[351 WINCHESTER]

I just got back from the range to ring out my new gen 3 19. I had a lot of failures to eject and I got hit by a bunch of brass in my face/forehead. I had 4 different brands of ammo and all choked badly. No limpwrister here. Poor showing for Glock perfection imho.

They will be hearing from me Monday.

[Sebastian the Ibis]

How are your mag springs? Weak springs always caused the fte's for me.

[jfrey]

Join the club. There seems to be a lot of us getting banged in the head with brass lately. It seems to be an extractor issue Glock hasn't chosen to address yet.

[Mainsail]

Would that be an extractor issue or an ejector issue?

[mes228]

Thats a sad darn thing. I've had approx. 20 or so Glocks, all Gen 3. I have 3 keepers that I know some have had several thousand rounds factory ammo. Not one failure have I ever experienced with any Glock. What in the heck were they thinking to change anything? The Glock 19 & 23 were the Michelangelo's and Davinchi of pistoldom. Sad, sad, sad and ignorant too. I was told by a Glock Armorer that Glocks patents had expired and they changed some things trying to be different. Don't know if thats true but something has apparently changed. Guess I'll keep the 3 I currently own.

[ChCx2744]

My 3rd gen G19 has about 500 rounds through it so far, no problems. Maybe you just got a lemon. Then again, mine only has 500 rounds through it, so I guess I can't really say it's flawless until I get to the 1,000 mark. I don't know...

[Jim Watson]

Years ago, I had one of the first Gen 2 G19s in town (I don't think there is a Gen 1 G19). It, too had extraction/ejection troubles and threw empties at my head.
They tinkered with it, replaced the extractor and ejector along with the dead tritium lamps, and told me to use good ammo like the WWB they checked it out with.
I promptly sold my "freshly factory serviced" G19 and moved on.

On the other hand, my Gen 1 G17 is trouble free. I think there is a lot to be said in favor of sticking to the base design rather than something they have had time to screw up.

[F-111 John]

Read this long thread about SGTDuffman's experience with a Gen 4 Glock 19 hitting him in the forehead with brass, and his back-and-forth with Glock over it.

In the end, Glock put a redesigned ejector in his pistol that solved the problem.

[jackpinesavages]

No problems with my Glocks, particularly the G19. Wear safety glasses when shooting. YMMV

[Blind Bat]

Poor ejection is generally caused by ammo that is too weak, a recoil spring that is too heavy or an ejector with the in correct geometry.

Call Glock and ask them to send you a new recoil spring assembly and ejector. That should solve your problems.

[Wanderling]

Seems to be a lot of issues with Gen 4 Glocks and some of the newer Gen 3, particularly G19s, if you browse through Glocktalk.

My Gen 3G 17 threw an empty brass at my forehead twice in about 400-500 rds of 115 gr plinking ammo. So I don't see this as an issue. It is fairly new (test fired in Aug 11).

Try calling Glocks & see if they can send you a replacement ejector, having to send gun to them is PITA.

[351 WINCHESTER]

New pistol, new magazines, 4 different brands of ammo. The hotter the ammo the worse the problem. I heard that later gen 3's had issues with the ejector part no. 336, but apparently Glock can't or won't install a correct ejector from another member's post? Will call them Monday and keep everyone advised.

I'm not having brass hit me in the head. If Glock won't make it right I'll just stick to my Browning.

[W.E.G.]

Trade it for a 1911.

[Mainsail]

Trade it for a 1911.
Yeah, because those never have problems. :rolleyes:

[351 WINCHESTER]

I'm going to give Glock a chance to fix it or replace it with one that works. I'm not going to trade it until it's fixed. That would not be right.

[miles1]

I'm going to give Glock a chance to fix it or replace it with one that works. I'm not going to trade it until it's fixed. That would not be right.
Just curious....what will you decide to get in its place?XDc?smith M&Pc?

