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robinkevin
November 22, 2011, 02:02 PM
How many different brands of ammunition is made in the United States?

Here are the brands, that to my knowledge is made in the USA:
Remington
Hornady
Dakota Ammunition (CORŽBON/Glaser) - http://www.shopcorbon.com/
Precision ONe Ammunition (XTP Defense) - http://www.precisiononeammunition.com/
USA Ammo - http://www.usaammo.com/
Buffalo Bore
Federal
Speer
Black Hills
CCI
Magsafe Inc.


I believe Winchester ammunition is made in the USA but not sure. I bring this topic up as I feel that its important for us to have ammunition manufactures here at home. I read somewhere that most ammunition is actually imported which really made me want to find out just what brands are made in the USA.

I don't know if this is the best place for this thread, please move if it should be elsewhere. Thank you.

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indiandave
November 22, 2011, 02:07 PM
Add Buffalo Bore to your list.

JTQ
November 22, 2011, 04:51 PM
ATK - Federal and Speer ammo

Federal http://www.federalpremium.com/

Speer http://www.speer-ammo.com/

Black Hills Ammo http://www.black-hills.com/

rcmodel
November 22, 2011, 08:01 PM
And CCI. http://www.cci-ammunition.com/

rc

Pyro
November 22, 2011, 08:10 PM
Fiocchi has a plant in Missouri.

MICHAEL T
November 22, 2011, 08:30 PM
Some Winchester made over seas

robinkevin
November 22, 2011, 10:34 PM
Fiocchi has a plant in Missouri.
I also think they get their powder from US sources (according to their website) but more of their ammunition I believe is imported. Anyone have more info on Fiocchi?

Maple_City_Woodsman
November 22, 2011, 10:37 PM
Not to mention hundreds of of small 'commercial reloading' outfits that sell ammo under their own brands.

Pyro
November 22, 2011, 10:45 PM
Magsafe Inc. is located in Florida.

jmstevens2
November 22, 2011, 10:46 PM
Lake City.

Guns4Fun
November 23, 2011, 03:12 AM
Reliant, Lewiston, I'D

www.discountpocketpistols.info

This stuff is very good quality, boxed loose - no trays though.

Super Sneaky Steve
November 23, 2011, 04:08 PM
I don't think the "buy American" thing helps America the most. When you have free trade and Americans buy the best product at the best price America wins.

Might I suggest reading Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics 4th edition for more education on the subject.
http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Economics-4th-Ed-Economy/dp/0465022529/ref=dp_ob_title_bk

Makes a great stocking stuffer!

Wanderling
November 23, 2011, 04:52 PM
I don't think the "buy American" thing helps America the most. When you have free trade and Americans buy the best product at the best price America wins.

Might I suggest reading Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics 4th edition for more education on the subject.
http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Economics-4th-Ed-Economy/dp/0465022529/ref=dp_ob_title_bk

Makes a great stocking stuffer!
Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more.

Maintaining clean air and water, food that doesn't kill you with poisons, developed public infrastructure that's available to everyone, first rate education and medical systems that are accessible to the majority of population, all these things come at a price. And this price is reflected in the price of domestically manufactured goods.

Keeping your workers in prison-like barracks, paying them pennies if paying them at all, destroying the environment around you and treating the whole world as a disposable diaper, you can cut costs pretty significantly, undermine the competition in countries that aren't like yours, and eventually export your way of living there (for they will have to adapt to your conditions to stay competitive).

No, I don't think America wins. In the long run, neither America nor Europe or Japan look like winners in such competition. And I think the developments in the last 30 years have been proving me right.

The lower cost is lower for a reason. The low cost on commodities is more than offset by the high cost of lost jobs and lost way of living, and it seems more and more like the lost American independence. The Chinese are now dictating our policies, since they hold our debt. These cheap goods are costing us dearly.

Super Sneaky Steve
November 23, 2011, 06:16 PM
Maintaining clean air and water, food that doesn't kill you with poisons, developed public infrastructure that's available to everyone, first rate education and medical systems that are accessible to the majority of population, all these things come at a price. And this price is reflected in the price of domestically manufactured goods.

Keeping your workers in prison-like barracks, paying them pennies if paying them at all, destroying the environment around you and treating the whole world as a disposable diaper, you can cut costs pretty significantly, undermine the competition in countries that aren't like yours, and eventually export your way of living there (for they will have to adapt to your conditions to stay competitive).

No, I don't think America wins. In the long run, neither America nor Europe or Japan look like winners in such competition. And I think the developments in the last 30 years have been proving me right.

The lower cost is lower for a reason. The low cost on commodities is more than offset by the high cost of lost jobs and lost way of living, and it seems more and more like the lost American independence. The Chinese are now dictating our policies, since they hold our debt. These cheap goods are costing us dearly.
You're wrong on all levels. Again try reading Dr. Sowell. Or you can check out the Mises Institute on youtube or even Tom Woods does a good job dispelling these economic fallicies.

I don't want to derail this into an economic discussion I just want to be helfpul so you can enlighten yourself on these economic issues. You won't find answers on the nightly news or even our public education system.

