buzards showed the way. Bet that was a fun week for the doe that likely died of dehydration being unable to drink.

I far prefer to hunt with folks that believe we owe it to the game, any game, to wait for a clean killing shot.

AKElroy
November 25, 2011, 11:20 AM
OK, one more. My #2 gripe: Hunters that do not practice or properly sight-in their rifles. This year, the woods I hunt have sounded like a shooting range. The stories around the camp fire are filled with ridicule for the guy that missed a doe at 90 yards, and took four shots that all failed to connect. We have had at least two of our six hunters miss multiple times at close distances. The shots I am hearing around our property tell the same story; most initial shots are followed quickly by one or two more.

One of the guys on our lease that shoots with laser precision volunteered my 10 year-old son to sight in their rifles and give them a few pointers on trigger control. I love that guy---

retrieverman
November 25, 2011, 01:12 PM
Sometimes we're just too busy to "confront you like a man" (what have you got against women, anyway?).

Ankeny
November 25, 2011, 07:13 PM
But I guess you don't consider a Mt Lion to be a Big Game animal? That is correct. According to the Wyoming Game and Fish a mountain lion is not a big game animal.

As I said, I don't have a problem with people hunting in a fashion that is appropriate for their conditions and legal where they hunt. Baiting a deer is indeed "wrong" in Wyoming, but it is acceptable and in some cases the only practical way to hunt in other areas.

788Ham
November 25, 2011, 09:17 PM
lizziedog,

Using dogs to hunt is pure BS in my estimation! In this state, if a dog is running the game trails, chasing game or not, he's legal game too. I've shot 3 of them in my hunting experiences over the years. They make just as good of coyote bait and a gut ripped fawn or doe! Let'em run, they get shot.

lizziedog1
November 25, 2011, 10:51 PM
Do your rifles have scopes?

Do wear clothing when you hunt?

Does a vehicle transport you to place of hunting and return you home?

Those are BS hunting methods too.

The anti-hunter, PETA crowd loves people like you.

ZeroJunk
November 26, 2011, 05:19 AM
I don't ever remember being so desparate to kill something that a dog wandering by was going to upset me much.

Davek1977
November 26, 2011, 06:31 AM
Public Hunting Lands are Public Hunting lands. I don't give a rat's scrotum that you own a few acres nearby and a horse, and you want to go riding on the access trail on the public HUNTING land that's oooh so pretty, during hunting season, as you jingle jangle jingle and yackety yack with your BFF on her horse, without wearing blaze orange and illegally interfere with my hunting. It would serve such a person right if I dropped the horse out from under them, BUT..., that noble animal that you are endangering is smarter than you, lady, and it's not the horses fault you are a horses backside.
Keep in mind that very few public "hunting" lands are designated ONLY for hunting. In multi-use areas, those horseback riders have just as much right to be there as you do, whether you think they "ought" to be there or not. Just because you happen to be the in the same areas as someone else utilizing the area doesn't mean they are "illegally interferring with your hunting" unless they are expressly prohibited from being there. Thats the thing about "public" land....the "public" can use it any way they see fit so long as they comply with the law....and last I checked, there'd be very few situations where shooting the horse out from under someone...because they annoyed you...would be justified, and there mere suggestion is far from being high road. If you don't like the challenges that come with hunting public land, don't do iot, but don't presume you have some sort of exclusive right to be there just because you happen to be hunting. When you have the deed in your hand, you can decide who can come and go, and when. Until that point, public land is there for the general public to use, and not everyone will "use" it like you think they OUGHT to use it. While I know regulations vary from place to place, what I said seems to be accurate for your home state http://www.eregulations.com/maryland/hunting/public-hunting-lands/ Reading that, I see nothing that says public hunting land is soley for use by hunters, and not the general public. Threatening to shoot the horse out from under someone...who has just as much right to be there as you do...whether you agree with it or not...is just silly talk, and paints a poor picture of all hunters, even those of us who would never dream of saying such a thing, let alone posting it on the internet for all to see. Thanks for tainting public perception of hunters and hunting. Threatening to kill what is by all measures a minor annoyance in the grand scheme of things just isnt what I want to be about...or want the public thinking I'm about.....next time, think of the impression your words leave on people. Arrogance and ignorance won't get one far in life. The fact you are a POLICE OFFICER advocating such activity, well........just wow. And people wonder where the negative public perception of law enforcement comes from. You know what they say about one apple and all......

Don't call me at 10 p.m. to come and help you track the deer you hit at 50 yards with an arrow, in the last moments of the sun going down at 6 p.m., and the blood trail peeter'd out...., as far as you can tell..., and don't expect met to be out there the next morning to help you either..., I have my own hunting to do. Some friend.....I would be hard pressed to ask anyone for help in locating a big game animal I had wounmded, unless it was a last resort. If I did end up asking someone for help (hasn't happened yet), it would be because i was desperate to recover a wounded animal, rather than let him go to waste. Most of my friends...the hunters among them at the very least, would realize the seriousness of the situation, and nearly all would lend a hand if they were able....regardless if they had "better things to be doing", like their own hunting. Like I said, I wouldn't typically ask, but if I did so, it would be out of sheer need, and true friends tend to typically step up to the plate in such times. If your friends cant count on your help unless its convenient for you....well, in my view, you're not much of a friend. Losing an animal is never fun. ASking your buddy to help you try to prevent such a loss....when he'd rather be hunting himself.... isn't fun either, but beats letting an animal die a slow miserable death, and both parties involved SHOULD recognize that fact

lizziedog1
November 26, 2011, 08:11 AM
Wow, what tolerant people we have here.

We have folks that will shoot dogs and horses if they disagess with their activities.

We do have PETA poster children here, that's for sure!:(

303tom
November 26, 2011, 10:04 AM
Yes hunting with dogs has been a normal way of hunting for thousands of years.[] That is about as tolerant as I am going to get........

Robert
November 26, 2011, 10:57 AM
Using dogs to hunt is pure BS in my estimation!
Then don't do it. No one is forcing you to. You can hunt buck naked with a flint point spear for all I care as long as you are ethical and legal under the laws of the state in which you live. In CO it is perfectly legal to hunt Mtn Lion with dogs. And shooting a dog that is not activly chasing game or interfearing with your hunt is just pure BS in my estimation.

Art Eatman
November 26, 2011, 11:07 AM
Too much macho chest-beating low road stuff to suit me. End of thread.

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