[smitty704]

The new ejector is the answer. Glock will pay for shipping both ways, they are replacing the old defective ejectors. I had the same issues as you, with my gen 3 G19 hitting me in the face with brass and having frequent stovepipes. I sent it to them with one of their FedEx prepaid labels and they sent it back a couple weeks later with a sheet saying it was now to factory spec.(BS)

It was ok for about 500 rounds or so and it all started happening again. So what I did was send it back to them with another FedEx prepaid label and I told them to keep it and give me a full refund, or replace it with a gen 4 G19 with the new ejector and RSA, and they agreed to do so. It took around 3 weeks for them to get me my Gen 4 19, and they sent it straight to my house, no FFL's or anything.

If I were you, DO NOT SELL IT!!! Glock already has your money, so make them replace it for one that actually works. They owe you a fully functioning pistol, and I assure you, they will exchange it if you insist.

**EDIT** Also, Glock will not install the new ejector in Gen 3's, only in the gen 4's. They say it will not fit, but that has been proved to be wrong, but they still refuse to do it. Glock could not fix my gen 3, this is why they replaced it.

Here she is. I have my original 2 mags and they sent the gen 4 with 3, so now I have 5 mags and a PERFECT pistol! It has been flawless.
http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/4646/gen4bodyshot.jpg

[tiro6]

^what smitty said. bought an older gen 4 glock 19 thats been nothing but problems and lots of parts replacements in it to make it work well. replaced the recoil spring (newest is 0-4-3, glock is doing a RSA switch program btw), switched out the ejector, put in a different extractor and now its working right. its a pain, but its worth it in the end.

[Plan2Live]

A problem with a Glock? Say it isn't so! Must not have been run over by a tank or thrown down the throat of a volcano yet.

[351 WINCHESTER]

I assure ya'll that Glock will make it right. I have no plans on selling the pistol unless Glock wants to give me a full refund (assuming they won't install a proper ejector and possibly the extractor). I bought a Glock because they had so many loyal owners. I figured my chances of getting a good one were very good and now I see that they knew the problems sometime ago. They should have issued a recall, but that would have put a dent in their reputation. That's what happens when a mfg. makes a good product and they have trouble keeping up with demand, they start outsourcing parts and q/c goes to hell.

My Browning has never malfunctioned. It doesn't care if it's fed reloads, lead or +P+.

[michiganfan]

G 19 3rd. Been nothing but perfect.

[Hit_Factor]

Years ago, (I don't think there is a Gen 1 G19).

Yes, there are Gen 1 G19's. In the beginning Gaston said "Let there be 17's and 19's" that's how it all started.

[Blackhawk30]

No problem with Glo9cks here.All of mine are Gen 3 or earlier.
Gen 1 19's were cut down 17's.Not many were made.
Glocks in general tend to toss brass at your forehead.I were a ball cap and ballixstic eyewear.

[Hit_Factor]

Gen 1 19's were cut down 17's.

I don't believe this is correct. I have been a Glock armorer since they were first introduced in the eighties.

[voyager4520]

Welcome to the club. My Gen3 G27 shoots brass every which direction too, luckily it hasn't malfunctioned though. From what I can tell, Glock didn't machine the slide correctly, the cut-out for the extractor is too far forward toward the muzzle so the extractor isn't holding the spent casing to the breech face. The spent casing instead drops to the level of the magazine before the ejector hits, and when the ejector hits, it pivots right and the case mouth digs into the slide just below the ejection port opening, then the casing pivots upward and the case rim comes out from under the extractor claw early. Then the casing bounces around in the ejection port any number of ways before finally clearing the ejection port or getting caught in it as the slide returns forward.

Glock is addressing the issue in Gen4's with a new ejector which raises the case mouth of the spent casing earlier during ejection. However recent production Gen3's have the same problem and Glock won't install the new ejector into Gen3's. Most people who've had this problem with a Gen3 have had to pay to ship the gun to Glock, Glock sends it back to them shortly saying "Tested, in spec" and the gun wasn't fixed. So not only was the gun not fixed, the customers threw $60+ in the trash. smitty704 returned his Gen3 G19 twice and finally convinced the Warranty Department Manager to replace it with a Gen4 G19 which has the new ejector, his new Gen4 works flawlessly. He and another person originally sent their Gen3 G19's back, Glock replaced the extractor, the guns ejected fine for ~700 rounds then started throwing brass in their faces again.

