150 or 165 grains in .308 Win for deer?


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Craiger12
November 25, 2011, 08:05 PM
Which would you choose or which do you prefer when using .308 Win for deer hunting?

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Freedom_fighter_in_IL
November 25, 2011, 08:17 PM
Whichever one is most accurate in your rifle. Either one will put a white tail in your truck.

rcmodel
November 25, 2011, 08:21 PM
The 165 shoots flatter, hits harder, and drifts less in the wind at long range.

So, I'd pick that one right there.

At least as long as your rifle groups 165's at least as well as it groups 150's.
And it probably will.

rc

Craiger12
November 25, 2011, 08:37 PM
I realize the more accurate load will be best, so I suppose the question is theoretical.

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
November 25, 2011, 08:43 PM
Well like I said then, either one will effectively put down a deer with little problem. Now granted, as RC pointed out, you will increase your effective range a LITTLE with the 165 but in reality, where that range difference is a factor, is well beyond what any ethical hunter should be taking a shot in the first place. From 400 to 0 yards, the difference is pretty much moot. As long as they are accurate out of your barrel, then the main concern should be placement and bullet construction.

RhinoDefense
November 25, 2011, 09:37 PM
I use 150gr bullets in the .308 for deer.

If you're a handloader, Hornady's #3031 150gr Soft Point Flat Base is an excellent bullet.

DM~
November 25, 2011, 10:01 PM
165's DO penetrate a little deeper, but you don't need that for rib shots on deer.

DM

Art Eatman
November 25, 2011, 10:33 PM
I meddled around a bit with 165s in my '06, but I didn't see any gain. Bambi drops dead just as quickly from 150s.

Screamin'Eagle
November 26, 2011, 01:02 AM
I shot Federal 150gr Power Shoks this year in my Remington 700 in 308. $12/box of 20 here in MN. Both deer I got dropped instantly. 75-100yd shots. I would focus more on determining what your gun likes more and then secondly shot placement. Like others have said, if you hit them in the correct places, they are gonna drop.

35 Whelen
November 26, 2011, 03:08 AM
I've killed quite a few deer with my little .308 and while in the beginning I experimented with 165's, I settled on 150gr. Core-Lokt's at a little over 2700 fps. I've no idea how many deer and hogs have have fallen to this load, but certainly a couple o' dozen. This bullet has never failed me.

35W

Rob96
November 26, 2011, 05:56 AM
This is hte first year that I am using my Rem 700 ADL Varmint in 308 for deer. I am using 165 Gamekings loaded over 45grs of RL-15. I am using this load as it mirrors my bench load using 168gr Matchkings.

interlock
November 26, 2011, 08:43 AM
both are excellant. 165 or 150 gr soft point from a .308 win will kill deer all day long

303tom
November 26, 2011, 08:56 AM
Here is what I use .....

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/248766/remington-express-ammunition-308-winchester-150-grain-core-lokt-pointed-soft-point-box-of-20

Craiger12
November 26, 2011, 10:56 AM
I'm very interested in Hornady's SST rounds.

MCgunner
November 26, 2011, 11:04 AM
I prefer 150 Nosler BT because it's accurate in MY gun. YMMV. Many bullets from 150 to 165 are applicable. Deer down here ain't big, but the hogs can be pretty thick. I used to load a 140 barnes for hogs, but hell, after shooting the 150 Nosler, I don't think the barnes is necessary even on a big hog. JMHO, though. The BT has plenty of penetration, though.

BTW, I'm a handloader. I've never shot any factory ammo in this caliber. My gun has never fired a factory round.

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
November 26, 2011, 11:38 AM
Craiger, The SST is a fine bullet. Used them for quite a while until I had a couple of "blowups" at close range. I went to the Interlocks and Interbonds and have not had a problem since. The Locks and Bonds are just a little tougher and hold up a little better at those close range bone impacts. Most have never had a problem with them, and for the most part, neither did I. I still use them in a couple of my other rifles because the are the most accurate out of those particular barrels. I just know better now than to take a 25 yard shot with them out of a 7mm.08 or a .308. Just a little too fast for them.

T.R.
November 26, 2011, 12:14 PM
These two northern California bucks were felled where they stood by 150 grain bullets. One shot each and they never knew what hit 'em!

TR

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/Napamorning.jpg

unklechuckles19
November 26, 2011, 02:17 PM
I shoot 150's out of my Savage 308 and have killed two respectable bucks with this setup. I never ventured to the 165's because my gun shot the 150's just fine.