Wanderling
November 23, 2011, 07:11 PM
I have a Masters degree in Engineering and took several macroeconomics classes. I have experience working abroad, and have been exposed to different cultures and mentalities. So while I am definitely not an expert, I think I have some basic understanding of both the economic theories and the real world conditions. These theories constantly fail to take into consideration those pesky real world conditions, such as individual greed, lack of rational thinking at all levels, various ways in which companies and whole countries manipulate the markets, difference in the mentality of people in Asia vs Europe vs the US, and so on. The last 30 years saw the biggest loss of average family real wealth in the developed world (not just the US), a very modest growth of family wealth in the developing countries, while a very small percentage of population in both areas got unbelievably rich. Right now, the still-high quality of life in the developed nations is largely debt driven. For the vast majority of people in the 3rd world / fast developing countries like China and Brazil, the quality of life remained very low. The transfer of wealth was from many to the few. And no, I am not an OWS'er, not even remotely left leaning. I just see things the way they are.

As to the Mises institute, I think I know what you're referring to. The Libertarians' biggest shortcoming is, they seem to not understand that there can be no power vacuum. If you get the government out of all affairs, someone else will step in (corporations, religious organizations, gangs, whatever). Someone strong enough and organized enough to dictate their will to "free" disorganized individuals. That someone will not be elected by these individuals. I'd rather try to fix our pathetically dysfunctional government system that we have at least the slight chance of influencing. Here's my favorite quote on the subject: "Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time".

I agree though, this is not the right forum for this discussion. Have a happy and safe Thanksgiving !

Guns4Fun
November 24, 2011, 02:10 AM
This topic has just evolved into something of interest! What we have now is a system of disposable goods created from petroleum products, and ultimately delivered using petroleum products. The next time you're at Wal-Mart, pay a visit to the clearance section - the area where they try and dump the various fancy colored storage cubes, fancy thick plastic cups, cell phone cases, lithium batteries for cell phones no longer in production, plastic lighthouses and hobbit figurines, all manner of junk. It's said that up to 90% of the stuff produced in China and shipped over here ends up in a landfill within six months!

Now think of how that stuff all got made; a collaboration between an American corporation's think-tank and a Chinese manufacturer that together figured a way to milk the dumb American public. A good example: one Christmas I received from a poorish relative a bathroom toiletry set, you know, the tumbler, toothbrush holder, and soap dispenser. I looked at it and knew there was no way I would use it, much less find room for it on my bathroom counter and she in her ignorance said, "look, it's the Jumbo size!"

Thanks, but no thanks. Anyway, it immediately went to the landfill - along with everyone else's copy throughout the United States. The point remains, however, a waste of natural resources occurred; in this case we can assume Oil.

It happened somewhat like this: corporation study indicates that a factory established in China at the cost of x barrels of Oil, to make good at the rate of y barrels of Oil, to be shipped to the American consumer at z barrels of Oil, placed on display in a big box store will profit the Shareholder a certain amount of money - as long as the American lemmings are taught to be dumb enough to be dazzled by the plastic gimmickry!

It's the Oil that drives the economy, you see. Now that Oil is becoming more scarce (expect that in ten years, the only time most people will drive will be for emergencies) the cost of commodities will continue to rise as they recently have begun to. See this article; unfortunately the original referenced is unavailable to the public but its gist is contained herein:
http://www.businessinsider.com/jeremy-grantham-commodity-prices-2011-6?op=1

Recently, Bethlehem Steel has begun producing again since it's become less expensive to pay the higher American wages than it is to ship the raw materials (iron ore, etc.) to China and the steel back home - it is this kind of impact the increasing scarcity of Oil will have. Electronic goods, and other high priced goods that take less room on container ships will of course be profitable to ship, but high tonnage items are now prohibitively expensive.

Don't think for a moment that Shale oil, and the other pie in the sky notions will overcome the overall global decline that we're faced with in the years to come. Some pundits are already declaring that we've entered a 4% global depletion rate - that means that the 80 million barrels per day of Oil will in 20 years be 40 million barrels per day, give or take. That's HALF of what's being produced today - who's going to be the one missing out?

Will it be you? Me? Not right away, we'll let those Somalis hit the ditch first I'm sure.

mljdeckard
November 24, 2011, 02:30 AM
Double-Tap is in Cedar City, Utah.

Water-Man
November 24, 2011, 02:59 AM
StarsandStripesAmmo.com

gunlaw
November 24, 2011, 10:57 AM
Do my handloads count?:D

rodinal220
November 24, 2011, 11:17 AM
Hunting Shack Munitions(HSM) from the Big Sky Country.

http://thehuntingshack.com/

Mr.Blue
November 24, 2011, 05:27 PM
Isn't MagSafe Brazilian? I wouldn't buy that crap. American ammo is the best in the world.

HPR in AZ is American, as is Bitterroot Valley.

mljdeckard
November 25, 2011, 04:39 PM
And I guess I'll add that Barnes Bullets are made in Mona, UT.

gofastman
November 25, 2011, 09:19 PM
SwampFox Ammo

DCoke
November 25, 2011, 10:46 PM
Not sure about MagSafe, but MagTech is Brazilian made

Mr.Blue
November 26, 2011, 12:08 AM
I meant MagTech. Sorry.

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