Glock is slipping these days. I own two Glocks, one of them was made in 2004 and it functions flawlessly. The other, my G27, was made in 2009 and with the way it ejects and mangles the brass I just can't trust it. So far my experience with Glock has been 1 hit/1 miss. I don't think it's coincidence that most of the problems with Glock pistols have been reported only in recent years.

As to why they won't use the new ejector in Gen3's, what I think is that they don't mind fixing the problem in a new product for the sake of the reputation of that product, the Gen4. But they don't want to replace the same part in every existing pistol of previous Generations because it'll cost too much. A lot of the changes Glock has made over the past few years, particularly the cheaper processes used for making extractors, locking blocks, and firing pins, show that they're willing to sacrifice quality for the smallest fraction of a penny in savings. They're not about to replace a part in every gun they've ever made. One person on another forum put the new ejector into a Gen3 trigger housing to use in his Gen3 G34 which has the erratic ejection problem, not only did the new ejector work in the Gen3, it fixed the ejection problem.

The thing is though, they don't need to replace the ejector in every Glock ever made. Most Glocks work fine with the old ejector, it's only the ones with slides that weren't machined correctly that need the new ejector. Maybe Glock doesn't want to admit by selectively replacing the ejector in such a fashion that their quality control and manufacturing tolerances aren't what customers would expect from a pistol you're supposed to trust your life with.

[XD 45acp]

Hmmm, I find this interesting, as Glock 19's are usually pretty darn reliable. I do figure that Glock will make it right. My nephew carries a G19 gen2, and he has beat the holy hell out of it, and it does good.

[GLOOB]

From what I can tell, Glock didn't machine the slide correctly, the cut-out for the extractor is too far forward toward the muzzle so the extractor isn't holding the spent casing to the breech face.
That's interesting. I noticed a degree of looseness well before the Gen4's came out. My G21 extractor holds the brass tight. G27 kinda loose. 3rd gen G19, plenty o air between the case head and breech. The ejected brass follows the same progression. G21 throws 'em in a pile. G27, somewhat messy. G19, all over the neighborhood.

But I've never had one come back at my face, and it's only choked once or twice (on weak cast reloads).

FWIW, the 3rd gen 40SW extractor I have in my G27 appears to hold the brass tighter than the replacement 3rd gen G19/17 extractor I (misguidedly) bought for a conversion. Otherwise, it appears identical. I wonder if buying a 40SW extractor might solve the problem for $20 bucks, instead of having to ship the gun back to Glock.

If the extractor is too tight, you may get an issue with feeding, though. I always thought the Glock 9mm extractor was super loose to aid in this regard. Is it really just mine? (and other people having actual issues?) People have been complaining about Glocks being messy with the brass forever and a year. But perhaps their machining tolerances aren't as tight as I thought?

[voyager4520]

Using a .40SW extractor in your 9mm which has erratic ejection may well help the ejection, many people have done it with success. When the LoneWolf extractors were first released, LWD mislabeled their extractors and the 9mm and .40 extractors were mixed up with each other. Many people had success with LoneWolf extractors fixing their ejection in 9mm Glocks because they were actually using .40 extractors. I know of two other people who intentionally put factory .40 extractors in their 9mm Glocks and it fixed their ejection.

The .40 extractor has a 5 degree tilt to the claw which acts to raise the case mouth of the spent casing earlier during ejection, helping the case mouth to clear the bottom of the ejection port. The .40 extractor will also hold the case rim slightly tighter to the breech face. 9mm extractors have a parallel claw and leave more of a gap between the claw and the breech face.

The new ejector Glock is using in Gen4's, stamped 30274 for 9mm and 28926 for .40, has a rearward tilt to the face of the ejector which helps raise the case mouth of the spent casing earlier during ejection, the same effect that the 5 degree claw on a .40 extractor has.

With my Gen3 G27 I plan to wait until the newest Gen4 trigger housings sold by online retailers have the new ejector in them, and I'm going to put that ejector into a Gen3 trigger housing to use in my Gen3 G27. One person on another forum has already tried this with his Gen3 G34 and it fixed the ejection in that gun.

[ChCx2744]

Seems to be a lot of issues with Gen 4 Glocks and some of the newer Gen 3, particularly G19s, if you browse through Glocktalk.