H&Hhunter
November 26, 2011, 02:46 PM
150's vs 165's in either a .308 or a .30-06 on deer sized animals is a total non issue. It's apples to apples. Honey Crisp vs Granny Smith. I've killed deer with a 150 gr bullets 165 gr bullets and 180 gr bullets out of both calibers and I can't tell a lick of difference.

If I was hunting bull elk and up I'd go heavier though it isn't a necessity, more of a comfort factor than anything.

35 Whelen
November 26, 2011, 03:04 PM
Craiger, The SST is a fine bullet. Used them for quite a while until I had a couple of "blowups" at close range.


I used to use Ballistic Tips in my 257 AI but never was impressed with penetration. To me the plastic pointed bullets, unless they have a heavy jacket, are as much as hollowpoints performance-wise.

Switched to Core-Lokt's in the 257 and my little .308 Scout and haven't looked back since.

35W

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
November 26, 2011, 05:50 PM
35 Whelen, The SST's actually do have a pretty thick jacket compared to most of the other Ballistic Tip bullet designs. They are a controlled expansion type bullet. But again, at the velocities that are attained in my 7mm.08 and my .308 loads, close range shots (under 50 to 75 yards) are still just a little too fast for the design. Not saying they will ALWAYS blow up as I have had great performance from them on many deer and hogs. But both times I did have a problem on deer, they blew up right on the "point" of the shoulder. Still recovered the deer with some tracking. Deer are pretty easy to track with a leg blown almost off at the shoulder :)

retrieverman
November 26, 2011, 08:59 PM
150 gr vs 165 gr in a 308 is splitting hairs. Pick one, sight in, and go hunting.:rolleyes:

ZeroJunk
November 26, 2011, 11:53 PM
I have mostly used 165's, but I can't remember why.

jmr40
November 27, 2011, 07:31 AM
Either is adequate. As a general rule I've found 165's to shoot more accurately in my 30-06 rifles, so I tend to use that weight more often in those. I cannot detect any difference in accuracy between 165's or 150's in MY 308 rifles so I tend to load and shoot 150's in the 308's I own. It really comes down to what shoots best in YOUR gun.

gunner69
November 27, 2011, 03:16 PM
Toss of the coin, both work although I like the heavier bullets. My choice is the 168gr too, it does wonders in both my .308 and 30-06.

HKGuns
November 27, 2011, 04:31 PM
I use Hornady SST 150's in my .308 Sako. Fantastic rounds and my Sako really shoots them well. I figure it is more than enough bullet for deer. I suppose 165's would work too though.

I think Freedom Fighter makes a really good point on the SST rounds and closer ranges. Last season I shot a deer at around 75 yards and there were two exit wounds and I did about 100 feet of easy tracking with a good blood trail. A deer taken this year at 150 yards dropped dead in its tracks.

primape
November 28, 2011, 09:32 AM
I use 150 Nosler BT and IMR 4064 for a deer hunting round in my 308 LTR. It is all I need and is very accurate. Drops most in their tracks and the ones that do run go less than 20 yds.

Skyshot
November 28, 2011, 07:21 PM
I use 150 gr. Accubonds. It seems that a 150gr bullet will kill more quickly than the 165's, I have used both but the 150's put deer down quicker IMO. I've taken two whitetails so far this season with my .308, Almost Identical shots and almost same size bucks. 1st shot was a 3 1/2 year old 8 pt. and the shot was a 50 yard broadside double lung hit. The buck ran about 40 yards and expired. The second shot was a 3 1/2 year old 8pt. and a 30 yard slightly quartering to shot that hit the left front shoulder and exited right rib cage, that one dropped in his tracks. Both deer field dressed around 150 lbs. Both exit holes were about the size of a quarter. The deer I've shot in the past with 165 grn bullets seem to be runners which makes me think that the 165's might be to much bullet for whitetails not transfering the energy in the animal. I think the 165's may be more suited better for bears and elk. But that's my opinion, I'm sure thier will alot that disagree with that.

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
November 28, 2011, 07:50 PM
Nope Sky I actually kind of agree with that. I too believe the 165's are just a smidge too much for white-tail. Granted I have seen many dropped from them. But in truth, the 150 is about the perfect bullet weight for white-tail out of a .308 cartridge.

Lloyd Smale
November 29, 2011, 07:02 AM
ive hunted with 150s in the 308 and 06 for 35 years and never found them lacking in any way. That said dad uses 165 sierras in his blr 308 and theyve worked just fine for him. Ive used 165 sierras and bts in the 300 win mag for years too and contrary to what some internet experts will tell you they work just fine the mag too.

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