I have one of those "newer" gen 3 G19s. Could you so kindly as to point out those topics on Glock Talk for me or care to elaborate? I am curious to know what these problems are, I'm slightly worried.

[Hit_Factor]

I'm slightly worried.

If you are not having any issues with your G19, don't worry. These threads fill up with stories about problems a friend of this guy I read about on the internet said...

[351 WINCHESTER]

I agree if you are not having issues don't worry. I only stated that I am having issues, my pistol has been received by glock and hopefully they will fix the problems, replace it with a new one that works or give me a full refund.

I don't start internet "stories" nor do I endorse them. The facts stand as they are.

[ChCx2744]

So for you "problem 3rd gen G19" owners, any update?

[Apocalypse-Now]

put in a new extractor. it's cheaper and much less of a headache than dealing with glock's customer service.

[voyager4520]

Glock is now using the 30274 9mm and 28926 .40 ejectors in Gen3's, but they will not send the ejector to someone who's not an Armorer. So you either have to ask a local Armorer to order the part for you and install it, or send the gun to Glock to have them replace the ejector.

I called them this morning, twice, to see if they'd send me the 28926 ejector for my Gen3 G27 and they said that they will install the new ejector in Gen3's but they won't send the ejector to me because I'm not an Armorer. And because I'd have to drive like 70 miles to a Fedex location that would accept a firearm and I don't know any Armorers in my area I just have to wait until online retailers begin selling the new ejector.

[rcmodel]

Glock parts, including ejectors:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=0/sid=858/schematicsdetail/Models-17-39

rc

[voyager4520]

Glock parts, including ejectors:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=0/sid=858/schematicsdetail/Models-17-39

rc
Those trigger housings all have the old ejectors in them, currently the only source for the new 30274 9mm and 28926 .40 ejectors is directly from Glock Inc.

[rcmodel]

Whats wrong with the old ejectors?

I still have the original one in my Glock 23 I bought new in 1995.

Don't tell me they Perfected Perfection!

rc

[voyager4520]

The old ejectors don't have anything wrong with them, there's another problem in a small percentage of recent production Glocks which causes the ejection problems and the new ejectors change ejection enough to fix the problem. The cause of the problem is open to speculation.

I've tried replacing my extractor and trigger housing w/ejector and the extractor did make a small difference, but the gun still ejects erratically. From what I can see comparing the spent casings from my G23 which ejects fine and my G27 which has erratic ejection, in the G27 the extractor isn't holding the rim of the casing to the breech face so the casing is allowed to turn and drop lower before the ejector hits it. The casing pivots right and scrapes against the slide at the case mouth just below the ejection port opening, then pivots upward and the rim comes out from under the extractor claw early, then the casing bounces around in the ejection port any number of ways. The new ejector has a rearward tilt to the face of it which raises the case mouth of the casing earlier during ejection, plus the face of the ejector is taller from top to bottom so that no matter how far down the casing drops - the ejector will act on it in the same manner.

My own personal theory as to the cause is that the cut-out in the slide for the extractor is machined too far forward toward the muzzle so the extractor isn't holding the rim of the casing to the breech face. Using the same extractor in the slides of both of my guns with a spent casing that has the primer punched out and the spent casing manually pushed against the breech face, I can see that there's more of the gap between the extractor claw and breech face in the G27 slide.

I've tried different 1882(old) ejectors and .40 LCI and non-LCI extractors with the appropriate spring loaded bearings and nothing has fixed it. The non-LCI 15 degree .40 extractor and non-LCI spring loaded bearing made ejection a little bit better but ejection is still erratic.

SGT Duffman, a member of this forum, was one of the first people to receive the new 30274 9mm ejectors. He had also tried an older LCI 9mm extractor and it didn't fix the ejection, only the new ejector fixed the ejection for him. Of everyone who had the ejection problem and got the new ejector installed in their gun, 100% report that the new ejector fixed the problem.

[GLOOB]

I wouldn't mind trying this out, myself. My guess is Glock won't release this part to retailers until stocks of current ejectors are dried up. Else they'll have a heck of a lot of retailers looking to return the old parts that no longer sell.